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Sweden Shocks Europe: Abandons 'Unstable' Green Energy Agenda, Returns to Nuclear Power(redstate.com)

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clownworlddropout 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun 10 months ago

Props to Sweden for reversing course when they realized they got it wrong.

JennyG 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/JewishGoddesses/

package 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun 10 months ago

Inb4 sabotage by environmental activists

GuyWhite 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

This is the first intelligent thing to come out of Sweden in ages.

Now if only they could get rid of all the shit skins and sand niggers that are ruining that country.

[deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

sand niggers 😂😂

Newmug 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Sweden is such a shitshow. Their Viking ancestors would be turning in their graves.

Gravi 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun 10 months ago

I'm nuclear.... I'm wild!

Good job, nuclear is good because it's green!

[deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 10 months ago

Good. They can still save themselves. A shit ton of nuclear power, and start moving cities underground.

Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Why do we have to move underground?

[deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Seems comfortable. Lol.

Permenant AC and heating. Dark. I can hibernate.

sproketboy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 10 months ago

"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was unavailable for comment." ROFL

Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Sweden Shocks Europe:

I bet Germany wasn't shocked in any literal sense.

They're a serious bunch, and there's an energy shortage in Germany.

They don't have the electricity squander on trivial reactions.

rrzibot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

It is not that nuclear power is not "green". It is that it is not safe.

And the whole article is filled with insults for people, which really degrades it's "quality"

ageingrockstar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Most, potentially all, countries will transition to batteries + solar + wind over the medium term (20 to 50 years)

But it needs to be done sensibly and not by 'throwing out the baby with the bath water'. Furthermore, some countries are poorer cases for early transition than others. Sweden was never a good prospect for an early transition, particularly for solar. And while nuclear fission will continue to be problematic and too expensive, Sweden as a country is one where it is less problematic (being geologically stable and with a fairly sophisticated technological base).

JennyG 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Try to run this on solar panels and batteries.

https://youtu.be/TT3K67kZnqE

Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Or rockets or planes or vehicles of war.

JennyG 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun 10 months ago

If you could run cargo ships and semi trucks on nuclear power and it was clean and there was no risk of environmental damage because of a meltdown or other such catastrophe, then we might have a solution.

Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

I don't think a nuclear meltdown on a ship would pose too high a risk of environmental damage unless it happened in a harbor.

If you're out in the deep sea and the core melts down the water is gonna cool it off quickly and the amount of water will block the radiation from reaching the surface in any meaningful amount.

Issues of radioactive water is a concern but the ocean is so large it's about as concerning as pissing into the ocean. It's a problem if literally everyone does it all the time. If it happens once who cares.

ageingrockstar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Noticeably you didn't mention wind (which, of course, is what powered cargo ships for thousands of years).

Here's a good treatment of the current state of the art of new wind powered cargo ship tech :

Why Wind Power Ships May Be The Future of Transportation

JennyG 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

I'm a complete amateur beginner sailor. Do you have any idea how much weight one single shipping container is? Do you see how many shipping containers there are on a typical cargo ship? You are not going to power one of these massive cargo ships with hundreds of shipping containers by using wind power.

You also are not going to run semi trucks that carry cargo using wind power.

Old cargo ships that were powered by wind carried very small cargo payload.

Wind power is completely useless to power cargo carrying ships or trucks.

ageingrockstar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Just earnt a block, as you didn't even bother watching the video I supplied you with (and which you were welcome to properly argue against)

Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Why do you think the transition to batteries, wind, and solar is inevitable? There's some serious issues with that tech. It's unreliable, relies on dirty strip mining by child slaves, needs replacing every decade or so, is prone to failure, and charging even a personal vehicle takes hours. It can't run rockets, planes, or military vehicles.

Us peons are gonna be stuck riding our eScooters and eating bugs while rich fucks still jet around on their personal jets and enjoy steak.

Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

I think the transition over to nuclear is inevitable at long timescales. Batteries, wind solar etc will be part of that but all are situational and ineffecient. The downsides of nuclear are that it's expensive to set up and requires a lot of regulative oversight but even considering that once you get it started it generates a ton of electricity from an extremely small amount of fuel.

Oil will continue to be a sought after resource, they can try to make it undesirable through legislation but they can't go so far with it. Eventually people will revolt. But oil in the long term is not going to remain a viable power source simply because it's going to slowly get more and more expensive to get it since it doesn't replenish itself.

I suspect you'll see future tech being primarily nuclear with ethenol production used for those places it is impractical like a car.

ageingrockstar 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun 10 months ago

It's unreliable, relies on dirty strip mining by child slaves, needs replacing every decade or so, is prone to failure, and charging even a personal vehicle takes hours

Come back to me when you've disabused yrself of this propaganda

Musky 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

Uh huh, sounds like a concession to me.

ageingrockstar 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun 10 months ago

I'm not going to do the intellectual work for you, that's on you. All five points you trotted out are easily disproven if you put the effort in to properly investigate them.

cant_even 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 10 months ago

...as long as their "sophisticated technological base" doesn't flee the country to avoid the "migrants and asylum-seekers".