QT: Even by your own beliefs, sexuality can't be based on "gender identity"

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[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But you essentialised masculinity to the man which is fine but that's a different argument.

I did not such thing, but I just described what is generally mean by masculine and feminine. Men and women who are break enough sex roles may be called as feminine and masculine respectively, but that doesn't change the fact the concepts are tied to what society expects from each sex.

How? People don't think of masculine people as masculine?

I'm saying that prior to her coming out, people didn't see Jessica as masculine.

You mean obviously trans would be Steve being feminine and Jessica being masculine?

I mean if Steve and Jessica were GNC, peope would not be as surprised by their coming out.

You mean feminine middle aged married women never become lesbians and never adopt a butch lifestyle?

The only possible reason would be accommodate a husband's new "identity" ?

I was talking about this particular example. Provided they don't live in a country where homosexuality is persecuted, coming out as a butch lesbian in middle age doesn't seem very likely to me. But I'm a straight woman, so I'm won't speculate any further about this.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I did not such thing, but I just described what is generally mean by masculine and feminine. Men and women who are break enough sex roles may be called as feminine and masculine respectively, but that doesn't change the fact the concepts are tied to what society expects from each sex.

Concepts that exist in all societies.

I'm saying that prior to her coming out, people didn't see Jessica as masculine.

OK.

I mean if Steve and Jessica were GNC, peope would not be as surprised by their coming out.

I agree they'd be less surprised.

Provided they don't live in a country where homosexuality is persecuted, coming out as a butch lesbian in middle age doesn't seem very likely to me.

I think it still very much happens.

I guess people can change naturally too.

But I'm a straight woman, so I'm won't speculate any further about this.

But you posted this an invited us to debate and speculate on all this.

I'd say people here are free to debate sex and gender no matter who they are. It's very much part of the debate.

[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't make a thread asking about feminine women coming out as butch lesbian in middle age. You're the one who brought this topic up. Yes, this is a debate sub, but I prefer to debate about what I know. Anyway, why are YOU not answering whether sexual orientation is based in sex or "gender identity", which is what this thread was about?