All: Disclosure and Consent

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

We all define our sexualities differently. For some, sexuality is attraction based biological sex. For others, it's attraction based on gender presentation. Each persons sexual orientation should be respected. If someone says they're straight, they're straight. If someone says they're gay, they're gay. If someone says they're bi, they're bi. Some lesbians are attracted to women AMAB and some gay men are attracted to men AFAB. It doesn't lessen their homosexuality.

Trans men are men, but butch women aren't men. Trans women are women, but effeminate men are not women.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Sexuality is not self-identification, we born this way, we can't change it, even if we try. And oh I tried.

Sexualities are descriptive terms, don't be so homophobic. If someone have two hands but says they have three, they still have two. Numbers are descriptive as well. If there two - there two, if there three - there three. If someone likes both sexes, they are automatically bisexual. And there nothing bad in that. It is okay to be bisexual. I wish I was.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

If someone says "I'm gay" or "I'm straight", do you tell them "no, you're bisexual"?) You just don't do that.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If someone is attracted to both males and females - they are bisexual, regardless of what they say. If someone is attracted only to same sex as they are - they are homosexual, regardless of what they say. If someone is attracted only to opposite sex - they are heterosexual, regardless of what they say.

It is same as numbers. It is just describing what there is, it is not identity or something social, it just describes something that exist or happening. If animal likes to have sex with both males and females - that animal will be called bisexual, why humans are receiving different treatment? Humans are very special only in religions, but in reality we are not that different from other animals.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

But I am attracted to males only. Cis males and trans males.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

First of all, I was not speaking about you personally. It is signs of narcissism to take general as personal, try to avoid such behaviour, as in most cases it is just not true.

Second of all, you wrote you like transmen, not trans males. Trans males are transwomen. Male is biological sex and objective reality, while "gender" man/woman (by GI side) is socially constructed and can be changed. So do not conflate sex and gender together, they are different things.

It is impossible to communicate, when you are changing definitions of words you are using from post to post.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

I use the term males to refer to trans men. I use AMAB or natal males to refer to cis men. Being attracted to one gender makes you monosexual.

[–]ausernamee 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a monosexual heterosexual trans man. That describes being attracted to amabs and doesn't imply anything about those amab's gender.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you are doubling down on conflating sex and gender? Then it will be impossible to discuss anything with you, as it will be like discussing with scientology cultist, when they have different meanings for same words, so they understand you completely differently.

Sexuality is about sex, not about gender identity or gender presentation. Saying it is about gender identity is homophobic and it is one of main pressure points of homophobic societies today and century ago. In USSR it was one of big points on pressure, which still haunts me even today, and why I tried to escape being lesbian and to become bisexual, I even married a man trying to convert myself (really great man, one of the best I've ever met, we are still friends with him).

[–]Juniperius 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If transmen were male they wouldn't have to trans.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is the difference between someone who is male and someone who is AMAB?

[–]ausernamee 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A trans man is a female. That's a lesbain relationship if you're female.

Straight would be when you're attrcated to cis men, trans women, and amab nonbinaries.