Both: What is the difference between a sexuality and a preference? What makes someone straight? What makes someone gay?

peakingatthemoment · 2021-06-26T13:58:31+00:00

Hi MissAnarchist!

I made a thread awhile ago about this topic and I feel like it was an interesting discussion. Legal sex change helped me a lot to being able to live a normal life and not have to deal with issues around me being transsexual or discrimination. That said, I know you can’t actually change sex so it is a fiction, it can be a helpful one. Anyway, I’ll leave the thread here in case it helps. Happy to have you here. 😊

https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/62sl/gc_legal_sex_change_is_there_room_for_compromise/

peakingatthemoment · 2021-06-08T23:30:13+00:00

Ssri discontinuation is a serious issue with measurable physical effects as well as psychological distress.

I agree with GB on this. How does stopping T not also cause both those things? It doesn’t mean you have to like female people taking it, but that is how it is for them.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-27T12:59:00+00:00

It’s not really my place to say, but I feel like most GC women seem to say they should be included. I think it’s like a tension though because transmen usually don’t see themselves as women.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-26T15:29:04+00:00

I don’t know. I don’t think there is anyone I’ve consistently identified with. My personal style has changed over time too as I’ve gotten older. I’m not very unique in appearance I don’t think, so there are many women who have similar styles. Pandemic life has been weird since we don’t go out like we used to or go to the office. It will go back eventually, but I feel like I spend my whole life in leggings now...🙃

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-16T14:07:34+00:00

1) Why are you GC or QT?

I’m mostly GC. It makes more sense and I really don’t like how pushy QT is. I don’t think I can be entirely GC though unless I like retransitioned/de-identified or stopped using women’s spaces and those things aren’t realistic.

2) Were you ever on the opposite side? (Ex. Went from GC to QT or QT to GC?)

Not really... I did read some Judith Butler in college, but it was difficult to understand. I did used to feel like I was real though, but I stopped after I met other trans people and became super disillusioned.

3) How do you define "man" and "woman"?

A man is an adult human male and a woman is an adult human female.

4) Transwoman are...Transmen are...

Males or females who transition. It doesn’t change our sex though.

5) What are your thoughts on the term "cis", "natal" and "biological"?

I really don’t like “cis”. I feel trans people became so much more pushy when “cis” started being used. Natal or biological are sometimes necessary to explain people’s history. I feel like QT is responsible for muddying the language so we have to use them more though. Like, if I just way I am a transsexual male, QT people will think transman, so you have to use something to make it clear.

6) Do you believe transmen can play in sports with biological men and vice-versa---can transwomen play in sports with biological women?

Not safely or fairly I don’t think. If transmen want to participate in sports with biological men that seems fine, although it might be risky. I wouldn’t want to tell them they couldn’t though unless men were against it.

7) What is considered misgendering?

In this space, misgendering is when you use sex-based pronouns or words like woman/man to a trans person who doesn’t want those words used for them.

8) Gender is...and sex is...

Gender is a set of behaviors associated with a certain sex. Sex is the biological path our bodies begin on before birth towards being able to have sperm or eggs.

9) Do you know people in real life that are QT if you're GC or that are GC if you're QT? Are they friends or family?

I’m basically closet GC. It’s not really possible for me to express those views I don’t think. I work in Human Resources and we are super QT, respecting all identities, etc. so I feel like I’d be fired if I expressed any views that were questioning anything. My friends are QT or at least think we should go along to make everyone feel better so I’d be nervous to bring it up.

10) How do people normally treat you based in your views?

GC women I talk with online usually project a lot of views on to me for being trans. GC spaces spend a lot of time focusing on certain types of trans people and it doesn’t represent all of us.

11) Are transmedicalist GC, QT, or neither?

Either QT or neither. I feel like it’s mostly a virtue signaling thing in online spaces.

12) What is one thing you wish the other side knew about your position?

I wish QT could understand than GC doesn’t mean anti-trans. Some people who use that label are anti-trans, but ideas themselves aren’t. Me as a child and other gender nonconforming kids would really have as easier time in a world where gender was less important or we were taught we could be however regardless of sex.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-03-15T23:32:39+00:00

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree with most of what you said. I did want to make sure it was clear that I’m not at all saying the definition should change. Social experiences don’t make someone a woman and I don’t believe TWAW. Being female is very different than being a male trans person, even if we share some experiences.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-03-14T22:54:49+00:00

I feel like we’d be in a much better world for everyone if ‘social woman’ was a meaningless concept. Like, I feel like I wouldn’t be able to explain a lot of things that happened in my life without being able to provide information about how I am, but it shouldn’t be the definition.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-03-14T15:37:55+00:00

Obligatory not QT, but trans. I don’t believe TWAW, but I do feel there can be a social definition. Like, if someone is perceived to be a woman, that matters a lot, even if we aren’t actually.

peakingatthemoment · 2020-10-07T12:54:19+00:00

Obviously not QT, but I am trans. I feel like this is just a weird gotcha question. I guess there could be trans natal males who just say they are women and don’t do anything to transition, but that still seems usual. Also, males who transition, but don’t have some type of cross-sex identity also seems unusual, so I’m not really sure who is being imagined.

