Simone Biles' withdrawal is more impressive than winning by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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Negro is obviously a racist term.

Jews don't worship anything blacks do.

News media focus on Simone because they know people want to read about what happened to a world champion. This has also happened with news of white women.

The only problem here is that they are too nice in their comments (and they'd also be nice to a white woman).

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The point is to get the 99% to argue over facts, science, vaccines and the rest of it. It's commony known as a tactic of the 1%, Russian trolls, &c.

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And now you've followed the 8 hatred posts from the Chomsky alt account with 6 similar posts of your own, dragging down the discussion with the usual hatred for me and your obsession with what I write. Fuck off.

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Also weak.

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All of the anti-vax posts, for example

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Saidit supports X by agreeing with the propaganda and disinformation posted by websites paid for by the 1%.

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The "old left" are fucking over the 99%, as are the neoliberals. New progressive approaches are not easy to explain, especially to knuckle-draggers in parts of Saidit, but here is a sample:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/15/21065823/neoliberal-progressive-economic-vision-roosevelt-institute-papers-warren-sanders

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I replied to the question. You're just whining.

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Did I beg anyone to answer the question? No.

Look at it this way - a visitor drops by and offers some comments - the responses to which are so stupid that the visitor looks better than the Saiditors. Try to have some self-respect. The problem with Reddit is that we expect most users to post stupid comments, perhaps because so many of them are mentally 13. Saidit, on the other hand, shouldn't be like that.

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I replied to the question. You're just whining.

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Your style of comments, your obsession with me (in 7 attacks here), comment history, and account all appear to show that this is one of Jason Carswell's alt accounts, or someone who thinks and behaves exactly like him. Whoever you are, your obsession with and hatred of me is informative of your severe mental limitations. Also - what would I write about Carswell if I were the OP? Absolutely nothing nice, if anything. Carswell craves attention on Saidit and is to be avoided by me. You don't deserve the name Noam Chomsky, and likely have no idea how much your comments are the opposite of what he'd think.

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Again - the OP is obviously not me. As with some others here, you have nothing to contribute, or don't want to. Pathetic.

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If you knew anything about my comments, you'd know that I don't think like the OP, or write like this person. Grow up.

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I responded to the OP. WTF are you on about.

Simone Biles' withdrawal is more impressive than winning by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the color of her skin.

My view is that she should not have gone to Tokyo if she was not prepared to support her colleagues at all costs.

One can discuss this without the superfluous racist POS comments.

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Again - you're giving too much importance to the OP. There's an interesting question. Answer it or don't. Whining like this is embarrassing.

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Not sure - but the results here are pathetic. Saidit should be better than this.

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So you've got nothing.

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I agree

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It's irrelevant, stupid, embarrassing, adds nothing to the comments section, and is against the Saidit guidelines, as you should know. Think.

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Yin - why don't you see what's wrong with these comments? It certainly doesn't matter who OP is or isn't. There is an option to make an objective argument or not to make it. If instead you want to go against Saidit's rules and drag down the discussion on the PoD - for whatever reason (feelings hurt, or whatever), then you've not done anything worthwhile. Step up or don't. Whining like this is stupid, embarrassing, and against Saidit rules/guidelines. Think for a moment: what do you want from visitors? You want them to stroke your ego, or do you have any interest in a discussion and information?

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Thanks for the interesting post. I hope others at Saidit will genuinely try to respond (with something more than insults).

to make an argument for any non-mainstream idea that is designed to educate, inform, and thoroughly convince a truly objective being.

1 - ...The problem is belief and how strongly personal beliefs have motivated many here to criticize anything or anyone they don't believe as wrong or fraudulent, and they will go to great lenghts to locate literally anything online that supports those beliefs (especially disinformation and misinformation).

2 - As you see in some of the responses, many here are very curious about the identities and motivations of the users. This should not be important, especially for those engaged at the top of the Pyramid of Debate....

3 - As for the non-mainstream objective argument, there are several to choose from, and I am surprised that you've not received much of a response to this. Most Saiditors seem to appreciate that the mainstream news media and politicians will not do enough to respond to the abuses of Israel and pro-Israel lobbyists and supporters. One has to look to non-mainstream sources and others for information and proposals for responses to the crimes of Israel, much of which is rather obvious. Many Jews are also against the abuses by the Israel government. The initial post-war plan for Israel should be re-examined, as it's created unforseen problems, abuses, crime, and warfare in the region and other countries, via espionage, money laundering, genocide, etc. etc. There are some in /s/DebateAltRight who are inspired by the practices of Israel as an 'ethonstate' and they want a similar ethnostate somewhere in the US, with similar approaches to aparthied regulations, NeoNazi authoritarianism and genocide. But I don't know if most Saiditors would agree to this.

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They're jealous of a site with more free speech than reddit.

LOL!

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It`s Okay To Be White

At least you've made an effort, but you must know that this is a ridiculously redundant argument. It's embarrassing.

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Who cares? It's not so difficult to respond to this person.

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No need to drag down the discussion. Make a reasonable argument, if you wish.

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Why would I want to 'convince' anyone of anything?

A: The same reason you'd discuss anything that you consider informative. It's not difficult - especially at Saidit - to make an argument that challenges this person. It's rather sad to see so many Saiditors fail to respond to this person.

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pass

Weak

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Dead bees? => Less food? => Extreme income inequality? => Revolution?/War? => Fewer bodies? = Napoleon 2.0?

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No need to drag down the discussion. Make a reasonable argument, if you wish.

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An oversimplification.

(There are several positions in play, but I would agree that the 1% is essentially X, which is why Saidit is so interesting, as many here are gullible enough to agree with the disinformaiton propaganda paid for by X.)

