My Body... My Choice..

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[–]HopeThatHalps 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Such laws apply to children who attend public schools, as a means of preventing public health crisis. It's in no way logically related to abortion.

That being said, "my body my choice" doesn't really address the moral dilemma of abortion in the first place. Why not "my gun my choice" if I decide to shoot you, or "my car my choice" if I run you over?

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

My body my choice seems clear in just about any context I can see. It's non threatening to others, as well as to oneself; meaning it shouldn't get the SWAT team called on you, and it also shouldn't result in a 3 day forced stay at a mental facility for 'self harm'.

If you applied the same logic to 'my gun, my choice', or 'my car, my choice', then both have an element of something external that can be used to cause harm, whether to self, or to others, which has a definite stronger possibility to bring in outsiders-cops.

The only other point I think I could make in regards to strength of simply, 'my body, my choice', can you think of an easier, and perhaps shorter, and as concise method of declaring that you, have dominion over your very own body?

[–]HopeThatHalps 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

My body my choice seems clear in just about any context I can see. It's non threatening to others,

If a child has typhoid though, and that child goes to school, that body is a threat to others.

If you applied the same logic to 'my gun, my choice', or 'my car, my choice', then both have an element of something external that can be used to cause harm

In this case it's not internal/external, but that which you have dominion over, which includes your property, too.

[–]cmdrrockawesome 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

This is the correct take. It's not "My body, my choice." when that choice has the potential to negatively affect others. You don't want to vaccinate you kids? Fine. Don't take them anywhere in public and don't expose them to any other people (especially kids) unless you explicitly tell them your child isn't vaccinated.

There are plenty of immuno-compromised people and unvaccinated children and infants out there (for legitimate medical reasons) who are put at risk every time they encounter an unvaccinated person. It's irresponsible and borderline immoral to take your unvaccinated children anywhere in public.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

True. Regarding the "my body, my choice", the idea is that the fetus is a person, and you'd be using "your body" to kill a person, the same as if you used "your gun" or "your car". I'm pro-choice personally, but I think "my body, my choice" is a dumb slogan that doesn't address the underlying ethical dilemma.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's a thought-terminating cliché. It doesn't actually mean anything at this point; just "I have my stance on this massive, difficult ethical dilemma, and I'm sticking to it! because I'm right." I mean, I agree with said stance, like you, but…

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But is herd immunity the truth, are there not issues with it?

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Herd immunity isn't "the truth". It's an emergent property of…

I put together a simulation for you, using Nicky Case's Emoji simulation engine. This should explain it. Click next to a group of unimmune people to vaccinate them.

Since the simulation is so small, I put in an unsafe, mostly-effective vaccine; you will see the vaccine making people ill, to a much greater extent than happens in real life. (Orders of magnitude of a higher extent.) The illness is also pretty fatal, but not too fatal to spread to literally everyone in the simulation.

Feel free to share it with other people, if you find it helpful. The code's a bit hackish and sporadic (you can see it by removing the "edit" parameter).

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The problem is getting vaccinations while being immmuncompromised can be dangerous. Most vaccines are safe but the media, pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers seem to polarize the issues. Ther are some vaccines such as lymerix that have been pulled in an ultimatum for their roles in causing harm to people. tens of millions of dollars have been paid to families due to vaccine injury. Vaccines should be safe and effective.

[–]cmdrrockawesome 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Vaccines, by and large, are safe and effective. Yes, money has been paid out to people who have had adverse reactions to them, but it's ultimately a small number in the big scheme of things. Society as a whole is better with people getting vaccinations.

Also, I've never met or heard of a medical professional who wasn't willing to delay or space out vaccination protocols for young children or those who may have adverse reactions.