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What proportion of the population has child pornography on their cell phones, or their computers?(self)

12 points11 points14 points submitted by jerryk

You couldn't possibly do a scientific study of this. Who would be fool enough to volunteer for it? There's no way of knowing for sure, one way or another, if somehow child pornography has been put on your cell phone. A hacker could have put it their maliciously. You could download it yourself, if you were a pedophile and a criminal. You might be looking at adult pornography, and child pornography might be downloaded to your computer in hopes of broadening your interests , and your value as a customer, without your knowing it. You could download something from any site at all -- a news site, a science site, a dating site -- and it could have some child pornography in it, without you having any idea at all, about it.

So, with punishments for child pornography leaning towards the levels for murder, currently, how can anyone know if they might not be seen as a major criminal? True, "probable cause" is necessary before police can access your cell phone, or your computer. There must be some formal complaints or accusations, before you could be a suspect. Still, it would be rather easy to set absolutely anyone up for this particular kind of serious crime, wouldn't it? And, how do you prove your innocence, if you were set up?

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IMissPorn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

If you count self-made stuff the number of teens who have it must be very high.

jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

Good point. So, I guess their parents could be held responsible, and could be charged with corrupting their children?

IMissPorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

Personally I think the whole legal framework around it is stupid and broken. It doesn't make sense for a picture (or any other information) to be itself illegal. It should simply be treated as evidence of the actual crime (if there was one). It probably makes sense to keep the prohibition on commercial distribution (keep it illegal to sell) but that's about as far as I'd go.

jerryk[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

I think it's pretty messed up, currently. What I'm hoping, is that AI generated pornography might simply eliminate the market for actual, real pornography, so there are no "victims" anymore, and the issue will simply go away, spontaneously.

RR_2023 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

Ah, you already made the point I did elsewhere.

RR_2023 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun 5 months ago

How dare you be reasonable when CHILDREN are involved!

jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

The government loves waving the banner of "protecting children" whenever they're making a power play.

RR_2023 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 5 months ago

I remember talking to a very distant relative (wife of a step-brother) who lived out East. She was some prosecutor and boasted about prosecuting these kinds of cases. I asked about the possibility of some malware downloading it. She said that wasn't possible and you had to "click" on something for it to happen. I don't know much about P2P sharing, but if I was wanting to distribute something verboten like that, seems like that would be a great way to do it. Sometimes I don't even bother trying to "research" something - all it takes is a little mental exercise. If that is possible, then it probably happens.

And all this exuberance about "child porn" has always felt strange to me. Like a witch hunt. Given that we know the elites are controlling people with it, they need the outrage about it. Another mental exercise, what if it became normal and legal? Like they have done with various other forms of deviancy (LGBT, etc...) Then wouldn't they lose control over those politicians they are blackmailing?

As for the morality of it, sure, if you can make the case about children being harmed, that justifies it. But what about an AI just making new images? Would they be actual "child porn" at that point? And who would judge if it was (and what candidates would step up for that job, eh? LOL!!!!!) How many pixels could change before it wasn't "illegal"? Would children be harmed? Only with the argument that it would some how encourage bad behavior.

jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

As a prosecutor, it's hardly in her interest to admit that this material could be put on your cellphone by a site purporting to do research on quantum mechanics. And, that you might never even know that it was there, unless you did a very thorough search indeed, which you would have no particular reason to do.

Drewski 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 5 months ago

It is weird the number of whistleblowers and other people who have spoken out against the deep state and later been charged with possession of child porn.

Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

Still, it would be rather easy to set absolutely anyone up for this particular kind of serious crime, wouldn't it?

Yes, its incredibly easy. Easier than throwing a bag of drugs into a car.

And, how do you prove your innocence, if you were set up?

You don't. Once this method is used on you, you are guilty, because the same people who framed you also judge you. Unless you cut a deal with them, your life is ruined.

jerryk[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

So, is that the idea? This gives government absolute power over every single citizen with a cell phone? Is that why the government is so enthusiastic about people having cell phones?

Rah 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 5 months ago

Yes, they are even inclined to give you one for free. Tracking all citizens through triangulation, knowing what they do and punishing them with no big effort? Hell yea, its the dream of all dictators.

CheeseWizard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

Woah, chill CIA. Tone down the Psyop planning. Wasn't FBI's cocaine distribution enough?

Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

How about don't download pornography to begin with.

jerryk[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 5 months ago

How about don't download anything, to begin with.