Soros hands $1 million to group attempting to defund police as violent crime skyrockets nationwide by Chipit in news

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Like so much in the right-wing racist propaganda, these comments are taken out of context. Even the dumbass liberal phrase - defund the police - decontextualizes what they actually want. A better phrase would be: redistribute public funding to education and social programs and stop buying military equipment for policing. The gradual conversion of civil policing to military policing is an attack on the 99% by the 1%. People of color aren't the problem. The 1% is the problem.

Soros hands $1 million to group attempting to defund police as violent crime skyrockets nationwide by Chipit in news

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I read it, Chipit. Rather than drag the discourse down the PoD, consider that you've been brainwashed by right-wing misinformation propaganda - like what's in the article - and have thus repeated here one of their talking points. The Color of Change PAC is not a problem. The problem is the 1%, which you support when you try to redirect attention to racist right-wing misinformation propaganda. And you still have freedom of speech, unless you live in Russia, China, North Korea, Texas, or similar countries. No need to be so paranoid. Support the 99%, not the 1%.

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Cornelius, Zira, Dr. Zaius, Honorious, Maximus, Lucius, Dr Galen, and the others?

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Questions guerillas ask, for 200, Alex.

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Read 'The Open Society and Its Enemies', by Karl Popper, vol. 2, chapters 24 and 25.

(Has nothing to do with Soros, however, nor does my comment.)

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Typical Fox News misinformation and propaganda.

The Color Of Change PAC supports a broad range of important, helpful projects. It's unrelated to crime statistics. Moreover, the request to defund the police is merely to consider a redistribution of funding to helpful initiatives, instead of military equipment &c for the police.

Joe Biden’s cancer charity spent more than $3.7million on staff salaries but distributed ZERO towards research grants over two years, tax filings reveal by Trump_WG1WGA in news

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This is disinforamtion and misinformation from November, for reasons noted here:

https://cancerletter.com/news-analysis/20201116_1/

It doesn't belong in /s/News (as it's not news and it's intentionally misleading).

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I feel I haven't been given the authority to remove comments based on the PoD.

Mods here have warned me for comments that supposedly dragged down the discourse on the PoD, though I argued that my responses were at the same level of the PoD. I am not referring to post removals. I am not sure if others have been warned.

The most interesting mod rules are at /s/debatealtright, where some of them can be applied to any comment a mod doesn't like.

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Are the both the same person?

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Having read through these posts, I see no "debate" with the Alt Right. There is only agreement with the proposals for secession. If you want to hear a debate, here is an initial concern:

Any state or group of states that manage to secede (if the Supreme Court allows it) will be at an economic disadvantage to the other states, because the other states will have all of the economic leverage for goods and services that the minority states will want.

(If you want more control, vote politicians into office who will regulate banks and major corporations. Stop worrying about people of color. They're not the reason your lives suck. The 1% want you to hate one another. Take on the 1%.)

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I agree with the portion that follows "promote disinformation...." Pro-Israel groups are very good at this, and we've seen some of their work in several countries. Recent news of the spy software and how it was used around the world is another example. Authoritarian political parties and groups also support these shills and professional disinformation websites & writers. Their campaigns help the 1% at the expense of the 99% (as I often say).

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Yes

/s

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If you've smoked pot for any reasonable length of time, you'll know that one of the side-effects is a minor case of paranoia. An advanced form of paranoia is paranoid schizophrenia, which is the most common form of mental illness. A study some years ago on teenagers indicated that those who smoked pot before the age of 20 were more likely to have congnitive difficulties after middle age, normally in the form of slow reasoning skills, though also schizophrenia. For those old reports, see: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=marijuana+schizophrenia&t=h_&ia=web

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Are the new mods of the subs leftists? (no) Do they warn users to follow the pyramid of debate? (sometimes, perhaps) Is this leftist censorship? (no) Will a million leftists join Saidit? (hell no)

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I'll show you mine if you show me yours

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Maybe the science of vaccines is not so bad, but it's being carried out in a bad way, by bad players.

Yes - this is especially true in India, where there have been active scams.

Though there are also problems in so-called 1st world countries, the regulations and testing of vaccines are much better. Another problem is the difficulty of getting news of legitimate problems with the vaccines, amidst the massive amount of disinformaiton spread to a large portion of the world's populations. In India, for example, millions of WhatsApp users have been persuaded to believe disinformation about vaccines, even though they do not understand the sources of that information. The solution in rural areas has been to pay teams to deliver vaccines, while also paying villagers to take the vaccines. Initially, nurses would go to villages and wait in empty offices. Now that there are payments, many villagers are happy to take the jabs. This is perhaps not true for all villages, but it's already understood as a useful approach, thanks already to the Gates Foundation NGOs in the area in recent decades (which have provided free healthcare for mothers). Most Indians appear not to be skeptical of science, and many want their kids to be doctors or engineers, but they are naturally skeptical of politics and scan artists.

Not that you wanted to know any of this, but I hope it offers a different perspective.

How Jews took over China and created Chinese Communism, Fitzpatrick Informer by Jesus in conspiracy

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Thanks for this. I appreciate everything that's written here, which in my view is part of a larger series of theological arguments. I responded to your other notes on that weblink, which are also much appreciated. Though we agree on much of this, there is a tendency here appropriately focus on problems in Jewish theology while also putting too fine a point on some of the arguments, as if all Jews subscribed to those problems in Jewish theology. We can perhaps agree that there are majority modern Jewish approaches that are highly problematic because of their ahistorical and anachronistic arguments. If however we are to debunk assumptions about Israel from the theological and historical points of view (as we should) we would want to focus on primary sources and the broader implications of their claims, part of which has led to serious geopolitical and social problems.

