Vladimir Putin slams 'monstrous' West for teaching children they can change their gender, saying it is 'close to a crime against humanity

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    [–]Canbot 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    "Teaching" is probably an intentionally misleading translation by our (((media))). Obviously he is talking about propaganda. They may not be telling kids directly to be trans but they are lying to them about it, painting it as a good thing, and promising a windfall of good things like special treatment and attention if they do become trans.

    Putting preteens on hormone blockers is possibly the most horrendous thing anyone has ever done, and I do mean worse than genocides and rape. Even long time rape victims don't have a suicide rate as high as trans kids. It is a type of torture akin to PTSD, where the victim blames themselves for horrific things they can't take back.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    "Teaching" is probably an intentionally misleading translation by our (((media))).

    True. The Daily Mail is a terrible source and should be taken with as much salt as I put on my black-eyed peas.

    Obviously he is talking about propaganda.

    I considered that possibility, which is why I didn't want to take a firm stance on what the word meant. I don't speak Russian, so I cant just translate it for myself.

    Obviously he is talking about propaganda. They may not be telling kids directly to be trans but they are lying to them about it, painting it as a good thing, and promising a windfall of good things like special treatment and attention if they do become trans.

    Like with pronoun mandates, hate speech laws, etc. The elite also tend to fawn over LGBT people and the media has been using "first transgender" whatever to defend Levine from the nursing home scandal in PA (not the same as the one in NY).

    The media loves to pretend like blue states are utopias where LGBT people have it easy, while red states are these dystopian hell-holes where queer-folks get shot on sight. It's the same tactics cults use.

    Neither of these pictures are true; LGBT folks get attacked in places like New York, and having lived in deep-red Arkansas all my life — in a rural area that voted nearly 80% for Trump — I've never even been yelled at for being trans.

    The "trans murder epidemic" is a hoax. Most of the people on the trans day of remembrance list weren't murdered for being trans, and a lot of them weren't even murdered at all! It was debunked by a far-left trans-woman, of all people.

    Putting preteens on hormone blockers is possibly the most horrendous thing anyone has ever done, and I do mean worse than genocides and rape.

    I've never liked hormone blockers; it's child abuse and literally stunts their growth. You can't even know if you're actually transgender until you've hit puberty. Most kids who think their trans, or would think they're trans if the media got ahold of them, grow out of it before they're an adult.

    Even long time rape victims don't have a suicide rate as high as trans kids.

    It wouldn't be so high if people would quit bullying them. Now, trans kids need to realize that one guy calling you the wrong pronoun ain't the end of the world, but transphobes (for a lack of a better word) need to realize you can disagree while still being respectful. Most adults can respectfully disagree, but kids struggle with that — especially if their parents don't raise 'em right.

    For de-trans kids, that's entirely the fault of a broken system that doesn't know when to put on the brakes and tell them to hold up before they make a decision they might regret. Statistically, most don't, but enough do to warrant regulation — especially since stuff like SRS is permanent. The left calls it "transphobic," but it helps trans-folks in the end.

    It is a type of torture akin to PTSD, where the victim blames themselves for horrific things they can't take back.

    I basically just said this, but that's why I support age floors for stuff like SRS. Personally, I'll probably never have it, but there's a lot of folks who don't want to either, but end up doing it to get their gender marker changed or out of peer pressure (which is very strong in the "community," which, as I've said before, is a cult).

    [–]tyranicaloverlord 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    I would venture to say that people who are called transphobic are being mis-characterized. They are anti-trans. Using the suffix of phobia incorrectly irritates the shit out of me. However, I think you have the right sentiment which we don't see on social media. That being that we can disagree about the trans thing respectfully. I don't care if you want to dress and act as the opposite sex, however I do not have to accept you as the sex you want to choose to be. There is no rights being violated by having that opinion.

    Furthermore I find it strange that people who focus so much on saying that gender is a construct also use that same construct to define themselves. Do you find that to be odd?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    I would venture to say that people who are called transphobic are being mis-characterized. They are anti-trans. Using the suffix of phobia incorrectly irritates the shit out of me.

