GC: What are the differences between sex segregation and racial segregation? Why is the former required, while the latter is discriminatory?

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[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

placing all the onus on the persons being viewed (in your view who "titillate") and none on the viewers (who in your view are liable to be titillated at the drop of hat, or rather trou) - conveys a view of human sexual arousal and functioning that a lot of people would take issue with.

I was talking about the reason why these persons being viewed have an issue being viewed by the viewers, hence why I was talking about the feelings of the persons being viewed, rather than the viewers.

Your entire reply is pretty much the same playing-dumb act all over again despite these things already being addressed: Having mixed spaces makes no sense under the patriarchy because sexed spaces exist to protect female people from male harassment. No-one here is debating this. The thing being questioned is why sexed spaces would need to exist if this wasn't a concern.

Also, please provide some evidence for your claim that tons of people feel discomfort around homosexuals in their spaces, and for good reason: people want to avoid sexually titillating someone whose sexual attraction they do not want to invite or be a part of. And in so doing, please specify the sex, age range, place of origin & residence, religion etc of the "tons of people" you are referring to. And their sexual orientation, or rather their presumed sexual orientation.

lol

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was talking about the reason why these persons being viewed have an issue being viewed by the viewers

I disagree with "the reason" you have cited. I don't there is one reason that many humans have an issue being viewed naked or partially naked by others of the opposite sex in communal settings, and some might have an issue being viewed by members of their own sex in such settings too. I further don't believe in the one reason that you have cited as "the reason." Coz I don't assume rabid homophobia to be as rife you seem to think it is, nor justifiable as you portray it. Moreover, I don't think a majority of the world's populace perceives their own bodies to be so attractive & sexually alluring that they take it for granted that heterosexual strangers of the opposite sex and homosexual strangers of the same sex all will become sexually titillated if they see us naked or unclothed.

Your entire reply is pretty much the same playing-dumb act all over again despite these things already being addressed: Having mixed spaces makes no sense under the patriarchy because sexed spaces exist to protect female people from male harassment. No one here is debating this.

But I am debating it. I do not agree with you that the only reason single-sex spaces exist is to protect female people from male harassment. Boys customarily are not allowed to accompany their mums or carers into female loos, change rooms and locker rooms once they turn 8 not because everyone thinks boys of that age are likely to be sexual harassers, but because humans in many diverse cultures are raised to have very strong feelings about, and boundaries around, bodily privacy. And because most cultures have different standards for what's appropriate and "feels right" in shared settings involving nudity and intimate bodily functions depending on the sex and ages of the persons there.

Though some boys and men are abusive towards their mothers, and some even beat their mothers, most of the world's males do not and would not sexually harass their own mothers. Yet once boy children are over a certain age, most of their mothers do not feel comfortable undressing or using the toilet in front of or in the presence of their sons.

Most girls & women are not comfortable taking off their clothes, changing sanitary pads or washing blood from their vaginas off their hands in front of their male adolescent and adult relatives even when those male relatives are all nice, decent guys whom the girls & women correctly perceive as posing no threat of harassment.

When I point out that there is more to single-sex spaces than you say, you dismiss my points out of hand by saying

Your entire reply is pretty much the same playing-dumb act all over again

And when asked for evidence of the unsubstantiated claims you make, you come back with

lol

But I don't think I'm the one playing dumb here. And I don't think others will see "lol" as the clever comeback you seem to think it is.