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saidit can be sexist, racist,bigoted,anti-semetic homo/trans/islamo/xenophobic....but damn if it's not honest.(self)

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Canbot 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun 2 years ago

It is NOT possible to talk about race realism and NOT be called a racist.

Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 2 years ago

Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun - 11 hours ago It is NOT possible to talk about race realism and NOT be called a racist.

Oh true. I forgot people could call people who are not racists racist

Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 2 years ago

You also forgot that it is an opinion no matter how you slice it. So when you say that you can do x and not be racist that isn't necessarily true. That can only be true if there is an agreed upon definition of racist, and agreement on the limitation of that definition.

However, it is YOUR opinion that some people are racist when they talk about race realism. Why is your opinion more valid than anyone else's? Why is the line of where racism starts set by you?

Being racist is so subjective as to be a meaningless thing. I find that everyone who objects to other's racism is really racist themselves but against a different group. It is thier membership in an opposing ideology that determines thier objection, not really a trait of the other person.

For example those who believe that most people who talk about race realism are racist won't admit that affirmative action and CRT are racist. While those who get pissed off about affirmative action generally deny that blacks have to deal with many consequences of the poor reputation of thier race.

Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 2 years ago

That can only be true if there is an agreed upon definition of racist

Basing thoughts, opinions, or actions on race. It's difficult to do otherwise if one accepts the concept of race, as the definition of racism explains.

racism: the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities

If you believe joggers have dark skin and kinky black hair, you're a racist exhibiting racism. If you think you can identify an east Asian by their straight black hair and squinty eyes, same deal.

And so, anyone who acknowledges actual reality is 'a racist', by definition.

Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

And so, anyone who acknowledges actual reality is 'a racist', by definition.

That is YOUR definition of racism, and at least you recognize that it is so broad as to literally include everyone who isn't absolutely retarded. But even denying reality does not exempt you from being racist under that umbrella. One can have opinions about group characteristics entirely removed from reality.

It is an entirely useless definition, and it is used by those who disingenuously use claims of racism as weapons because they can simply use it against anyone at any time and use that definition as justification.

There are other, better definitions. For example using group chricteristics to judge individuals when evidence exists that those characteristics don't apply to that individual.

[deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

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Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

By YOUR definition. Which likely is so broad as to be meaningless. People who use that kind of definition are usually hypocrites who are inconsistent on what the definition is or when it is applied.

I don't see what is racist about acknowledging the scientifically proven fact that there is an intelligence difference between racial groups. As long as one does not claim that this proves any one individual is smarter than another based solely on membership in a group.