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For QT: Why is gender identity different than religion in social protocols?(self)

35 points34 points37 points submitted by divingrightintowork

loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

There seems to be a drastic difference in what the trans community expects/demands from the rest of society and how other cultures who have “gender variant minorities” include them. Those cultures regularly ask not to be compared to trans people and not to be used as a reference/example by trans people (not at all saying you’re doing this, just responding because you made an interesting point).

Trans ideology doesn’t have to be abolished, it just needs to be something that nobody has to participate in or be effected by unless they willingly choose to be. We shouldn’t force any ideology on people who don’t believe in it, and that’s exactly what’s happening now with the trans community (obligatory not all trans people).

theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

But I think either way trans or not trans politics does affect society. There isn't an easy way to opt out of either.

Then the idea of gender abolition would change all of society, in theory.

MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

gender abolition would change all of society, in theory.

I don't think anyone "gender critical" thinks the abolition of the sex stereotypes and other sexist ideas and beliefs that constitute "gender" is a realistic or achievable end goal. Or, for that matter, even a desirable one. We are arguing against forcing everyone in society to have to accept and adhere to the strict, deeply regressive and sexist sex stereotypes that genderists hold dear. And we are against the basic tenet of Genderology which says that whether a human being is male or female, boy or girl, man or woman, is not determined by the person's biology, but by his or her level of perceived "masculinity" or "femininity" and which - if any - sex stereotypes he or she hews to and prefers.

Most people who are "gender critical" are not saying that genderists should not be allowed to have their sexist beliefs and to cleave to sexist sex stereotypes and judge themselves and others by sexist standards. We just don't think their sexist beliefs, stereotypes and standards should be imposed on all of society, forced down children's throats and made into the de facto state religion that everyone is expected to follow and no one is allowed to challenge.

divingrightintowork[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun 3 years ago

bravo - I've been saying that I'm not really GC or TRA, but I'm a liberalist... and it's the negative rights of GC/RF aligned people that are being most trampled right now, whereas TRAs are demanding highly undue positive "rights" which are really more like privileges.

theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun 2 years ago

I'm a liberalist

Do you have any links to a definition?

Does this mean you do or don't identify as a feminist? What have you got against gender critical feminism?