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GC: are there any QT/trans people that you like and admire and QT/trans: are there any GC people you like and admire?(self)

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jackrusselterror1 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun 3 years ago

Personally, yeah, I have quite a few transmen in my social life and work who I respect. I just don’t believe in their spiritual concept of gender identity. It’s like getting along with any religious person as an atheist, you just avoid the topics you can’t agree on and focus on the things you share in common.

I also respect some of the regular commenters from the old discussion site (haven’t been on saidit much, so nothing personal, just don’t know everyone here): basically if they’ve never justified rape by deception, don’t downplay women’s safety concerns, and are here in good faith, I’ve appreciated their comments.

[deleted] 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun 3 years ago

I'm trans, but I really like and admire the GC people I've met online and befriended, they're all amazing, passionate human beings. I love the people who helped form the policy group I'm in, I really like everyone here on the sub, and I really like the people I met on Ovarit, Reddit and YouTube. But I just like most people and I generally agree with GC beliefs anyways, so maybe that's a lame answer.

There is a trans- and QT-affirming therapist who I met a long time ago, and they're very passionate about helping people, which I admire and respect. I actually really admire and like nearly all of the QT people I know personally (then again, I'm just lucky to have a lot of wonderful people in my life!). I understand that their hearts are in the right place, too.

VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun 3 years ago

Very strange question.

With some people I have very different if not opposite views on some important political stances, and yet we are hanging out together and just discussing other things.

Similar is with QT people I may know. They can be good people in other aspects. So why not?

Unless they are fanatics or narcissists. Then it is impossible to speak about anything else with them. And in last year or two - it seems more and more QT people becoming (or more like more narcissists are joining that side of a debate - because they can do stuff unpunished there, similar to some abusers who are claiming they are trans after being caught to get out with their crimes).

loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

There are some trans people that I admire as far as being artists go, not because they are trans but because they just happen to be talented individuals.

I admire any trans person that is willing to be publicly gc leaning, and the trans people here who are as well. Doesn’t mean I always agree with them, doesn’t mean I don’t sometimes find some of the things they say to be self serving or occasionally misogynistic, but I admire anyone who can publicly acknowledge fact as it pertains to the trans community today, it comes with a lot of backlash and vilification.

divingrightintowork 10 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 6 fun 2 years ago

You know I'm starting to see a group of men come forward who I call "based AGPs." they are incredibly open about their fetish, that it is a fetish, etc. and how a lot of TWs are abusing good will and being disiingenuous about their motivations . Like, who'd have thunk? Happy to share them if interested.

loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I kind of do want to check this out lol

divingrightintowork 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

OK! Here's a podcast / youtube video with one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUJxY0MzuRw

and here's a twitter of one - https://twitter.com/Tiresiasovid

and another - https://twitter.com/kirino_imouto/status/1390660645184495626

Also, I'd suggest looking up Men trapped in Men's bodies, by an AGP. I believe you can find a free copy online, but it's not on social media.

questioningtw[S] 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun 3 years ago

There is this transwoman that is a blacksmith that I really like, because she makes a lot of really cool swords and actually seems like a nice person. I also admire trans people that are more gc leaning, and there are a suprising number of them that are.

adungitit 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Meh, in my experience most "GC" leaning trans people are just transmedicalists, and are extremely invested in the idea of ladybrains.

MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Sword making, particularly in the 21st century, seems hardly like a past time indicative of "gender nonconformity" LOL. Using one's metal working skills to make phallic weapons, especially in this day and age, strikes me as very male and masculinist in the most traditional of ways. And not the good ways, either, but in the throwback ways that associate males with violence, war and bloodthirstiness. The iron smiths and other metal workers I've known in the current century and the prior one have tended to focus on making things like furniture, fencing, gates, latticework, trellises, sculpture, fountains, grates, various forms architecture, parts for transportation vehicles (bike frames, car chassis, axels) and horse shoes. Swords not so much.

questioningtw[S] 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun 3 years ago

Huh. you make a good point. I was more thinking of Renassaince Fairs where the swords are more just for looks. There is another female blacksmith I really like that actually makes the other stuff you mentioned.

theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

I think I respect gnc gc people more than conforming straight gc people.