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First, the Jewish Voice is basically a pro-crypto Zionist agency

Yes - they're terrible

Jesus wasn't Jewish.

We don't even know if he was a person. There are important studies on the historical Jesus, some of which focus on Palestinian Jewish 'heretics' from his time who were preaching. He knew the Jewish traditions so well that he might have been Jewish. He also used Buddhist theology.

Jesus wasn't liberal either, nor conservative ...

These were not terms used 2000 years ago. Quotations of him indicate that his approaches were quite a bit "left" by our standards, so far left that Constantine probably appreciated that Christians were easier to manipulate than the other religious groups, though only 10% of the population were Christian in 311.

The Jewish people did not exist during Jesus's time becuase modern Jewry is a construct ... Modern Jews hijacked the word Judahite to define themselves when they were never Judahite hebrews who have died out long ago. This is exactly what Zionist Jews did with the word Semitic where they claim anyone who is anti-Zionist is anti-Semitic yet not only are they probably not semitic but Arabs and Palestinians for the most part are Semitic!

I agree with this. Approaches to ancient Hebrews would have to be examined in their original context.

"Jewish identity meant one thing: Jews don’t believe in Jesus" ...True, but a Jew in its MODERN DEFINITION is simply a term used to describe an ethnic Ashkenazi and Sephardi 'Jew'

Yes - which is indeed problematic, especially when one considers that writers of the New Testament were Hebrews. There are also Mizrahi (oriental) and Ethiopian Jews.

To identitfy as as 'Jew' is to deny Christ in some form.

What they deny is that he was their Messiah, which is not surprising

...the land of Israel was not the land of the Jews. That would be Edom and areas in what is now Russia and Syria. The word Jew did not exist. So, if he means the two groups mentioned in the bible, those were Judahite Hebrews that we can not compare to modern day Jews; they all died out.

I agree with most of this

Jesus was not a Jew.

We don't 'know' who he was. There is general agreement that he was one of the Hebrew heretic preachers born in Palestine, but he's known only in stories

You are not Jewish (modern definition) if you believe in Christ. You reject Judaism (modern rabbinism), you reject identity and follow him for neither there is Judahite, Greek or Roman in Christ.

You may know that there are liberal Jews who believe that they are very much Jewish - because their moms were Jewish - and they don't believe that they have to agree with anything you just wrote here. I think you and I disagree on this point. We cannot with any regularity fit people neatly in categories like this, as much as we or they would want us to. There is a liberal Jewish movement in New York, but I don't know much about it. I think most of them belong to this group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Judaism

How could the Jews kill Jesus if Jews didn't exist? We can only go by the religion of the Judahite hebrews that Jesus often talked to and rebuked.

Pharisees had Jesus killed. We could argue that they're unrelated to modern Jews, but what they believed is very similar to what conservative Jews believe today. For example, Netanyahu and the Likud would not like Jesus.

First, modern Jews are not semitic...

If the vast majority of them see themselves as semitic, there isn't much we can do about it. The term refers mainly to the language that's used and it's modern usage dates only to 1770.

Oh, so now it was only a certain Jew that killed Jesus? That might make sense but Jews didn't exist during that time. REV: I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Judahite Hebrews [now says Jews; basically still applies] and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

I somethat agree with this. However - we can perhaps appreciate that ALL Hebrews did not hate Jesus enough to have him killed.

Meaning those who followed Jesus were a small following of Romans, other tribal groups, Judahite Hebrews etc., but they gave up their identities to follow Him.

Yes - though we know from recent scholarship on Josephus that one did not have to give up one's identity in order to follow Jesus's sayings or Jesus himself. There were many in Roman Palestine who were Roman Hebrews, and would have been OK with the title Roman Hebrew Christian. It's not human nature to follow only one way of thinking or believing, though there are some who like to do this.

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Thanks for the info on Ulmanis, whom I've now read about. It seems that there were economic benefits of his leadership, though there were also substantial restrictions on the press and other activities. I know of a famous Jewish philosopher who grew up in Latvia in the 1930s, emigrating to England thereafter, and had opportunities in England he would never have had in Latvia. In any event, Ulmanis is an interesting example of a dictator (getting only 17% of the vote) who was not as bad as many other dictators.

I don't think any of us have to like the vaccine. It's ONLY important as a way of reducing the impact of COVID19 on your body - were you to get it - and reducing the spread of COVID19 to others. Thus it's like the polio vaccine. We take it - not because we like vaccines - but because we would wish to reduce the impact of COVID19 on ourselves and others.

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So which form of authoritarianism do you prefer? (The post complains of the dictatorship of Macron.)

In any event, at least many in the democracy of France appreciate the importance of the vaccine. Those who don't like democracies can move to China, Russia, Turkey, Belarus, and any number of other authoritarian shitholes.

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If most users would follow the rules regarding the pyramid of debate, the site might grow. Most users absolutely hate any form of disagreement with the right-wing, or with the fantasy world of the alt right. "Free speech" is not really appreciated on Saidit. Visitors have noted that Saidit appears to favor paranoid schizophrenia. But the main problems are the attacks on people who don't agree with right-wing or alt-right opinions. I have a list of these unusual visitors, in the "friends" list, most of whom are gone or rarely return.

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Seems rather uncivilized and non-Christian "to perform the sexual act of eating leftover food from someone’s butthole," as defined by the urban dictionary.

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Look up the term, cognitive dissonance.

