QT: Who is trans “inclusive” language really for?

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[–]Taln_Reich 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's so hard for me to believe someone was denied an abortion over that. Do you have a source you can link?

well, it is at least a legal possibility https://madspades.tumblr.com/post/622869974338371584 (remembered that part wrong, I think? I'm pretty sure I read something like that).

Also, why didn't they just say they were female/a woman (since you literally have to be to get pregnant)? If male pregnancy was actually something that could happen, abortion rights would be written in the constitution.

Transgender men don't say they are women, because they aren't. Transgender men are men. And since they can get pregnant, that case needs to be covered in law's gouverning abortion right.

This us such as bad argument. A female taking performance enhancing drugs shouldn't be allowed to compete with females not taking performance enhancing drugs. Rules about this are common in like every sport. The Mack Beggs thing shouldn't have not allowed based on that, but it's not an argument for placing people in sports based on gender identity. You give up things when you transition.

So if transgender men can't compete in the womens category (due to their hormone levels), and can't compete in the men's category (because you are argueing for birth sex based competition), well, where can they compete? And, no, this is not comparable to someone taking performance enhancing drugs. He didn't take testosterone to improve his performance, he took testosterone to deal with his gender dysphoria.

I feel like you should stop using transmen to do all the work in your arguments.

Transgender men are as much a part of the transgender issue as transgender women. So whenever people argue against division based on gender identity instead of birth sex, that means sorting cisgender women and transgender men together. And that needs to be pointed out.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

well, it is at least a legal possibility https://madspades.tumblr.com/post/622869974338371584 (remembered that part wrong, I think? I'm pretty sure I read something like that).

Okay, so it did not happen.

Transgender men don't say they are women, because they aren't. Transgender men are men. And since they can get pregnant, that case needs to be covered in law's gouverning abortion right.

TMAM and TWAW doesn’t mean anything and can’t be explained. It just shuts down conversation. Only female people can get pregnant. I don’t see any laws needing to changed.

So if transgender men can't compete in the womens category (due to their hormone levels), and can't compete in the men's category (because you are argueing for birth sex based competition), well, where can they compete?

I’m not arguing for birth sex based competition. I don’t think trans people should be participating in competitive sports at all (unless some wants to compete with males, since there is no potential advantage there). As I said before, you give up things when you transition. It’s more important to keep sports fair and safe for women and girls.

And, no, this is not comparable to someone taking performance enhancing drugs. He didn't take testosterone to improve his performance, he took testosterone to deal with his gender dysphoria.

I don’t know why the reason they are taking it matters. The practical outcome is the same.

Transgender men are as much a part of the transgender issue as transgender women.

I just don’t like male trans people hiding behind female trans people. It’s not fair to make females do all the work for you, especially when the issue for sports isn’t about females, it’s about males.