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[deleted] 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun 4 years ago

Do you guys really want to keep tying the conservative bandwagon to the raging dumpster fire on wheels that is trump? Seems like a pretty fucking dumb idea

[deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

trump, a long time democrat and pal of clinton. I do think we got played with him and Q is meant to give excuses for why trump does nothing. It was nice in 2016 to celebrate but it was also nice in 2008 for liberals to celebrate when Obama won but then he sold out on every issue over the course of years. Politicians always lie and only help the rich. This repeats all thru history but people live and die and forget and historians usually don't report on it. Truth is we're all keyboard warriors now and we will never "stand together against the left" nor the right. Revolutions only happen when people are hungry in their stomach.

Rationalmind 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Obama didn’t sell out, he was exactly what you’d expect. He and HRC had almost identical views and policy positions. Obama never ran on a progressive platform. His marketing of the campaign was “hope” and “change,” but that was only aspirational. If you looked at his record, it was clear he was an establishment neoliberal Democrat. I think what amazes me now is when people talk about Obama like he was such a good president. Obama was a very average president with decent speaking skills.

[deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Any actual leftists will very quickly and openly criticize Obama for the same reasons

Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

The Neocons did like Obama. But the Iran Deal was cool and he had some things to say about the corrupt nature of Israel even though he did the exact opposite.

[deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

obama sold out on every issue, unprecedented in modern politics, this is why occupy wall st started up. But if you criticized obama you got called racist so it was tricky and they never mentioned him but it was obvious. His cabinet was run by goldman sachs, aka wall st.

Now of course trump is the second straight president who has sold out on every issue, demoralizing his base, although Q helps keep their spirits up, a way to cope, no one likes being told they were duped. Mainly older folks vote republican and that is more painful for them to realize they were duped, they don't have much more time left on this earth so they are loath to start over politically, starting a new movement, they would rather believe a savior from within has a plan to do it for them. Young people dropped out of politics en masse after obama and voted more for third parties like jill stein. That hurt Hilay's chances. Biden soon to lose due to this phenomenon, Obama really killed the democratic party for a generation, but it runs in cycles and new voters who are unaware of what happened are becoming 18 every year.

bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

The idea that Trump is a 'dumpser fire' is far from an universal one. Lots of people think he's awesome.

[deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun 4 years ago

I guess many Americans were raised by abusive narcissist parents, that's really sad :(

bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

projection, much

whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

I think there are quite a few people who have an opinion of him that is somewhere in the middle. Thinking that the whole "orange man bad" thing is completely insane doesn't mean your opinion of the guy is a direct opposite of that attitude.

konoplya 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

i'll literally take papa john's coke and hookers in the white house as opposed to any leftist. so yeah. trump 2020

[deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun 4 years ago

You do know corporations are destroying your jobs, not immigrants... right? Aka establishment Republicans and conservatives who run these businesses.

[deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

corps and immigrants both working together to "take our jorbs"

if we halt immigration corporations have less of a chance to do that, of course they will still outsource jobs out, need to also make that illegal, sending any jobs out of the country must mean tariffs on their goods. This is a leftwing economic viewpoint.

[deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

Which jobs of ours are immigrants taking that we want? Are you talking about h1b1 visas? Or illegal immigrants?

konoplya 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

where did i say anything remotely about immigration in my comment that i'm worried about?

Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Trump has let in more immigrants than Clinton who was quite tough on immigration. Deportee in chief Obama also deported far more than Trump.

How bout that wall?

konoplya 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

he deported less because there's less illegals coming in that require deportation. the wall is actually working as intended buddy.

Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

The DNC must be very happy with you. Your blanket statements of blame, are exactly the tactics they implement.

Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

It isn't a bad idea for Zionists.

MIGA

[deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

lol