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Trump indicted in Stormy Daniels hush-money case(thehill.com)

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thoughtcriminal 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun 1 year ago

It's a lose lose.

If Trump wins or the case is dismissed (most likely imo) it's because it was clearly a witch hunt, given the weakness of the charges.

If Trump loses it's because it was clearly a witch hunt, given the weakness of the charges.

Considering every past (and current) president in my lifetime has committed literal war crimes and never been tried, it looks like a witch hunt regardless. Imagine spending 6+ years, including the largest and most expensive federal investigation in history trying to find something to jail Trump over; and the best they can come up with is falsifying a business record which is usually just a misdemeanor and is already past the statute of limitations. Amazing.

Maybe if Bragg focused on crime in his own state instead of Orange Man it wouldn't be such a shithole.

ActuallyNot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

How can it be a witch hunt? Michael Cohen was sentenced to 3 years in prison for this same campaign finance violation.

The only reason that Trump didn't do time then is his DOJ was so partisan they didn't pursue the sitting president as out of scope.

SoCo 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun 1 year ago

Chohen plead guilty to a non-crime that made no sense and never would have survived simple review. He either was paid handsomely for it, which made this whole grasping at straws against Trump possible, or he negotiated his way out of other crimes for doing so.

The DOJ is a separate branch of government. The executive branch doesn't control the DOJ. The DOJ is stuffed with activists judges slowly over time.

ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

It was two crimes. One, a campaign finance violation. Two, saying he paid it out of his own pocket to cover up that it was a campaign finance violation.

The executive branch doesn't control the DOJ

Trump appointed Bill Barr, who covered up his crimes for him.

SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Barr didn't cover anything up.

I see you are confused about the "campaign finance violation" ruse. No, it came from his own pocket, not from any campaign fund. It is well established what accounts sent money to where. They are accusing any payment from his own pocket that they can speculate goes towards helping his campaign, to be technically a campaign payment. So he can't spend any more than the campaign value cap on any one thing, that some weasel can mind-read that it was totally about the campaign.

He made the payment from the Trump org to a LLC company formed by his lawyer, Cohen, to deal with legal issues, such as purchasing the enquirer interview and paying off some salty gold diggers looking to make some cash with freedom of speech/association killing slander interviews. They are accusing the monthly payments to the LLC to be structured payments directly to Stormy Daniels, making him logging the payments as legal fees to be fraudulent.

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thoughtcriminal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

If Republicans and Saiditors want to have a shred of authenticity, they should admit to the necessity of the rule of law for everyone.

That would be fine with me, but that's not what we're seeing. Trump, Biden, Obama and Bush haven't been indicted for their war crimes or the deaths of innocent civilians they ordered. Biden is on video openly admitting to a quid pro quo with Ukraine, why isn't he being impeached? Why didn't we impeach him when he distributed covid funds based on race and gender in direct violation of the civil rights act?

Instead we're going after Trump for a clerical error. Not even a federal charge, this is coming from the DA of a state he doesn't even live in.

That's why it looks like a witch hunt. Every past president (including Trump) is a criminal and their crimes are far more egregious that falsifying business records. If you want to indict them all for their war crimes I'm all for it. Instead we seem to be spending an immense amount of time, money, and resources on the only POTUS in my lifetime who didn't involve us in a war.

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ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Biden is on video openly admitting to a quid pro quo with Ukraine, why isn't he being impeached?

Because you misunderstood the video.

That's why it looks like a witch hunt. Every past president (including Trump) is a criminal and their crimes are far more egregious that falsifying business records.

It turns out america doesn't accept is war crimes. So within the US legal system, these are crimes. And because the rules of law should apply to everyone, that includes against Trump.

It's especially important, because among the crimes he likes to do is instigate an insurgency, so he needs to be taken off the street for the safety of the country.

It sucks for his secret service security detail though. They would have to go to prison too, so that they can protect the ex president.

VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

It's more the fact that there's a double standard. Trump gets time for far lesser crimes than most politicians actively commit and get away with.

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ActuallyNot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Interesting timing.

Now everyone will forget about the trans mass murderer manifesto. That thing just vanished.

Oh come on. It was clear the grand jury was moving fast before the US's 130th and second most recent mass shooting this year.

