GC: Are men entitled to male-only spaces?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

For example, if you're talking about a very niche hobby—like let's say there's a men's only model helicopter flying club—an obviously spurious thing, and so niche that there's not enough people to independently form an equivalent women's club, then I would question that.

I disagree. If there are coed helicopter flying clubs that women can access I don’t think it’s unfair for there to be a men’s only club. All you need is two or three women to form a women’s only club. If there just isn’t one that shouldn’t mean men who want their own club can’t have it. Those types of things (niche hobbies or clubs for niche hobbies) aren’t really rights, for us to say men can’t make their own niche clubs if women don’t have an equivalent.

[–]slushpilot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If there are coed helicopter flying clubs that women can access

That's exactly what I am saying though. The if means something. What if there aren't any, and the only one in your area says "men only"?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Honestly? Then form a woman’s only/coed club.

It’s a club. It’s not a necessity. And you only need a few people to make the group. It’s as simple as finding other people (of either sex or your own) who like flying helicopters (or whatever the club is for) and want to do it with you.

If women make a club for just women, do transwomen/any men get to join if there isn’t a coed one or one for only men?

GC would say no, (at least most of us). So I’m keeping that same energy.

Just like I ask TW why they want to access spaces where they aren’t welcome/wanted- why would a woman force her way into a men’s only club?

Even if there is no coed/female only- it’s just a club, not the actual ability to learn and practice and fly- oh well, sucks you can’t join the boys club but you can still enjoy your hobby and could still enjoy that same hobby with friends if you brought them along (in other words- made your own club).

If you make a club, you get to decide who is in it. If you want to be in a club and there isn’t one that works for you- make one. Especially if it’s something that’s just for a hobby.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I picked a ridiculous hobby like model helicopters as a stand-in for something that you're not likely to find very many people interested in: not enough for it to make sense to form 2 separate and exclusive clubs.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn’t matter what the example is- it’s still a club. Anyone can form their own club. You can substitute whatever less ridiculous hobby, what I said would still be my response.

Wanting a specific demographic and making a group for that demographic is enough reason to form however many groups as anyone wants to form. Whether or not the public approves or denounces the existence of the group is a different thing- the specific group can still exist, the people who feel some type of way can boycott (which wouldn’t matter), protest (likely wouldn’t matter), get over it, or form a club that includes them. Again, why would a woman want to force her way into a men’s club when she can invite people to her own club? There wouldn’t have been an all men’s club until some man or men made it. She can make a club herself. Again again- we tell transwomen to make their own and advocate for their own, why can’t a woman make her own club?