It just doesn’t get more lesbian than this

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Good for them! Four gay, or bisexual men cuddling and having sex. I see nothing wrong with that. A bit stupid that they call it "lesbian" though

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I had one girl I used to hang out with say I should transition because "you'd be like a cute K pop guy". Wtf you're friends with my family! We're not even Korean! That's how I learned my friend was a homophobe and a racist.

More subtle, damaging pressure came from transwomen friends I made in my college's QSU. In a conversation, one of them said to me "I had to work to look this beautiful, I didn't have it easy like ciswomen. I mean, do you even want to be a woman?"

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All of these vague phrases and platitudes and yet none of them address the actual core issues:

are you tolerant of homosexuals being same-sex attracted?
Do we have the right to free-association based on this? If not, why not?
Do women have the right to free association based on our sex?
Do female athletes have the right to compete exclusively with members of their sex?
What are your opinions on the rampant, relentless, sexual harassment and abuse that the trans movement has inflicted on women and lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people, all clearly documented for all to see?

All these platitudes make these "inclusionists" look like ostriches, with their heads in the sand and asses in the air

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So his first instinct, when confronted with a conference of gay people resisting sexual threats and violence against their community, is to threaten them with sexual violence? This is supposed to change their mind how?

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I think "girlfag" is another one of their gender identities. It means a gay man in the body of a straight woman, but the woman has no desire to transition or "pass" as a man. So a spicy straight woman

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I think the "lesbian" in this story is a trans identified male

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Censorshipment are you saying it was justified that the gay guy was murdered for revealing his crush on the straight friend? "These queers need to be scared straight and stop fucking with people"...wtf does that mean?

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The idea that women don't need foreplay b/f just putting something in the vagina is exactly the reason so many women don't orgasm from straight sex. B/c men don't understand the female body or how to pleasure a woman. All they can think about is p in v, no imagination or creativity beyond that

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I'm sure she identifies as a scientist

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This comment in the thread by a "butch lesbian transwoman" sums up everything wrong with the trans movement:

As a trans woman I will say that talking about my past or my experiences, whether I am speaking to things that are the same about all women or all lesbians or all butches, or different about us, is my business, for me to do on my time, when I feel safe. My situation at birth and the effect it has had on me is not for anyone to point out or discuss other than me, in any way ever, unless I ask them to, full fucking stop.

If this is "a conversation that needs to happen" and cis people want to have it then their only option is to try and make us feel safe enough overall that we can breach the topic and we can lead the discussion. Forcing this conversation on us or having a cis person lead is the problem. Not the topic itself.

So, if you, as a trans person, want to discuss how you feel, then you are allowed. My question, since I am allowed this stage too, is "why are we talking about it?" I have no problem sharing my intimate life experiences with people I trust and friends, regardless of their gender/sexuality status. But as you said, you do that too so it's not that you don't have an outlet.

What are we gaining by generalizing the unbelievably varied trans experience in public?

What are we trying to do by "having this conversation"?

He really can't see why women who've lived as gnc their whole lives might want to talk about their experiences as females, as people that went through female socialization and sex-based oppression, as homosexual women in a straight world. His comment reframes it all about "cis vs trans" instead of the material realities of living as males or females. He also individualizes it all, and makes it all about "personal experience" without recognizing that women talking about these issues are recognizing similarities as community or a class and relating to others.

He demands we don't talk amongst ourselves unless he leads and frames the whole conversation to suit him. This is the entire problem with males "identifying" as lesbians. They don't know what the fuck they, or we, are talking about but demand we shut up for their sake

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Holy shit that advice is so dangerous...if they don't care about their partner's consent they should at least think about their own safety before pulling something so dangerous and risky. This bad advice could get a transwoman killed.

To anyone hate-reading this sub: regardless of what you've heard, we DO NOT want trans people to get killed or harmed. DO NOT EVER TAKE THAT PERSON'S ADVICE!

