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JulienMayfair 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

One thing I've learned over the last 30+ years about civil rights work is that the people who do the work and the people who claim to have done the work are often two quite different sets of people. For example, in college, I and three others co-founded the first public Gay & Lesbian organization on campus. We advertised our meetings, and a successor to that organization still exists (although now taken over by TQ+). I had my picture on the front of the school newspaper protesting ROTC's policy of kicking out students if they found out they were gay.

But when the school started doing an LGBT history project ten years ago, no one knew our names at all. All the paperwork related to us had been lost.

One thing that Sargeant fails to mention is the story that when Rivera learned that people like Duberman and Carter were rigorously researching Stonewall, he tried to get others who'd been there when it started to lie and say he'd been there -- because it was Rivera who'd gradually been inflating his own activist résumé over the intervening decades. He knew he'd be caught.

Rivera does deserve some credit for trying to help gay street kids, but, as Sargeant points out, it was a short-lived shit-show. And there were other people in the gay community helping street kids at the time who don't get any credit.

Add to that the fact that Rivera was obviously mentally-ill. He couldn't even take care of himself. Anyone who's seen any film footage of interviews with him should be able to suss that out pretty easily. All the relatively normal, average people with jobs who worked for Gay Rights . . . we're just not interesting enough.

But Rivera checks the right boxes, so the current generation will give him credit. It's the story they've been told is the right kind of story.

verytiredverygay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

All the relatively normal, average people with jobs who worked for Gay Rights . . . we're just not interesting enough.

Sadly happens all the time. Lots of people who do the "boring", behind the scenes work that's most important of all often don't get proper credit compared to the people who do relatively little but are clever at making themselves visible. It's pretty frustrating, and I'm not sure what the solution is.

xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth)[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

Te left in America has fetishized the act of protest, they think nothing gets done without it, when in reality its the boring suit and tie advocacy that gets things changed.

Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

That was actually really interesting in that I had no clue that the mafia was using gay underworld problems in NYC as a money making machine. It does make lots of sense but I'm still a bit surprised that the mafia was willing to have it's name on pedo magazines.

verytiredverygay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

I was surprised too. I suppose in hindsight it's not that surprising; the Mafia cares about money more than anything else and if taking advantage of vulnerable boys is profitable, it's no worse than the other crimes they're involved in, and the Mafia can keep them at arm's length to protect their image and claim any dealings are simply a matter of business...

JulienMayfair 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

I honestly thought that the mafia angle was pushed a bit too hard in the article. The real story of Rivera is how a narcissistic self-promoter's aims ended up dovetailing with the needs of people trying to push a particular identity politics narrative, resulting in Rivera's accomplishments getting amplified, while the work of others who did more is muted.

automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

RIP Snappy, I AM THE NEW GOD!

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