Tuesday 21st a judge gave Trump's lawyers to midnight that day to respond to questions about classified documents at mar-a-lago and the DOJ till 6:00 am Wednesday 22nd to respond.

And it's clear that these financial crimes would need to go first, because if you don't have a criminal record, you get more lenient sentencing.

VulptexVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

I wonder if they were both planned.

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Legal observers suggest an indictment of Trump would likely focus on charges of falsifying business records, but bumping that up from the misdemeanor to a felony could prove difficult.

They are charging him with a misdemeanor, unbelievable

iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

The misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations

fugly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

the felony is - illegal use of campaign funds

ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Looks like over 30 financial crimes.

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I wouldn't be so sure about that, if they accomplish anything more than energizing his voting base I'd be surprised

From the Washington Post:

"Donald Trump deserves the legal scrutiny he’s getting — which has come from many corners on many counts. Yet of the long list of alleged violations, the likely charges on which a grand jury in New York state voted to indict him are perhaps the least compelling. There’s cause for concern, and caution, ahead."

"Pyramiding two transgressions of state rules to go after a federal candidate is legally plausible. But the strategy is also novel, and courts may regard it with skepticism. What’s more, the potential campaign finance charge itself is shaky. When federal prosecutors charged former senator John Edwards (D-N.C.) with a similar crime following his 2008 presidential run, he rebutted the accusation by arguing he was trying to disguise his faithlessness from his wife rather than from the voting public. The trial ended in acquittal on one count and a hung jury on others — at which point the Justice Department dropped the charges."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-new-york/

ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

John Edwards (D-N.C.) with a similar crime following his 2008 presidential run, he rebutted the accusation by arguing he was trying to disguise his faithlessness from his wife rather than from the voting public.

A more plausible argument for Edwards, who made payments since the affair.

Less plausible in the Trump case, since there was one payment, ten years after the affair, and one year before the election.

But that's only one crime. We have multiple reports that there's another 30 or 31.

Soloninja 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun 1 year ago

It is nice to see law enforcement give him a W in his next election

weavilsatemyface 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Wouldn't be the first time law enforcement gave Trump a win.

In 2016, just days before the election, FBI chief James B. Comey announced that new incriminating Clinton emails were discovered on Anthony Weiner's laptop. And then just after the election, he announced that, oh no, false alarm, it's all good they actually aren't incriminating at all, lol.

And then the FBI spent the next four years undermining him at every opportunity, pushing that "Russian agent" bullshit, denying the Hunter Biden laptop story, and demonising Jan 6th protesters, including the non-violent ones.

Let's face it: they're just messing with the US voters. The chaos and stupidity isn't an accident.

Soloninja 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

anthony weiner the guy who got caught multiple times showing his weiner right ?

neolib 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

according to a source familiar with the proceedings

NYT:

according to five people with knowledge of the matter

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news#the-unprecedented-case-against-trump-will-have-wide-ranging-implications

NBC:

according to three sources familiar with the matter

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/manhattan-grand-jury-voting-in-donald-trump-hush-money-case-sources/4164476/

Looks pretty convincing, but still not 100% confirmed :)

Oyveygoyim 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

If anyone would know it would be the jew filth like the jew York times or nbcjews

SoCo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

When you have an all-of-government effort of corruption against a candidate, you have everything illegally leaked which the media can use to slander them, preferably anonymously, so the media can spin, cherry pick, and use the information out of context liberally.

iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

hilarious if it was false

neolib 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Looks like it's confirmed by Alvin Bragg now: https://twitter.com/manhattanda/status/1641579988360019968

VulptexVoluntaryist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

I knew it. Now they're probably sending fed agents out to incite his supporters to riot.

iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

*definitely

weavilsatemyface 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

If Trump is jailed, Trump supporters will be convinced the system is rigged, democracy is dead, and there will be war on the streets. If Trump isn't jailed, Never Trumpers and the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd will be convinced the system is corrupt and democracy is dead. Either way, we're counting down to the Second American Civil War.

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VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

To be fair, what could he have done?

VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

It was going to happen either way. I think we've been doomed since the George Floyd incident.

iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Wrong

William_World 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

shouldn't have trusted cohen

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Hhahaha Trump spent his whole life paying off (((New York))) politicians, and look where it got him.

iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

yeah the loser is only a billionaire and former POTUS

Raindeer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 1 year ago

CLOWNS ALL!!!!

Godknight 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Trump 2024 it is boys!

Get ready for those liberal tears!

This is the go sign to vote for Trump.

ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun 1 year ago

Elect the criminal people!

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VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Probably because it doesn't and never has disqualified a president from running. Changing the rules just because it's Trump is blatantly unfair.

iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

they already elected biden tho ?

VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Next election

ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Oh, you poor man.

Not everything Trump writes to get his people to donate money to him is true.

The idea is to get their money.

iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

k

VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Not so fast. Trump wants to portray himself as a martyr, because it makes people want to support him. Like how Palpatine manipulated his enemies to persecute him, and used his martyrdom as a tactic to become emperor. After which he began committing the exact same crimes as them.

All I'm saying is, don't trust someone simply because they're being persecuted.

Alphix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

It's obviously a distraction, but from what?

I have two candidates: the so-called "ban tiktok act" which includes the restrict act, which means total surveillance of all electronic communications in the USA, with up to 20 years in jail sentences for simple things such as using a VPN.

Or:

Maybe the financial system is breaking down more than we think and its higher ups are going to announce it's completely broken down tonight after financial markets close.

Any other ideas what they might be distracting the population from?

VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Everything. The fact that they're going to take over the republic and reorganize it into the first American Empire.

Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

The admiralty law flags have been everywhere for a long time now. Also, the US is a corporation, it is a dictatorship and an empire. The republic of the USA is, for all intents and purposes, inactive, comatose, dissolved.

EddieC 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Any other ideas what they might be distracting the population from?

Ultimately, to keep everyone in elite Dom
to rob everyone of Our Real FreeDom
 

To those who see & understand this already:
- Why are you not normalizing our own agenda?
- Why are you helping the usurpers - flood dissidents with noise?
 

To those who do not see & understand this already:
- What is it that you do not see or understand?
 

SoCo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

The DOJ is embarrassingly corrupt for even bringing this forward. Succeeding at even insinuating a crime might have happened, relies on proving that Trump made yearly payments to a legal LLC made for a specific purpose by Cohen, which worked to deal with several people who wanted paid, not as a long term retainer, but instead as a direct payment to Stormy Daniels, paid in monthly installments, but somehow at two or three times the cost and then some.

This is the most embarrassingly obvious abuse of the DOJ and it will not recover from its loss of public confidence.

Fiyanggu 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

They've been screwing with Trump non stop ever since he won the election. The establishment doesn't like being disrupted and they control the media which spins up whatever narrative they like. The real losers here are the American people, including the brainwashed ones who hate Trump because the media tells them to. The establishment doesn't want to have to rig another election so they're going after Trump on a bunch of nothing instead. The system is broken and they want it that way.

Raindeer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

I guess I am to busy paying bills to give a dollar.... Millionaire assholes. Put him in Irons!!! I am so sick of this bullshit!!! Fuck America and its clown groomed leaders!!! I live on the edge of Homeless in a third world cuntry called Washington state.... I KNOW WHAT I SAID... And here it comes..............

1Icemonkey 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Maybe Mt Rainier will explode and put you all out of your misery.

Raindeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

Oh that old folk tale, lol Sure

iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

LOL the top response is weissman saying tehre's finally justice... like jackass do you know what an indictment is or are you legit retarded or what

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handbananasrevenge 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 1 year ago

Is this what the ADL is spending its shekels on? Pathetic.

iamonlyoneman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

glow harder faggot

pattis 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

I just learned that the four colors of the Palestinian flag red white black and pale green are the colors of the four horses in the Christian Book of Revelations isn't that interesting

By the way the dirty names that you call me does not change what I am or am not it only shows me that your heart is filthy like a pig

I also learned that methanol I think that's what it's called it's race car fuel it burns invisibly which means that it is the Ultimate Weapon if it were put into a Super Soaker and shot it creates an invisible Flame

iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 1 year ago

I call you true names, like homosexual and glowie. Stop trying to incite peaceful trumplicans to violence