How Jews took over China and created Chinese Communism, Fitzpatrick Informer by Jesus in conspiracy

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You might not agree with the following, but it's at least informative of the approaches of some people, theologians, liberal Jews &c: https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/blog/10-biggest-lies-about-yeshua-his-jewishness-and-what-some-call-jewish-christianity

Of course there are conservative Jews who will also not agree with much of this.

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I didn't write that you were wrong. I wrote that the comment was not nice. (Not that comments must be 'nice', but you get my point. Moreover, you're Jesus.)

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That's not very nice, Jesus. WWJD?

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call me a paranoid schizophrenic

I certainly did NOT do this. I said this about a COMMENT:

and insane paranoid schizo gems

Eric Clapton Says He Won't Play Shows if Covid Vaccines Are Required by asterias in whatever

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Indeed.

Anyone know if he didn't want black people in the venue where he played? I didn't know this, but it's on Twitter, so of course it must be true, right?

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We're providing facts and reasonable comments.

You're merely attacking people, without any evidence, without resonable arguments, and insane paranoid schizo gems like this:

fuck off with your law bullshit.

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If you look at the owners and writers for many of the sites listed at /s/ShitpostNews, you'll see that they're mainly right wing, or alt-right. I would list them here, but they are already listed in thaat sub.

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Thanks.

I discussed this research earlier, and recall that the data used for the analysis does not appropriately answer the research prompt, given the skewing of information in the direction of relatively new immigrants. This brings us back to the income inequality problem. If you invite a bunch of poor people to live next to you, will you immediately trust them? It doesn't matter what their skin color is. By contrast, hundreds of London properties have sold to Russian, Qatari, Saudi, Polish, Albanian, Serbian and Chinese developers over the past 20 years, somewhat in that order. Do native Londoners (including Brits, Jewish Brits, Pakistani-Brits &c), or even the new arrivals, "trust" one another immediately? Of course not. The erosion of trust question is the wrong question because everyone knows you would not immediatly trust a new arrival, even if they were as white as snowflakes. The other problem is that it's human nature to assume that people who look like you can be trusted, and the 'other' cannot be trusted. This is a no-brainer. What's important in this case is: what does diversity bring to the community. And the answer it that: it brings much more than does the process of inbreading with the locals, as was common in rural parts of some countries before the mid-20th century. After decades of generations in diverse metropolitan areas, one sees significant benefits. Large cities in the US "melting post" are an excellent examples of this. For what it's worth, we'll probably agree on the general necessity of restrictions on immigration, but we will not agree on the promotion of white supremacy groups and areas. This latter approach is counter-productive, divides people, and there are no historical examples where these arrangements were fruitful.

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Much has changed for fascism since the early 20th C.

Majority of Covid misinformation came from 12 people, report finds by socks in Coronavirus

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If you know that money motivates a number of these people, you'll also appreciate that some of them are Jewish, and you know of some of the Jewish-owned websites that are supported financially for their disinformation. If you're going to criticise Zionist disinformation, you should appreciate how broadly it spreads. You only have to follow the money.

Is Black Rifle Coffee About to Throw Its Customer Base Under the Bus for Fun and Profit? by carn0ld03 in business

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You know that pro-Israel companies are profiting from websites and products that appeal to NeoNazis and other extremists, as they've done for a long time. It's lucrative work.

Is Black Rifle Coffee About to Throw Its Customer Base Under the Bus for Fun and Profit? by carn0ld03 in business

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Operation Atlas

This was primarily anti-British: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Atlas_(Mandatory_Palestine)

You - of all people - should know of the much more significant Haavara Agreement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

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It's already happened in the UK.

Centrists are difficult to manipulate by those who are puching the extreme agendas. Israel lobbyists &c are pushing an extreme agenda.

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Which is why Dems ONLY win when they vote in great numbers. Repuglicans have wanted to stop this.

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No.

This is alleged.

Israelis and Israel companies should not be trusted, at all. So it's unfortunate that she worked for one of them. What she knows from these networks of Israelis probably helped her get her job. There are so many pro-Israel "spies" and lobbyists in D.C., that one reference to someone in contact with them is a drop in the ocean, so to speak. Psaki is very good at her job.

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Again, we 100% disagree on these points.

By the way - consider the usage of gaslighting - which isn't what I've done, not in the slightest, especially on Saidit.

Moreover, in a fascist country, you would have no rights to say or do what you wanted, unless it was in agreement with the fascists. Fascism restricts freedom, as does racism, as does CRT. You seem to agree here with restricting freedom and facts (in history lessons). Saidit is literally not a place for you, if you don't support free speech.

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We 100% disagree on this. There is no evidence for what you note, whereas you can see what the right-wing 1% want among those who support Citizens United, right-wing political hacks on the Supreme Court, have paid millions to right-wing politicians, who control the news and social media, and who fund the racist disinformation websites at /u/ShitpostNews. There is by contrast no evidence that any of these people are liberal or anti-white (whatever that is supposed to mean, though we see it a lot on Saidit).

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OK - a higher % of income parity

I don't favor out-of-control immigration, as this leads to crime and other problems that primarily benefit the 1% at the expense of the 99%. The 1% exploit the 99% when they can increase immigration for people who will work for them for cheaper wages. Republicans LOVE immigration but tell their supporters they hate it, as a way of supporting racism and other motivations what get people to vote. But the 1% in the US and Europe aren't really against immigration, as you may have seen. Many in the 99% are manipulated by the virtue signalling in news and social media to think about the welfare of those who try to immigrate. What we should remember is that jobs have to be available for these immigrants, or the 99% suffer. Centrist politicians (what few there are) who favor upholding strong immigration laws will help the 99%.

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I read those sections and I think the author wants to focus on supporting his thesis that Americans hate each other; thus he repeats examples of divisive rhetoric that have been used by political, news, and social media in recent years. All of this addresses supposedly inherent hatred among Americans, as if it's a result primarily of social anger, rather than anything else (like income inequality, which he saves for the end of the article, as a footnote to his main ideas). What he doesn't appropriately address is the undeniable and deep problem of income inequality. We should consider why he wrote this article. For example: do most Americans hate one another? No. Indeed, this article fits neatly within what /u/Jesus would call an intentional attempt by Zionist media (and Russian media) to stir up hatred and dischord in the US. There are academic studies of this approach by Russian sources, showing that they're focused on getting readers to fight over facts and extremes, the result of which is the election of authoritarians like Trump, who we know was compromised by Russian businessment to do whatever they wanted him to do (where possible). Where in all of this does Zionism fit? Much of what Israel and pro-Israel lobbies in the US focus on is sowing dischord among non-Jews, which helps with their right-wing political aims. One of the ways they do this is to make people believe statements like this:

If there are higher levels of 'racism' in America than in Europe, then it is because there is more ethnic diversity

This is not true for many important reasons. I've already discussed them on Saidit, but in a nutshell, my argument is that we should look at this historically. For example, ethnically diverse settlements around the Mediterranean over the past 4000 years, particularly in metropolitan centers, have resulted in great progress for those groups. Central to that success was trade. Those who don't want this to work have used their power to manufacture dischord and thereby control their sources of wealth while others are distracted with the dischord. What's partially ironic about this today is that the Jews who were expelled from those Mediterranean regions periodically over a period of 4000 years (thanks in part to their abuses of others) have been since the early 19th century using some of the strategies of those in power to sow dischord and thereby take control of important sectors in societies (banking, pharma, healthcare, entertainment, politics, etc.), from the Rothschilds to the present. The writer of that article agrees with this approach of sowing dischord. Ethnic diversity was never a problem. Money was the primarily problem, especially for the economically disadvantaged blacks and hispanics (and whites) who've been recruited or forced into crime because they had no other way of earning money, other than to clean toilets or pick strawberries. When the lower income people react to this - because of the absence of upward mobility in society - there is racial tension. Yes, people inherently dislike the 'other', but they are prompted to act on their hatred when they are miserable and have no money.

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republicans were not allowed to be an active part of the ballot counting process. They were allowed to observe from dozens of feet away from the counting tables. They were sometimes not allowed to enter the building where the counting was being done.

This is a lie, and part of the disinformation spread by right-wing websites. It should be obvious. ALL voting districts were required to have a balance of Dem, Republican and potentially other parties present for the counting. That's obviously how they're managed. Some of those Repuglicans were also the ones who claimed that occasional batches of ballots were scanned twice. Do you think Red states like Georgia would have allowed ONLY Dems to count the votes? Nope. It's easy to debunk this.

There are artificial intelligence bots that can read text in any language from around the world and it knows what the fk you are talking about. In the earlier days of AI bots being released onto the forums, there were bots that would counsel suicidal persons in the /r/suicidewatch sub.

But they're not needed in order to hack voting machines, nor would they be as helpful as human intervention. Yes, hacking is possible and could have been arranged for some machines. The hacking of 8 million votes, however? Hacking would impact only a few thousand votes in some districts.

The democrats seem determined to accuse trumpers of orchestrating the jan six event, which they might get their insurrection after all.

If you didn't see the incitements to violence, you weren't watching the speeches and social media. It was so obvious that Trump was impeached for it, some of his supporters will serve jail sentences, and had they succeeded, it's known that Biden would not have been confirmed on 6 Jan. And by looking at these pathetic microdick gravy seals and their technical gear and the American flags they used to beat security officers, it's apparent that these cowards would fuck up an attempted insurrection (again).

Can you imagine having a few million people swarm the whitehouse? you cant shoot them all.

If you're referring to the QBoogalloo morons, those who would manage to get to D.C. would only be a in the thousands, at best, and their actions would unite the country against them. Moreover, Trump's appointees in the Pentagon might no longer be there to make sure that there would be no proper security at the capitol building.

The trumpers were not behind the jan six event, because trump asked them to be peaceful.

Again: this is a lie. The statements of Trump, Giuliani, others and on social media were explicitly calling for people to take back their house. And Trump said he'd join them, but did not, as was typical of everything he did: abuse and steal from the 99% for the sake of benefits for the 1%. That was his MO.

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Her comments are mainly about companies and organizations that actively promote disinformation that they expect you so share. You still have your freedom of speech. For example, there is no evidence that the 8 million vote margin for Biden was developed fraudulently. But if you say that those votes were fraudulent, there is no reliable algorithm that can locate your comment and ban it. The algorithm would look for patterns that stem from the companies and organizations.

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Is it that difficult to distinguish between disinformation and facts? (No.) She's referring to obvious lies.

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So you disagree with most of what I wrote? Do the points in the article reflect your hatred of others? You've thus been manipulated by the 1% to hate other Americans?

transmute all racial/ethnic/cultural issues into purely economic ones.

That's not what I wrote. Read it again. (Economic inequality is fundamental to developments of other problems, even if the other problems already existed.)

The rightwing fetishization of Jews

Definitely not happening. Many of those right-wing assholes are Jews. Also the usage of 'fetish' does not work here, FFS.

as the man behind the curtain simply morphs into capitalists.

Poetry? Makes no sense to me.

Wealth is used by the (almost universally liberal in character) rich to suppress racial forces, not encourage them.

The opposite is true. I wonder why you or anyone else would think this.

Racial conflict is not a distraction from rising wealth inequality, it's challenge to their ability to control it.

Not true. Just look at how the 1% promotes racisim on websites and in right-wing organizations. Consider the dumbass parents protesting against the manufactured 'critical race theory'. It's a non issue meant to piss off dumbasses who enjoy racism. Students should learn about history. That's it. End of story. Deleting portions of history you don't like is fascism, to control the masses.

it's to attack conservative whites and remove them as a potential nationalistic element that might impede their control.

These fuckers (and Jews and the other 1%) are the one's promoting racism. They're not trying to remove themselves. They're in control.

The best case scenario for the capitalists is to keep the Western workers as pacified as possible while creating a diverse a workforce as possible so that their ability to form cohesive opposition forces are neutered.

Yes - we agree on this - but should also follow the money, to see how the 1% are gleaning everything from the 99% in the US. This will not work in the long term, but they're not concerned with the fate of young people.

Most of these countries are undergoing the same process of division and radicalization as migration and ethno-cultural stress increases despite

Yes - they're discussing immigration reform, and legislation was recently passed for the EU and the UK to come to terms with it. But this does not change the fact that those are the happiest countries, especially because of income parity &c.

The vast majority of Americans are still known worldwide for being among the nicest, warmest, most generous people in the world.

No one thinks this.

For you to say this is an indication that you've not been out of the country long enough to see it. The Bush Jr and Trump Administrations we periods when people in the US were seen as really stupid and foolish. Thus non-US opinions of Americans are gradually changing.

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Yes indeed: these campaigns of hatred &c developed especially in the past 10 years, as a way of distracting people from the rise in income inequality that started with the Reagan Admin. The article partially addresses this, but not appropriately:

Spoiled elites—highly unappreciative of the New Deal’s populist approach and the decades of labor battles that created the pressure for change—turned a blind eye while corporate America worked diligently to return the American economy to Gilded Age levels of inequality and worker disdain.

and

[Michael Lind] “We become Peron’s Argentina,” he answered, without missing a beat. “It’s where I think we’re going to end up anyway. We’re showing signs of it ... your capitalists are mostly a rentier class, living off unearned income from banking, agriculture, finance, or stock sales … elites tied to the military and a nationalist coalition of interests. The working class is immobile. It cannot move at all.”

It's well-known that the "happiest" countries are known for a greater percentage of wealth parity, the middle class, social programs, healthcare &c, such as: Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg &c.

I don't think most Americans hate one another, and the statistics do not show this. I do appreciate the approaches in the article, which cover interesting points. The news media and social media post many times on a daily basis videos of the craziest Americans, which makes these media complicit in reinforcing the idea that Americans hate one another. The vast majority of Americans are still known worldwide for being among the nicest, warmest, most generous people in the world. They're also known for their gullibility, relatively high poverty statistics for a "first world" country, and racists. What the article could address more specifically is that political corruption is eating away at the American Dream, which will be unattainable for most young people. The solution - in my view - is to vote out of office all of the old politicians, and replace them with people who have a record of supporting the 99%, at the expense of the 1%.

What media manipulation looks like by scrubking in propaganda

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Excellent points.

Moreover, Curry has been quoted in numerous places, and covered by news media because she was hired as a political hack for Republicans and has been funded by the fossil fuel industry. If Saiditors are upset about the political elite and corporations manipulating the national narrative, they should be livid about the way in which the Republicans and fossil fuel industry have used Curry to justify their abuses of the environment for the sake of a billions for the 1%.

Also:

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judith_Curry

https://skepticalscience.com/Judith_Curry_arg.htm

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/trump-white-house-recruited-climate-science-critics-work-noaa

https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2010.577

Jeff Bezos, richest man alive, is going into Outer Space today. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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1970 - Gil Scott-Heron - Whitey On the Moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

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I don't know about a fake version in the US, but there was a fake vaccine scam in India:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/05/india/india-fake-covid-vaccine-scam-intl-hnk/index.html

New Delhi (CNN)Thousands of people have fallen prey to an elaborate wide-ranging scam selling fake coronavirus vaccines in India, with doctors and medical workers among those arrested for their involvement, authorities say.

At least 12 fake vaccination drives were held in or near the financial hub Mumbai, in the country's western Maharashtra state, said Vishal Thakur, a senior official of the Mumbai police department. "They were using saline water and injecting it," Thakur said. "Every fake vaccination camp that they held, they were doing this."

An estimated 2,500 people were given fake shots, he said. The organizers charged their victims fees for the shots, earning up to $28,000 in total.

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Yes.

The problem is financial power and control by the 1%. Science and facts aren't problematic. (though the 1% want you to argue over them). For example, China controlled and restricted the information about their initial COVID strains for national, geopolitical and financial reasons. An appropriate response to the spread of COVID19 has been necessary.

Hypnotic Revolution: BlackRock’s Monopoly as the Final Stage of Liberalism by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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I've read and listened to resources at both links, and have read about BlackRock at their website, and what I can see is that they are a powerful investments company. It's an interesting company. But there is no evidence that they are focused on anything that can be called liberal or liberalism. That's also not the main interest of a successful investment company. They might have liberal investors, but they also definitely have right-wing investors.

Just great. by LarrySwinger2 in whatever

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Can you use a VPN for another country in order to view it?

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One of the few memes I've liked here. Big HealthCare would also fit, and perhaps Big Pharma (as the expensive and highly manipulative medical industry in the US is a leading cause of increasing income inequality).

Is Black Rifle Coffee About to Throw Its Customer Base Under the Bus for Fun and Profit? by carn0ld03 in business

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Thanks for the info.

The 'jewish' link is very interesting:

Evan Hafer: Well, considering the fact that my COO and I are both Jewish, I have a huge issue with people who compare us to or accuse us of being Nazis.

There are indeed Jewish businesses that are making a fortune appealing to Neonazis, and are in that context doing more to support Neonazis than most people. They are therefore much like Nazis.

There are universities selling off investments in companies associated with the illegal Israeli settlements, which are sometimes compared to Nazi activities.

It's wonderful news that Black Rifle Coffee will lose customers.

The word 'Europeans' seems to appear for the first time in an eighth-century reference to Charles Martel's victory [over Islamic forces] at Tours. by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

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Yes, this may be the broader usage of the Old French place name of what is now generally considered Europe and Europeans.

As for the etymology of 'Europe':

Ancient authors derived ancient Greek Εὐρώπη , the name of the continent from ancient Greek Εὐρώπη (classical Latin Eurōpa ), the name (in Greek mythology) of a princess of Tyre who was courted by Zeus in the form of a bull (see Europa n.). This story seems to go back to the Mycenaean period, in which case the name of the princess at least would be pre-Greek in origin. For the name of the continent, various other etymologies have been suggested, including a derivation < ancient Greek εὐρωπός wide, broad ( < εὐρύς + ὠπ-, ὤψ eye, face; though this has been dismissed as a subsequent folk etymology), and a Semitic origin, with the name having the sense ‘the Region of the Setting Sun’.

Europe occurs as a place name in English contexts from Old English onwards (in Old English as Europa, Europe, in Middle English as Europa, Europe, Europ).

Source

Germany Refuses to Use Voting Machines Like US Over Fears of Fraud, Will Only Use Paper Ballots by carn0ld03 in Europe

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Moreover, most Americans - and especially Boomers - want to believe that their government would not allow for voting machines that can be hacked, even if they can see evidence of hacking if they would just look for the videos and articles explaining the hacking process, and the politicians' investments in voting machines. There is also a long Boomer tradition of not engaging in in-depth discussions about political concerns, until 5 or 10 years ago. Americans should be much more politically active.

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It doesn't matter, FFS.

And I am not dishonest.

It's apparent that your only interest is to harass me, which is definitely dishonest. Leave me alone. We'll have nothing more to discuss.

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Thanks again. I don't wish to drag the conversation onward with responses, though out of respect for your responses, here are are a couple of clarifications.

The most useful part of the book is probably his analysis of how liberals are formed and how they think.

My view is that this is not necessarily the most important part, but that I agree regarding many of the problems with Neoliberalism, which meant that Clinton and Obama did not appropriately challenge the GOP, and indeed helped the GOP with goals that have abused the 99%, the American Dream &c.

You see my biggest problem when I was a liberal was I thought there just wasn't enough focus on the wealth gap.

Agree 100%. (I was an Independent in 1980, but changed to Democrat in 1984, thanks to the obvious abuses of the Reagan admin, and have remained a Dem. since then.)

It seemed that people at the top were rigging the system but even then I struggled to comprehend who exactly those people were.

Agree 100%. We find those few people in the .01% when we follow the money, as much as possible.

Marx has some arguments that help to understand this but Marx got hijacked by an ethnic group that used his ideas to start revolutions against their enemies and fuck up a LOT of religious and monarchical stability in the world.

I agree.

Marx also failed as he assumed that the social sciences were like the hard sciences and that his conclusions were beyond reproach.

Yes, though this wasn't just Marx, as this has been assumed in many academic disciplines, excluding the arts, since the early-mid 19th century.

Trotsky is an import figure to study. What I find interesting about his plan is that he thought the best way to get the cashless workers paradise was to first pool (by donation or FORCE) all the money in one central bank. That should send up some red flags for anyone.

Yes - and those in power keep most of the money, as we've seen in Russia and China, who launder their money through other central banks. JF Kennedy and others wanted every dollar to match the gold and silver reserves, and I think that's the main reason he was killed (among other reasons).

JQ

Will await more info on this.

Have your read Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine?

Yes - I agree it's helpful.

A History of Central Banking by Goodson

I'll have a look. You may also know that Magnora7 shares our concerns about the history of central banking, if you've seen his Youtube interviews.

Stop playing dumb. You just goaded the sub on in the previous sentence of that comment saying that, and I'm paraphrasing, 'dissidents should DO things not just whine'. That's a direct implication for us to write down 'revolutionary' actions in a book socks and now you're acting like you didn't just imply that. This is why I called you sneaky user and I think I'm again being proven right in that assessment. We know your tactics as we see them over and over so be careful with the tricks socks. Be very careful.

We certainly disagree on this. We know that there is plenty of information one can put in a book that will not put anyone at risk. Moreover, supporting the book idea is not a trick or tricky. To think that I am trying to trick DAR verges on paranoid schizophrenia, a term Redditors have used to describe Saidit in general, when responding to Magnora7's earlier notes on year-long milestones for Saidit. That's a mean comment by Redditors, but there is some evidence of paranoid schizophrenia on Saidit.

If you believe that white people do not deserve this sacred right to self defense then you are the worst type of anti white there is.

This appears to be a straw man. I have no reason to dislike white people, or to see a sacred right, or to be anti-white. All of this is rather surprising. We certainly disagree on this way of thinking.

we do it better then anyone on the planet

This may fit within a broader historical quesiton about Western European bellicosity, c. 1000 - 2000, to which there aren't reliable answers. But the key problem in your comment is 'we', but not something to unpick at the moment.

you're going to need to start valuing truth over rhetoric

This is the main reason I've responded to your points. You know that I am focusing here on facts, and truth. I write plainly, and I am not trying to persuade (the essence of rhetoric) anyone to think differently.

