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motss-pb 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Regarding the blue and pink flags for gay men and lesbians, I'm of the mind that we should unequivocally reject these flags and remove them altogether. Honestly, they belong in the same category as the progress pride flag. We really need to be more aware of how every aspect of gay culture has been modified within the past few years to align with gender ideology. It's not just the corruption of our history and the language we use to describe ourselves. It applies to our symbols as well.

When people start telling you that gay men and lesbians are now represented by blue and pink gender-coded flags that originated on tumblr, that didn’t exist ten years ago, and that have no historical significance, you should be skeptical. Is it coincidence that both these flags have a white stripe in the middle just like the trans flag? No it is not. Please ditch these flags.

Pride is coming up, what's the most innocuous LGB quote I could have that wouldn't get me immediately kicked out?
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"Homosexuality is Sin ... sational!"

"Vagitarian"

A picture of Storme DeLarverie with the caption "how it started" and then a "how it's going" arrow pointed at the person wearing the shirt

European Lesbian Conference :p
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Lesbian visibility, eh? Where's the lesbian in this picture? She's either hiding behind that man with the ponytail or she's the one holding the camera.

Had a thought about a comparison to a previous trend of how gay pop culture spawned the queer trend.
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I have a theory that it goes all the way back to Stonewall. No, Stonewall was not the start of the Gay Rights movement, but it may have been the point where we were assimilated into the larger Counterculture movement.

The same movement that spawned identities such as beatnik, hippie, freak, punk, goth, and emo reinvented itself in the 2010s as queer. If you think about it, even the rainbow flag is more of a counterculture symbol, having been used previously as both an antiwar peace symbol and in the Civil Rights movement's Rainbow Coalition.

Once gay marriage became legalized in western countries, gay people fell out of favor with the counterculture movement. Counterculture has since moved on to trans issues.

Censorship Thursday - share your sub bans here!
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Got banned from r/politics for hate. I referred to Lia Thomas as a male.

If only we hadn’t closed all the maximum security insane asylums this might be avoidable
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I wish I didn't look up that username on reddit. This person is a 27 year old MTF transperson and is not the biological parent of this kid. Here's one of his recent posts:

I've been working with a group of mostly teens/young adults, many finding themselves not accepted by their parents and struggling to find themselves. I'll spare the bummer details, but one person in the group has been coming to me a lot of the love, support, and advice that their family just... refuses to give.

They finally have the chance to strike out on their own, but feel stuck, and dependant on their family. But well... I offered my home as something as a midpoint, show that they have other options. Things have escalated from there and...

They called me mom.

And I'm... adopting them.

So, he convinced a kid to leave home and move in with him and now they're both referring to themselves as "it". Am I reading this right? This is grooming behavior.

"they are obsessed with dick", "d*ck lovers should just call themselves d*ck lovers instead of calling themselves gay"
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I can't wait until the day when the TRAs get their way and I'm expected to refer to myself as a queer cocksucker. And if I refuse, then I'm the bigot.

"Transgender carpenter hoping to build safer workplaces for queer tradies"
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"After initially studying and pursuing a career in performing arts, Mr Rizk, a talented musician and singer, changed tack and gravitated towards a career as a carpenter several years after transitioning"

She didn't change tack. She's still pursuing a career in performing arts.

Would this be transohomophobia or homotransophobia?
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She's racking her brain trying to make sense of her life, when every word she uses to describe her gender or sexuality is opposite to reality. It's as if she's trying to read a book that's been turned upside down. When you turn the book the right way around, the translation is simple. Straight woman feels like she doesn't fit in with a group of lesbians.

So it is meaningless in the end, huh?
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Wait until you find out that there are people who are gay and trans

We are aware. The people who are actually gay and trans don't want to be thought of as gay. They want to be thought of as "straight" and would rather castrate themselves than accept their own homosexuality. Christine Jorgensen was a gay trans person who denied his own homosexuality and called it a "horrible illness of the mind".

A Classic Text from the Pre-Colonization days of 1993
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http://australianhumanitiesreview.org/1996/07/01/on-global-queering/

According to Dennis Altman, the "queering" of gay and lesbian studies had already begun by 1993. Among the authors listed on the cover of that book are Gayle Rubin, Eve Sedgwick, and Judith Butler (major authors of queer theory).

much of what has become known as ‘queer theory’ appears remarkably unaware of the history and writings of gay liberation, which is sometimes depicted as essentialist, despite a body of gay liberation work which explicitly drew on Freudian notions of polymorphous perversity.16 By 1995, I could read an honours thesis which spoke as if such notions had never occurred to anyone in the gay movement and were the discovery of French intellectuals writing ten years after the early debates in the sexual liberation movements. Even as carefully produced a book as the massive Lesbian & Gay Studies Reader(Routledge 1993, edited by Henry Abelove, Michele Barale and David Halperin) managed to find no room in its 666 pages for a discussion of the gay/lesbian movement nor of politics understood in the mainstream sense of institutions, elections, organisations and lobbying.

