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Why this thread?(self)

15 points14 points17 points submitted by GenderbenderShe/her/hers

loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

I thought you said in your old post that most people agree TWAW/TMAM lol

Anyway, I think the reason it was “attacked” was because there was no real need for it to be posted there in the first place but also, it’s yet another example of trans ideology being forced on people who should be allowed to not have anything to do with trans ideology. That sub gets posts like this all the time as you can see from the comments, they’re probably sick of those posts and want to focus on relevant topics. Clearly, to those men, transmen are not really a relevant topic.

Probably, and this is just a shot in the dark, because it’s a sub for homosexual men. Not homogenderidentity men. Sorry, it seems like homogenderidentity just isn’t taking off the way tras hoped it would.

GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Trans gay are still gay men, and the right to participate in the sub as much as cis gay men do. So yes cis gay men will have to deal with trans gay men. Now most posts agree you don't have to sleep with anyone for any reason. Though one user (user A) said if a gay man is post-op there is no reason not to date them. User B said people can sleep with whomever they want. User A asks user B if he would reject a gay man who lost his penis due to an injury and he replies yes. User A called user B an asshole. Other than that people respect each others boundaries. You don't want to date fat men, fine. You don't want to date men of a certain race, fine. Though there were a few comments that were transphobic, such as telling a trans dude he doesn't belong in the sub. All the OP asked is for users not to be transphobic. He made it clear you don't have to date or sleep with anyone for any reason. I understand many trans people think not wanting to date/sleep with them is transphobic, but this thread isn't one of them and shouldn't be attacked.

loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Oh! So you’re forcing gay men to accept your concept of gay men and saying they have to deal with them?! Wow. Those men aren’t even allowed to have a space free from transmen, even though they don’t consider them men. Based on your rules?

The reason the thread was “attacked” is because many of not most of the commenters don’t see transmen as men to begin with. So you’re saying that trans people have the right to force entry wherever they see fit based on their ideology. And it’s clear from that thread and many others, including the ones in the links you asked for but never acknowledged, that the majority of gay n don’t include transmen as men or as gay men.

Yet it’s the gc feminists who don’t care about gay men, not you and the transmen infiltrating their spaces when it’s clear they aren’t wanted there by the vast majority.

VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Enforcing "gays must accept this" is just homophobia tbh.

Ah yes...I wonder why gay men feelings does not matter, but transmen feelings do matter? Isn't gay men oppressed too and even evil GC feminists doesn't care about them? I thought we should think about their feelings. I guess not and transmen feelings mean more then...

GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Gay trans men are gay men and have every right to participate in that sub. The thread was calling out transphobia, while acknowledging you can sleep with whoever you want and your attractions are not transphobic. If cis gay men have a problem with it, they can create a sub on saidit or start their own website like Ovarit where they can ban whoever they want. Reddit doesn't welcome transphobia.

loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Like I said- you are forcing your ideology on a group of people regardless of how they may feel. They did create their own sub- transmen invaded it. Reddit doesn’t welcome “transphobia”, fine. Then the sub will get banned eventually- because clearly the overall consensus is that transmen aren’t considered men by the majority of that sub. And the gay men will move to a space where they can ban heterosexual women who think they’re gay men, as you said. So nobody needed to be reminded that reddit skews in favor of trans people- we are all well aware. The point is not that reddit allows them to invade other people’s spaces- the point is that the people in the space that was invaded don’t see them as men, let alone gay men. You asked why the post was “attacked”. That’s why.

MezozoicGaygay male 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

They are not, same as masculine women are not gay men. You do realize, that you are doing and saying absolutely the same that our homophobic goverment was doing to "fix" us? Either accept that "very masculine women are men too and unlearn your genital preferences", or go in jail. Nowadays Iran goes even further and not forcing gay men into vaginal sex with "manly females" but transitioning them into transwomen, and the only alternative is death. And even their rhetorics is copy, here it is:

“The government believes that if you are a gay man your soul is that of a woman and you should change your body.”

“This is a way to fight the existence of homosexual people because you change their body and you solve the problem.”

You are using same terminology, same arguments, and trying to enforce same actions on homosexual people as the most conservative countries of the current age and as homophobic countries of the past. Same words, same actions, same rhetorics, same aquisitions. I am old enough to live through different phases of homophobia in countries with homosexuals being outlawed, and I lived in few different countries for a decent amount of time (more than 3 years in each) where homosexuals are outlawed.

Why you do not want to see this and to accept this? It is facts, it is lived experience of thousands, if not millions of homosexual people, especially ones who are living or were livign outside of some European countries and some USA states.

Why do you think that safe spaces for gay men must include not gay men? Why places like "/r/Periods" and '/r/PCOS" must include transwomen too, if they never ever can experience those and suffer from those? Why policing language and not letting people who suffering from it to be able to speak about their problems - and all because someone who can never understand or experience those problems at all?

MezozoicGaygay male 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

They aren't gay by definition, saying otherwise is homophobia and conversion therapy (similar to which was already used in my country of origin just 30 years ago).