GC: Do you think saying things like "a man looks like/passes as a woman" or "a woman looks like/passes as a man" will lead to any issues? And what issues will they lead to?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the only reason tras object to “dude looks like a lady”/“lady looks like a dude” comments is because it proves and reinforces the idea that humans instinctively understand sexed features. So if this guy in the band can be a man who looks like a woman, what does that say for transwomen, even if they pass? What does that mean for any trans person? What about the enbies?

As far as your friend who brought up misgendering- they didn’t. At all.they didn’t “gender” him whatsoever. They knew his sex. They said he looked like the other sex. There’s no such thing as a gender called “woman”- I really wish tras could acknowledge this. Something else tras need to understand is that features are sexed, not gendered. That’s why they’re called primary/secondary sexed features (hair I guess could be somewhat gendered but plenty of men have long hair and a pixie cut on a female is not much different from a short cut on a guy. Bobs. Bobs could be an exception? Never seen a man with a bob. Idk. Not the point).

Side note- really wish you’d post something about your views or engage more, otherwise it’s starting to look like trolling.

[–]MissDimples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well I did post about my view before if you paid more attention: https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/70fm/gc_thoughts_on_xenogenders_and_neopronouns_why/

I don't have to directly go scream that I'm on the fence about things, the questions would give it away or I wouldn't ask them in the first place.

If hair, and other features are sexed, you're saying a man that has less body and facial hair than other men, is shorter, has bobs (yes men have bobs, where are you from that you think only women have bobs?), etc looks like a woman? Lmfao, so a woman that has more body and facial hair than this man, is taller than this man, etc is less of a woman and looks like a man? Good joke. Are you here to prove to me GC don't know what they are taking about either?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wtf nobody said go scream anything? Multiple people here have said something about you posting comments made by other people and then not commenting or barely replying to the people who respond. When you post something here, we shouldn’t have to go read your history on another post to figure out your stance. Everyone else, gc or qt, knows how to reply and offer their own opinion. You just share other people’s comments and then ask gc how we feel about it. You don’t respond. You come across like an internet troll. Several people have said this lol.

Also “if you read” I literally said hair can be gendered lol ans that I’d never personally seen a man with a bob. You can say they’re out there, I have no reason to doubt it, but I still have not ever seen it for myself.

I didn’t say that a woman with facial hair was less of a woman or even that she looks like a man. “If you read” I mentioned sex characteristics. That humans can recognize. And that hair was “gendered”. I didn’t say shit about height or body hair. I didn’t specify what characteristics I was referring to so you should maybe ask for clarification (which would require you to actually actively participate in your own posts so I’m not surprised you didn’t) before you make assumptions. I also didn’t say that someone having the typical sexed features of the opposite sex made them less their own sex or more the opposite. I said “if you read,” that humans recognize sexed features. So yes, humans can recognize when someone has a physical feature that is typically associated with the opposite sex. And they can recognize that a human of one sex is still that sex despite having features of the opposite. We can do this, because we understand how sex works- and it doesn’t rely on secondary features. Primary is primary because it stands on its own. Just as the people in your post did. It was literally my whole fucking point.

Are you here to prove that you’re an ineffective troll?