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Again, it seems that you think a refusal to answer your question is a form of dishonesty, when it's nothing of the sort. Moreover, several Saiditors know my nationality and where I am, due to a much earlier conversation. But it's truly irrelevant, and I have a right to my privacy, just as you do. It's not fair of you to refer to me as dishonest.

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It happens on all sides of the political discourse.

The solutions are not at the extremes, nor do they involve hatered.

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Now I see why I think you are so duplicitous. You want to hide who you really are under your socks.

So - it's important that we are willing to discuss our identities? You have to admit that no one - with the exception of one or two people - would agree with that (not even you). According to this logic, you've referred to almost everyone at Saidit as duplicitous.

If you have something to say, say it. Saidit is a place for what you have to 'say', not a place for you to try to guess who people are, or for others to bother you with regard to who you are.

You have a habit of insulting me when you respond to my notes. Consider following Saidit's rules.

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you really do nothing to endear people to your side.

What an absolute fraud I would be if I tried that. It's also sad that anyone would take my comments personally. Some basic level of maturity should be expected.

It's like watching a Christian shame a gay person then expect them to become straight due to the shaming.

As I've said to d3rr and others many times, I expect Saiditors to be exactly who they are. That's why I am here: to read their comments, to see perspectives that are very different from those I read elsewhere. Sometimes I point out fallacies, disinformation &c, but this is definitely not to change their minds.

Our identities are irrelevant, which I think helps with discussions.

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Thanks

My argument is NOT that I am offended. My argument is that it's 'bad faith' to tell users who don't seem to fit in DAR to GTFO. This phrase and others in the rules can be easily misinterpreted, especially because of the literal meaning of 'bad faith'.

This isn't a liberal safe space.

You seriously don't think I believe that, I hope.

Bad faith implies a level of deception.

If anyone thinks I am trying to deceive users on DAR, they're nuts, like tinfoil hat nuts.

Piss them off at your peril.

LOL

Read Chomsky's manufacturing consent

I read that when it hit the shelves in '88 (I spent a lot of time in bookstores), and have agreed with every word of it. I recommend that members of DAR read Christopher Lasch's 'The Culture of Narcissism'. It's very interesting to me that you've mentioned Chomsky, who is somewhat more left-wing than me, and he's known for political activisim. I am big fan of his work. Whats happened at Saidit is that many users agree with the disinformation at right-wing websites listed at /u/ShitpostNews. Those websites are intentially manufacturing consent with disinformation.

Uncle Ted's Manifesto

I read it when it was first shared online. I think many people agree with his points, which aren't so original, as he seems to have pulled them from late 19th and early 20th century philosophers. (Blowing up innocent people was a bad idea, however.)

There's lots of debate here

I'll keep looking

What a dissident is has already been established politically.

I've not seen this

Dissidents are not the same as rebels or revolutionaries.

OK - but it's not surprising when others ask you: what do you want and how do you want to get it?

All movements need good historical and intellectual underpinnings or they just fall apart and get taken over by other more thought out parties.

Agreed - 100%

Pointing out lies, child trafficking, sexual blackmail of elites, social engineering, government corruption, theft of resources, rape, lies about race differences, murder, psyops, color revolutions, systematic subversion, etc is not 'whining'.

Also agreed 100% - and many others also agree on this. If nothing is done about it, it's just whining. For example, DAR is already doing something, by discussing their interests. The question you are bound to face repeatedly will be: what's next?

Planning... nationaljusticeparty.com/

Thanks for the info. I'll have a look.

You want us to write down some type of violent or rebellious shit in a book so it can be used against us.

If it's so easy to argue against approaches in the book, why would you have any confidence in what's written? This is a really strange comment. Write what is credible and deserves to be written and stand by it. It's that simple. If you know it's problematic, now I am really curious about your comment.

That's another example of bad faith on your part socks.

Not in the slightest. Points in the book would be points made at Saidit, and perhaps here: nationaljusticeparty.com . I am not sure what I am missing here.

Shows you're not here to debate just steer us in the direction you want us to go and that direction is towards are destruction.

By reading and commenting on DAR posts, and agreeing with an idea for a book? If you don't believe in what you'd have to say, why write it? Or to put it another way: if you don't think Alt Right comments would hold up to critical thinking or scrutiny, why bother with Alt Right arguments?

Do you see now why people call you names?

Yes - this appears to be 'bad faith' on their part, to get me kicked off DAR (as it's true that I disagree with some of the posts; God forbid). I am obviously not too worried about name-calling, or I wouldn't be at Saidit. It's obvious I am not trying to deceive anyone on DAR, nor would any sane person think this (my comments are not so important). But someone who disagrees with some of the alt ritght posts here is apparently not welcome to debate the alt right.

The questions I note above are mainly rhetorical, and I do not expect answers to them. I've responded to your posts because I appreciate your approaches to the explanations, which help me understand DAR.

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Thanks - though as you've seen - many users at DAR differ from other users by reacting with those they disagree with by posting only insults and mean comments, rather than debates or anything above the base of the pyramid. Posts like this are literally in "bad faith", which again is one of the rules that apply to any disagreement. Is DAR really for debate? No.

The reason I like the book idea is because it will give some purpose to your concept of being a dissident. If DAR has true dissidents, then they would have a practical plan. Without the practical plan, there is no dissident activity. It's just whining. A book would help with dissident activity.