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For QT: Why is gender identity different than religion in social protocols?(self)

35 points34 points37 points submitted by divingrightintowork

MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

gender abolition would change all of society, in theory.

I don't think anyone "gender critical" thinks the abolition of the sex stereotypes and other sexist ideas and beliefs that constitute "gender" is a realistic or achievable end goal. Or, for that matter, even a desirable one. We are arguing against forcing everyone in society to have to accept and adhere to the strict, deeply regressive and sexist sex stereotypes that genderists hold dear. And we are against the basic tenet of Genderology which says that whether a human being is male or female, boy or girl, man or woman, is not determined by the person's biology, but by his or her level of perceived "masculinity" or "femininity" and which - if any - sex stereotypes he or she hews to and prefers.

Most people who are "gender critical" are not saying that genderists should not be allowed to have their sexist beliefs and to cleave to sexist sex stereotypes and judge themselves and others by sexist standards. We just don't think their sexist beliefs, stereotypes and standards should be imposed on all of society, forced down children's throats and made into the de facto state religion that everyone is expected to follow and no one is allowed to challenge.

divingrightintowork[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun 3 years ago

bravo - I've been saying that I'm not really GC or TRA, but I'm a liberalist... and it's the negative rights of GC/RF aligned people that are being most trampled right now, whereas TRAs are demanding highly undue positive "rights" which are really more like privileges.

theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun 2 years ago

I'm a liberalist

Do you have any links to a definition?

Does this mean you do or don't identify as a feminist? What have you got against gender critical feminism?

divingrightintowork[S] 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun 2 years ago

Sure! At a glance this seems to be an ok description of it - https://www.liberalcurrents.com/liberalism-article-paul-crider/ Current liberalists I enjoy are people like Helen Pluckrose, Jonathan Haidt, Greg Lukianoff, Jonathan Rauch... The ACLU, circa 1978 was a liberal (as in liberalist) institution. Let me know if this helps. The word feminist is too meaningless to really mean much to me at this point, but if you can tell me what it means to you, I Can tell you if I'm a feminist by your definition :)

theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun 2 years ago

OK but that's still quite general in regard to gender or feminism.

Obviously I understand liberal and feminism can mean different things. I'd see you cannot identify as a liberal feminist because of it's common relationship to trans politics.

But why not radical feminist?

How essentialist are you?