Conforming gc people slip into "they're all sick perverts apart from the proper gay ones" very easily.

questioningtw[S] 4 insightful - 8 fun4 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 8 fun 3 years ago

I have noticed this too. I don't like GC people that act like literally all lesbian transwomen are perverted fetishists, even if they seem normal. Itis one thing to call out people like Yaviv or Karen White, but acting like all of them are like that is wrong. Usually the more gender non conforming ones are rightfully concerned about how society tries to push this idea that feminine means woman or masculine means man.

VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

If "lesbian transwoman" is not just dating women, but searching specifically lesbians to date (and very upset if woman TW dated was bisexual - I saw this too many times) - then it is 100% fetishism. As if they loved women, they'd loved any women and would not be searching only lesbians for "true and complete validation".

And in general - the whole idea of "lesbian transwomen" is extremely homophobic in its core. It was pushed by homophobic societies in one or another way since forever, lesbians who were forcibly pushed to "date feminine men". And situations like - when just straight men were saying like "I am lesbian too, I will wear a wig and dress, so you should not dismiss me and date me" weren't that rare, I personally lived through such experience.

MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

lesbian transwomen

What?

worried19 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun 3 years ago

On Ovarit, there are a few posters who go way overboard with this. I downvote when they get really over the top.

questioningtw[S] 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun 3 years ago

I do too. I have been downvoted myself for saying that I have no problem with transwomen like Blair White or Natalie Wynn using the women's bathroom, and in fact I think it is pretty shitty telling people that look exactly like women to use the mens.

MarkTwainiac 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

I have no problem with transwomen like Blair White or Natalie Wynn using the women's bathroom

What you personally have a problem with is immaterial here. Women's and girls' facilities in schools, workplaces and the public domain are not your personal property and you are not the boss of them. The privacy, dignity, safety and peace of mind of girls and women is not yours to give away. Or for any other males to take or give away.

I think it is pretty shitty telling people that look exactly like women to use the mens

I think your idea that young males who alter their appearance to resemble sexist stereotypes of what some women of their same age group look like somehow have earned the right to use female facilities is pretty shitty too. It reflects views of women and how we should look and be defined that are sexist, superficial, misogynistic and ageist. The idea that BW and Contra "look exactly like women" is insulting to billions of the world's women past and present, most of whom can't afford, have no time for or interest in elaborate makeup routines, hair extensions, fake nails, facial fillers, silicone implants, cosmetic surgeries and spending every waking hour studying or performing mannerisms some men find "feminine" such as head tilting, nail-clicking, hair flicking and acting "girly." And the idea that the best way for same-sex attracted people to deal with their homosexuality or bisexuality is to alter their appearance and adopt a lot of phony, practiced mannerisms in hopes they will convince others to regard them as the opposite sex is homophobic and regressive.

Boys and men are the ones who need to show inclusivity to males who prefer to "present" as BW and Contra do and to welcome them into and help them realize they belong in male loos and other male spaces. It's sexist and male supremacist to say girls and women should have to budge up and sacrifice our safety and privacy to accommodate males like BW and Contra when the fundamental issue is that such males have trouble accepting themselves, see girls and women as sex objects to caricature, and think males' right to do as they wish overrides girls' and women's right to boundaries.

[deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

The issue is that Blaire has no legal distinction from Yaniv when it comes to the women's bathroom. (I know Yaniv is Canadian and Blaire American but I mean in terms of policy we see now and policy TRAs wish to implement.) I respect Blaire for saying that no person with a penis should be in a women's changing room. She knows she is no danger to women but understands the real concerns women have about protecting their spaces. Not a popular stance for trans influencers to take.

worried19 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun 3 years ago

It's not even just about bathrooms. I can understand taking a hard line stance on that even if I don't agree. But some posters (one in particular) continually goes around saying that all trans women are pedophiles and rapists. Like, dude, seriously? I think it drags the whole site down when people talk that way. Fortunately, it's not many, but it's a bad look for all of us.

SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Yes. Chelsea Manning.

questioningtw[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Wow, really? I don't really know that much about Chelsea Manning, and am not really sure if she was right in what she did or wrong.

SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Manning was the one who leaked the Collateral Murder video to WikiLeaks, revealing that the US military murdered Reuters journalists & first responders. Ironically it's the 'Man' part of my username in recognition of Manning.

MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Manning also assaulted a female army officer.

SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

He shouldn't be put in prison at all, but if were to be, it certainly shouldn't be a women's prison.

HeimdeklediROAR 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun 2 years ago

As a matter of philosophy, I like everyone and admire no one. To quote Aizen, “Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding”