What Russia Wants From Its Invasion of Ukraine—and Why Zelensky Is Evil

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[–]restlessincanada 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

ive been searching the internet for an explanation that makes sense for days. so far this is the best ive heard. really hoping that people will realize that nato is dangerous and has been working to create war and crisis for decades. the single greatest threat to world peace is nato.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

the single greatest threat to world peace is nato.

how?

[–]restlessincanada 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

nato has doubled in size since the cold war ended expanding into eastern europe and along the russia border while the ussr has all but disapeared. the main deterrent at the end of the cold war for war and nuclear war between the superpowers was the promise of mutual destruction. but if nato is able to completely surround russia and build military bases and missile sites all along the russian border that deterrent will dissapear and leave russia at the mercy of america and its allies in western europe. russia does not want to live at the mercy of america and its allies in western europe anymore then america and its allies in western europe want to live at the mercy of russia, and russia does want america and western europe building military bases and missle sites along its borders anymore then america and its allies in western europe want russia building military bases and missile sites along thier borders. its not hard to see if you are making an honest effort that nato is the aggressor here and has been the aggressor for some time now. russia is reacting now to the expansion of nato the same way america reacted the the expansion of the ussr when it tried to force its way into cuba. nato should do now what the ussr did then, withdraw and begin slowly to dissolve so that the world is not forced to the brink of nuclear war a third time if we manage to avoid disaster here.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

but if nato is able to completely surround russia

Do you know how big country Russia is?

nato is the aggressor here

Are you actually fucking kidding me?

nato should do now what the ussr did then, withdraw and begin slowly to dissolve so that the world is not forced to the brink of nuclear war a third time if we manage to avoid disaster here.

Nah. As a citizen of a Central/Eastern European country I'm glad we are in NATO and if the Russian bear dares to put his nose where it doesn't belong, we'll kick his ass.

[–]restlessincanada 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

i think maybe nato is sticking its nose where it doesnt belong and whatever central european counrty you belong to you have no chance in this fight. the american people would be forced to kick its ass at a great cost to the people and soley for the benifit of a government that no longer serves the people. the fight for a pretend democracy in the ukrain is not worth the cost. let people who want freedom fight for it and secure it for themselves. i would not leave my family to fight and die for nothing on the otherside of the planet so that migrants who wont fight for themselves can take my place here.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

pretend democracy in the ukrain

What do you mean by "pretend democracy"?

let people who want freedom fight for it and secure it for themselves

That's what they're doing right now.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Those countries in Eastern Europe asked to be in NATO because of Russian aggression. In what way is that NATO sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong?

You really think those people in Eastern Europe are on the level of serfs who are owned by Russia and should have no rights of their own?

And, yeah, no one's asking you to fight. Is that what this is really about, you own fear for your insignificant life? Well the Ukrainians are fighting but still you'd happily throw them under the bus to cover up your own cowardice with whataboutery. Can't have them make you look in the mirror and get bad feelz, better to pretend they are evil.

[–]restlessincanada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

maybe you need to stop projecting so much and learn to make arguments and accept or reject arguments based on merit and not how it makes you feel. i do not pretend that ukrainians are evil nor do i pretend that russians are evil. i have no more desire to kill russians then i do to kill ukrainians and i have no desire to police the rest of the world in the name of a government that does not respect my own rights. and yes if ukrain is calling for nato to fight, and they are, then they are calling on me to fight.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Cope