Where are all the conservative socialists in the West?

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I am not paying for it therefor it is free for me.

But it is not free and you are deluding yourself by using that language. How can you have an honest opinion if you are deluding yourself?

You need to come to grips with the fact that what you want is for someone else to take care of you the way your parents did when you were a kid. And you need to realize that what that means is that someone else is working harder than you to provide for you. It is inherently unjust. You are trying to justify it with claims that the money is coming from those who magically have it but don't work for it. That is a lie of convenience.

The reality is that rich people avoid taxes and the burden of taking care of you is foisted on people whos lives are significantly diminished because of the taxes they already pay let alone the massive tax hikes it would take to foster you. Which, by the way, would dwarf the benefit you could ever see because of the horrible inefficiency of government.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But it is not free and you are deluding yourself by using that language.

You are the one deluding yourself. Free is something you don't pay for. There is no other definition.

"working harder" Or is perhaps lucky. Regardless, we are all part of the same society and must provide for the less lucky. Those who want to hoard the wealth for themselves with delusional thoughts that they earned it themselves should to jail and lose their ill-gotten gains.

"The reality is that rich people avoid taxes" As I said, the US has a terrible taxation system. That is not an excuse to stop taxing at all. I would primarily tax corporations - not private individuals.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are the one deluding yourself.

Please explain how I am deluding myself because it sounds like your only argument here is "I'm rubber, you're glue".

When has anyone besides a thief used the word free to describe the stolen goods? Certainly the thief didn't pay for them. Why are they not free?

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't see how it is relevant. A thief breaks tho society's rules.