QT: Who is trans “inclusive” language really for?

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[–]Taln_Reich 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You can call them "(trans) women" all the times you want. They are still males and everybody knows it even if a lot of people nowadays pretend otherwise.

"women" is gender Identity, "male" is biological sex. Those are different, and no one would claim otherwise.

Most of trans natal males are sexually attracted to women.

actual statistics: Of the trans women respondents 27% answered gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 20% answered bisexual, 19% heterosexual, 16% pansexual, 6% answered asexual, 6% queer, and 6% did not answer.[5] ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality )

Transactivists are asking women to accept males in intimate places like bathrooms, changing rooms, shelters, etcetera and that we pretend not to notice they are males. And honestly, the fact that a lot of trans natal males are keen on ignoring women's boundaries speaks volumes on how they would treat women in those spaces.

Do you have any evidence, that letting transgender women use women's bathrooms/changing rooms/shelters causes an statistical increase in violations of safety and privacy? Because this study 1 shows otherwise.

Those are terms that transactivists have appropriated from the intersex community despite that most people who identify as trans don't have any DSD. Moreover, "assigned male (or female) at birth" doesn't make sense for the vast majority of humans who don't have any DSD. Sex is not assigned at birth, but observed and recorded at birth.

I am just informing about how the terms are used, not making a statement regarding the correctness/incorrectness about said term-use.

[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"women" is gender Identity, "male" is biological sex. Those are different, and no one would claim otherwise.

No, you don’t decide what I can say or not. “Woman”, “man”, “female”, and “male” are all based on biological sex. “Gender identity” is term coined in mid-20th century and it has only become more used in recent years. Through most of human history people didn’t have a concept of “gender identity”. Even today, lots of people don’t care about “gender identity”. I don’t believe in this stuff and I don’t have a gender identity. I just know I’m a woman.

actual statistics: Of the trans women respondents 27% answered gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 20% answered bisexual, 19% heterosexual, 16% pansexual, 6% answered asexual, 6% queer, and 6% did not answer.5

Can I assume those numbers are based on gender identity rather than sex? I guess so, considering the usage of the word lesbian. So, I’ll exclude the queer ones because that could mean whatever. So, according to this, at least 63% of trans natal males are sexually attracted to women (27% same gender attracted + 20% bisexual + 16% pansexual + an unknown number from the queers and those who didn’t answer). And 63% > 37%. Thank you very much to prove my point.

Do you have any evidence, that letting transgender women use women's bathrooms/changing rooms/shelters causes an statistical increase in violations of safety and privacy? Because this study 1 shows otherwise.

This study from Sweden shows that transsexuals undergoing “SRS” have similar criminal rates than male controls.

In 2018, Unesco said single sex bathrooms are need to secure girls’ access to education.

In the UK, statistics about sexual assaults in public swimming pools show unisex changing rooms increase the risk of such incidents for women.

Here is a compilation of the many threats sent to J.K. Rowling. Oh, and do you remember when JKR was declared dead after a misrepresentation of her last book? More examples of the kind of threats sent by transactivists here, here, here, here, and here. And here is an example of my country, where a trans natal male attacked a radical feminist trying to talk about prostitution in gathering previous to International Women’s Day in 2019. Why should women accept to share intimate places like bathrooms, changing rooms, etcetera with these males? Oh, and surely, you’ve heard of Jessica Yaniv and Karen White, right? Again, why should women accept males, not matter how they identify, in sex-segregated spaces?

Not all males, whether they are trans or not, commit violent crimes but most of violent criminals are males. Women can’t tell who is a dangerous male and who isn’t a first glance. But even in the case of male who won’t hurt a fly, well, sorry, but they are not entitled to enter to such places because women want privacy in addition to safety there. If trans natal males don’t want to share places like bathrooms, etcetera with regular males, then they can campaign for third spaces.

I am just informing about how the terms are used, not making a statement regarding the correctness/incorrectness about said term-use.

And I’m explaining how transactivists misuse those terms.