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[–]transwomanHesitantly QT?[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for you input! Things like skeletal structure are something that probably won't ever be able to change, and it would certainly be easier to just create a whole human from scratch at that point. Also I agree that in a gendered society something like socialization can not be medically/scientifically created, unless we start talking about transhumanism and what that could mean for human conciousness. Just curious, but do you think that in a genderless society (or a society without gendered socialization) that someone who undergoes a medical/surgical process to "become" female is just as female as someone who was born female from birth? Or do you think, on some level, there's a kind of "sexed socialization" that would exist outside of gendered socialization which in turn would make them very different?

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Will they live through their first menstruation in age of 8-10? Will they live though puberty and feel pain of growing up, male gaze and being sexualized? And other things I only know from my women friends experience. You will be different person if you skip that all. Imagine yourself being put into capsule to sleep in 10 years and then waking up when you are 20. You will be just 10 years old in a different unknown body. However, technically they will be a woman, just without the experience of a woman prior to this point, and without understanding of some women talks.

[–]transwomanHesitantly QT?[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That makes a lot of sense to me. I do think we should establish a difference between gendered socialization and sexed socialization, however.

Things such as menstruation at a young age and puberty would likely fit into the category of sexed socialization that could never be eradicated from society, simply because it's based in biological processes. Things such as the male gaze and being sexualized would likely fit into the category of gendered socialization, which could eventually be eradicated by eliminating patriarchal structures and combating toxic masculinity.

I think I agree that even in a genderless society, we would still notice key differences in someone who got a "complete" sex change from male to female compared to someone who is female from birth, just based on biologically based factors of sexed socialization.