    Ah, yes, "anti-trans" is the word I was looking for. Seems obvious in hindsight.

    There is no rights being violated by having that opinion.

    Exactly! What is a human right, however, is freedom of speech — and the woke left wants to take that away. I don't think their goal is as shallow as banning opinions that offend them, but rather to use that as an excuse to normalize censorship and slowly usher in a dictatorship.

    First, they ban "hate speech," then they mandate pronouns, then they ban speaking out against abortion, then they ban criticism of the government. Everyone except the elite lose out in the end.

    Furthermore I find it strange that people who focus so much on saying that gender is a construct also use that same construct to define themselves. Do you find that to be odd?

    Everything about the cultural left is hypocritical and contradictory. They want to destroy traditional gender roles, while simultaneously trying to imitate them.

    I'm a lot more conservative than most LGBT folks, so I'm of the opinion that traditional gender roles should largely remain in-tact (obviously, stuff like female genital mutilation should be illegal, and women shouldn't be forced to wear Islamic clothing, but western culture doesn't have these flaws).

    If one defines gender as the way society expects men and women to dress and act: then perhaps it could be considered a social construct, but the reason leftists use such language is in order to justify its deconstruction — even though traditional gender roles benefit society, overall.

    I'm a descriptivist, which means I don't prescribe how words are to be used, I simply describe how they are used; this same logic applies to gender, as I'll consider someone to be masculine or feminine depending not upon how they label themself, but rather upon how well they fit into the traditional categories.

    In regards to sex, it's solely a biological label; someone is male if they have male anatomy, and female if they have female anatomy. Again, I describe people based not upon how they label themself, but upon how well they fit into the given categories.

    Naturally, I see sexual reassignment surgery as hypocritical, as the whole point of transgenderism is the notion that you don't have to have male or female anatomy to express yourself in a masculine or feminine manner.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    even though traditional gender roles benefit society, overall.

    They benefit women that is. The whole idea is that men take on all the burdens and responsibilities and sacrifices and are held to high expectations while pampering women and giving them the world and not expecting them to do anything they don't want to. The common retort is that "women have to be pregnant" except they don't have to get pregnant, and even if they did it's nothing compared to what men have to deal with every day.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Without women and the societal expectation to raise children, society would immediately collapse, because next no one would actually raise their kids — assuming they ain't all aborted, which is more likely under the ultra-liberal dystopia we're inching closer towards.

    Men and women also have different parenting styles, so even if they adopt: a child needs a mother and a father. Mothers tend to nurture their children and ensure they're happy and have all their needs met, while fathers tend to be more strict and ensure their children are self-reliant and moral — at least that's how it used to be, before gender roles were thrown out the window. A single parent or gay couple could fulfill both of these, but it's less likely.

    To conflate womanhood solely with raising children, however, is overly simplistic, as women are also expected to do other things, such as supporting their husbands and having certain behaviors and mannerisms that can be beneficial in the work-place, government, etc. In regards to politics, men tend to be strong leaders, while women tend to be more compassionate.

    These truths offend both the left and the right, because they're both so obsessed with hedonism that they want to destroy anything that stands in the way of temporary pleasure. Left-wingers don't want to be told to quit shooting up meth to go raise their kids, and right-wingers don't want to be told their children are more important than their wallet.

    I probably didn't explain that well, but whatever.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    No, it's just that you shouldn't be forced to be a certain way simply for being male or female. That's in many cases being forced to pretend you're something you're not, and do things you hate. And it really seems to me that the vast majority of this burden falls on males, and males also get the negative roles too while females get the positive ones. It makes sense that nearly every supporter of rigid gender roles I know of is a woman, even though they are sexist. Because contrary to popular belief I think sexism is far worse against men than women.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    No, it's just that you shouldn't be forced to be a certain way simply for being male or female.

    I'm literally trans.

    And it really seems to me that the vast majority of this burden falls on males, and males also get the negative roles too while females get the positive ones. It makes sense that nearly every supporter of rigid gender roles I know of is a woman, even though they are sexist.

    You obvious don't know very many men.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Whether someone is trans is irrelevant.