In his own words, the founding president of what is now known as WPATH, explains the rationale behind TransTheGayAway
motss-pb[S] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

In the documentary "What Sex am I?" (1985), there is an interview with Clifford, a 35 year old gay man who came from a religious fundamentalist family.

"A gay man desperately running from his homosexuality. He tried to resolve his conflict by becoming a woman"

He went to a gender clinic and was castrated (his penis was also removed). The documentary then notes

"Therapists find that 9 out 10 patients, who think they are transsexuals, decide not to go through with the surgery (...) Clifford tried to get legal classification as a mutilated male in order to obtain state aid for the $20,000 necessary for reconstructive surgery. His request was denied"

No homo tho
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"Queer" twitter lost their shit when Pete and Chasten didn't want to do a photo op in front of a stripper pole. For any other candidate that decision would have been totally understandable. Why not for Pete? Because he's gay and apparently you aren't gay enough unless you're sliding down a pole in a gay club.

To quote the Daily Show, “it sounds like the takeaway of this conversation should be, ‘if Buttigieg does not eat his husband’s ass on live TV, he’s not gay enough for me.'”

This post is a mess.
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Maybe she fetishizes homosexual relationships. And now that she sees herself as a man, her attraction to women doesn't seem quite as gay to her anymore, so she lost interest.

r/gaytransguys - “Appropriating” gay culture
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They just throw around words with no regard to their meaning. It's part of their gas-lighting DARVO strategy. If you call them out on their homophobia, they'll just deny it and call you transphobic and homophobic instead. But they have no say in what is or isn't homophobic, because they aren't gay and they don't experience homophobia. This is the same subreddit where they get euphoric over getting called the f-slur or giving each other "the f-slur pass" because it validates their identity.

"Homosexuality" is now an ironic statement
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Finish that thought. The people who call us queer unironically are homophobes and ...

Is this a "trans-identified" man claiming to be a "lesbian" or a "trans-identified" woman claiming to be a "gay man", because I'm confused-
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Unlike actual men and women, transmen and transwomen like to refer to themselves as "boys" and "girls" respectively. My guess would be that this person is a trans-identified, possibly non-binary female. I picture her to be a straight woman who collects labels for herself. In this example, it seems like she's seeking permission to identify as both a lesbian and a gay man at the same time. In reality, she is neither.

I feel like these types of screenshots should be collected and sold as a puzzle book where you flip to the last page to see the answers.

You believe homosexuality is real? Well, here's a bonus of "You gotta believe transgenderism is, too!" Don't be picky now!
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Homosexuality is an observable reality. It doesn't require faith. We can observe homosexuality as a pattern of exclusively choosing same-sex sexual partners. It occurs in other animal species besides humans. Arousal to same-sex stimuli can also be observed.

The only observable thing about transgenderism would be gender dysphoria. We can say that there are people who experience psychological distress or discomfort about their sex and that they wish to become or be seen as the opposite sex.

Gender identity, however, is not an observable reality and neither is the belief that TWAW or TMAM. No scientific test exists that can identify a "female brain" trapped in a male body. Claiming that a male can identify as female is pure ideology and there is no analogous concept within the gay rights movement.

Mansplaining why gender ideology must now trump biological sex and sexuality
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https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1458827121414094855?t=_5b2RdwUBc4DfD9andZWkQ&s=19

Is this him on Twitter trying to educate Bev Jackson (a founding member of the UK Gay Liberation Front in 1970) about how "transwoman" Marsha P Johnson started pride? He cites wikipedia. The nerve of this man.

We MUST include the P in the alphabet soup apparently
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it doesn't matter whether something is a choice or not

I think when you depict homosexuality as a choice, you invite the homosexuality = bigotry argument. Why can't lesbians simply choose to like dick? Choices can be influenced by bigotry. Even if all that matters is whether harm is caused or not, we now have a debate over whether homosexuality is inherently harmful (i.e. the TRA argument of how same-sex attraction is bigotry)

We MUST include the P in the alphabet soup apparently
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I think the immutability argument is still important. I certainly don't want to be subjected to conversion therapy just because people think conversion is possible. I also don't want homosexuality to be misunderstood as a choice because people assign moral values to choices. It should be understood for what it is - an innate immutable quality that causes no harm.

I don't know to what extent pedophilia is innate or immutable, but the fact that it causes harm is what sets it apart from sexual orientation. It is a paraphilia, not a sexual orientation. Pedo activists and homophobes alike are both motivated to blur the lines between sexual orientation and paraphilia, even though the difference is obvious.

Diary of a salty, homophobic genderspecial.
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So the author is giving a misleading definition of bioessentialism and it actually means the same thing as gender essentialism. What is the correct term for the gender critical position? Sex essentialism?