GC: What are "sex-based" rights?

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    [–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    So you scoured the internet and were only able to find one example of a transman being treated as a man even when their birth sex was known. All your other examples either don’t support the idea that 'gender presentation' trumps actual sex in regards to how someone is treated or were not applicable, and even you accidentally thought of transmen as women and had to correct yourself—I think that says it all.

    There are other examples of trans men being treated as men when their birth sex was known. For instance, men who continue working at the same place after transition report being treated like men.

    You are shifting the goalposts (you made a claim about murder), and I don’t know what experiences ‘[exclusive] to trans and GNC people’ are supposed to say about the current subject anyway.

    I'm saying visibly trans women and passing trans women are not treated like men.

    The majority of the evidence that you pulled from personal testimonies you found on the internet does not support your position, though.

    I pulled out evidence from reputable news sources and they interviewed multiple actual trans men. Most of my information about trans men comes from actual trans men. I'm listening to them.

    Anyway, where do GCs get their evidence about trans men? Everything they say about trans men contradict what actual trans men say.

    So I looked into your source—the study was promoted specifically to people who currently identify as trans, through trans activist organisations. It is not representative of the population of people who identified as trans at any point in their lives. That’s like when researchers ‘proved’ bisexuality in men didn’t exist by recruiting participants for their study on male bisexuality from the gay community specifically. You need to raise your standard of evidence.

    Fair point, but I don't think detransition is as common as GCs make it out to be. I also don't think most people regret their transition. I do wish we were more open to studying detransition, and what factors lead people to regret their choice or what people shouldn't transition.

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    For instance, men who continue working at the same place after transition report being treated like men.

    Being treated as a man is being treated as being an adult human biological male. I doubt the coworkers starting advising the man-identifying female to start using condoms to prevent impregnating female sexual partners or said birth control wouldn’t be needed in case this man-identifying female was into males. They probably didn’t imagine this man-identifying female anatomically different from the man-identifying female’s actual anatomy. Either the coworkers were biased toward biological females who weren't taking testosterone, or in case this man-identifying female started dressing or acting differently after taking testosterone then the treatment difference was probably based on that. Being treated as a masculine or masculinized female is not the same thing as being treated as biological male, which is what we refer to with being treated as a man.

    I'm saying visibly trans women and passing trans women are not treated like men.

    Visibly male woman-identifying males are treated as the subgroup of men (adult human biological males) they are. Biological females who hook up with known woman-identifying males are told to use birth control, biological females who hook up with biological females aren't told that. Being treated as a feminine or feminized male is not the same thing as being treated as a adult human biological female, which is what we refer to with being treated as a woman.

    [–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If transwomen were treated like women, their voices would be just ignored and ridiculed, like all the women's voices protesting against erosion of our rights are ignored. Yet, we only see that transmen are treated like that, but transwomen are given voices, leading positions, focused in trans movement, etc.