QT, if gender is innate to identity

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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

It is objectifying though. Like..I’m a woman telling you that a male observing and then mimicking a woman is objectifying.

And I’m saying “mimicking” is mischaracterization. It’s no more mimicking than a child learning to talk from hearing their parents. It’s just learning.

Here’s the thing, you claim it’s a desire to be pretty because you are told women are pretty. Girls are afraid not to be pretty because we are told our worth is our beauty. Femininity has nothing to do with women’s desires. It is forced on women and created by male desire, and then other males adopt it because they desired what women were indoctrinated with. Then we are told that this desire makes them women.

We’re both shaped by socialization, sure and one I’ve already said isn’t the same one. And it’s as much about disassociating with male expected traits. I.e we are told men aren’t pretty women are so someone who wants to be seen as or feel more like a woman will naturally develop an urge to be seen as pretty. Because it is a trait associated with the desired outcome and therefore becomes desireable. Society shapes us all, we all react differently

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WHat do you think mimicking means? Children do learn to talk via mimicking, just so you know. It’s male socialised perspective on what female socialisation appears to be from afar. It understands nothing about what females endure from our socialisation and only affects surface level observations.

How does that dissociate from male socialisation when the child is still seeped in it, regardless of the kids preferences? How much of socialisation do you think is conscious and knowable to a child?

Imo you give the child adult like perceptive abilities in a retrospective narrative because children are simply not developed enough to recognise that nice sweet mommy buying him shorts and not skirts is also socialising him as male.

You do not get to tell women that have been objectified by males that observing women like a herd of goats and adopting mannerisms seen is anything but objectification. You do not experience it, you do not tell women when we experience it and don’t. You have no right to tell women that we are wrong about how we are treated by men.