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Potbellied frat boy in shortshorts and an ill-fitting bra? Calling himself a butch lesbian? No butch lesbian would be caught dead in that getup! I say that as a "futch" or tomboy lesbian XD

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Bravo women! It's good no one was hurt by that psycho man with the flare

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Thanks Reluctant :)

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Thank you! :) Your comment made my day!

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It's because to them, 'Pride' is just another theme, an aesthetic, a brand, divorced from the origin of the word. It's an empty slogan dressed up as rainbows and buying shit they don't need. Just like the name 'Amazon' doesn't evoke the rain forest anymore in most peoples' minds, 'Tide' doesn't evoke the ocean and 'Starbucks' doesn't evoke 'Moby-Dick'. It's all empty, empty bullshit. Sorry for the ramble.

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The way they put same-sex attraction in scare quotes, when 1 or 2 years ago this was a perfectly standard, uncontroversial way to describe sexual orientation, even in woke circles. For the vast majority of people same and opposite sex attraction are non-controversial and easily understood.

The scramble and race to controversialize such basic terms shows how scared the TRA movement is. They're trying to make it impossible for us to describe our own love lives and experiences, because they know their gender ideology doesn't hold up to reality

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Anyone looking at that poster will think she's a token lesbian. Not one will mistake her as a "fellow gay man"

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This is amazing! Yes to "go validate your fucking self"!

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Aw I'm so glad it helped and gave you hope! :) There is every reason to hope, and you are definitely not alone. Yes! I am absolutely a lucky woman. She is the best thing that ever happened to me

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Tbh one of the many, many things I love about my wife is we are super honest with each other about the fact we're both horny bastards. We're very attracted to each other and monogamous but we also look at other women and talk about them together. Like if we see a hot woman in a movie or a concert or on the street, we are unfiltered in our thoughts to each other. If we are out and about we keep the lewder comments for later at home ;)

At home watching a show she'll be like "I would let her sit on my face" and I'll be like "same!" LOL.

We're pretty lewd talking with our small handful of lesbian friends and they're pretty lewd talking with us, and the couples with each other. I get the sense the repression you talk about is a common phenomenon, and once we are in relationships or close friendships we let the words and thoughts free. I think your repression is probably part of why your fantasies are so frequent possibly. It will get better!

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Yes it's very biased. Like it's only "incongruent" if you are blinded by ideology. Otherwise it's so obvious!

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Kai this was so hard to read. 6 years ago I went through a bad spell of depression myself, even had a whole suicide plan. Looking back I'm so thankful I went to the health clinic instead of following through. It's hard to imagine a positive future when you're depressed, and with the schism happening in the gay community now, and feeling like the world has gone insane, it definitely adds to the stress. Please know that your life can change and get better in ways you never imagined. I never thought I'd meet anyone, but then I met and married the most amazing woman. I met gay friends who I never thought I'd meet. Finally people to relate to irl! Some of them don't agree with my gendercritical/radfem views but most, surprisingly do when you strip away all the labels and just talk about it in terms of policies and ideas. We also give each other space to disagree, and to just change the subject when we need to. That's okay too. I hope these things help you see that the loneliness and depression won't last forever, and life can change in wonderful, unexpected ways. Please don't do anything to yourself, try to talk to someone irl. Maybe a family member or a health professional. I only know you online, but I care and hope you think carefully before doing anything permanent.

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I read about this study somewhere else. The 33% of gays and lesbians saying they would date a trans person were saying they would stay with their same sex partner if they transitioned (ie a lesbian would stay with her female partner who becomes a transman or a gay man would stay with his male partner who becomes a transwoman). They were also asked if they would go on a date with a same sex person who is trans, and 33% said yes. This confused the survey people, who called the gays and lesbians "incongruent" because they wouldn't date an opposite sex trans person. Almost zero percent, if I remember correct, would date "transbians" or trans gay men".

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