Plus, it’s not like I go through life telling people I’m a woman and I’m not sure if most trans natal males do. It’s just how people group me. That doesn’t mean it’s not how I think of myself even if I’m not actually that, other than socially. Which category of man would I fall into?

peakingatthemoment · 2020-09-17T11:46:20+00:00

Is there a question you are trying to ask or are you just stating your opinion?

peakingatthemoment · 2020-07-26T15:29:57+00:00

my kink isn't as much a want as it is a need.

How can fulfilling a kink be a need?

(not judging, just trying to understand)

peakingatthemoment · 2020-07-14T22:47:12+00:00

“Reconstruct” is literally the word you used.

peakingatthemoment · 2023-05-15T23:55:51+00:00

Hi Beris, sorry I’m not more active and I appreciate your efforts. You’ve done more moderation of GC posters (and in general for awhile) than anyone has. <3

I feel like GC here is so jaded, they often come out really strong and scare people away. The moderated poster in particular should just post this stuff on Ovarit and not here I feel like. I guess there might be something satisfying to say it to trans person, but it doesn’t help us keep people around.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-10-28T13:32:29+00:00

Succumbing to political pressure is how we found ourselves in this mess! Trans activist’s have been pushing treatments on gender nonconforming and gender dysphoric children that aren’t backed by science because they feel like those are the treatments they would have wanted when all data indicates people who present with gender dysphoria during or after puberty are a different group! Finland, Sweden, and Denmark have been doing these treatments longer than the U.S. has and have found watchful waiting has better outcomes. Some gender dysphoric children will persist into adulthood, but most desist during puberty if they go through it naturally and aren’t affirmed. The treatment that trans activists are pushing does real harm to children, many of whom would grow up to be LGB, and I’m proud to stand with women, feminists, and LGB people in opposing it. I just hope that we return to sanity sooner rather than later so fewer kids are harmed. It’s heartbreaking. :(

peakingatthemoment · 2022-10-27T03:12:11+00:00

This is really wonderful news!!! I really hope more countries start taking a similar approach. I worry the USA might be one of the last because of how money driven everything is here.

Even if some kids grow up to be transsexual, most will grow out of it and become comfortable with their natural bodies. It is so much better than surgery and a lifetime of hormones. If someone still has to transition to be okay after puberty, they will be able to make that decision. Transitioning has so many downsides, I just can’t understand why so many seem to want to push it on kids.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-28T21:10:14+00:00

My usage of the word "trans" in that sentence didn't modify the word "woman" at all. That was my point. It added additional information, but the information provided by the word "woman" was unchanged.

Do you know what an adjective is?

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-06T23:25:30+00:00

I feel like grooming is definitely happens, but I'm less convinced about pornography being a huge factor in trans identity. I understand why radical feminists in particular want to focus on that, but I just haven't heard many detransitioners say that. Anime seems like it is connected though just because of how many trans identified people now are so into it. Yaoi too.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-03-19T20:12:27+00:00

I feel like ROGD teen girls are very much deserving of sympathy and I would not agree with most of what Snow said, but my understanding is ROGD types are often trying to appropriate gay male identities, even if it’s often through a super distorted lens (like Yaoi for instance). The underlying reasons for it are different than AGPs appropriating lesbian identities for instance, but everything I’ve read about ROGD makes me think that is a part of it often times. Am I wrong?

peakingatthemoment · 2021-12-12T15:56:08+00:00

Hi Worried! Thanks for sharing! It seems like a neat idea.

The list of suggestions is helpful. I don’t know if I will come out to anyone. Not listing pronouns in my bio or email signature, against our company’s guidance, is the only public thing I do in support I guess, but I’ve expressed my issues with the trans movement to my partner and some of my family.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-12-11T17:11:11+00:00

I don’t know if I have regrets exactly. My life is better than I ever thought it could be. I wish I could reproduce though. It probably more like wishing I could give my husband a baby naturally though more than anything that could have really happened if I hadn’t transitioned. The decisions that affected fertility happened when I was so young though and by the time I was 18, there wasn’t any going back. It didn’t matter to me at the time and I don’t see how it could have worked if I magically still had that ability, but it hurts to know you aren’t able too ever, even if it wouldn’t have been possible anyway. Maybe I just want to universe to be different and it isn’t rational, idk. It’s not like I ever been able to have a baby biologically with a man. It’s probably just wishing for impossible things.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-08-06T00:51:30+00:00

I feel like legal sex change has probably existed in one way or another forever. Before there was really a process, you could get just a judge to issue a court order to take to vital records. Even if that wasn’t possible, getting passable documents was probably much easier too or using something someone made to obtain legal documents. Employment would have been massively easier even if you couldn’t do a legal sex change because everything was so much less connected. You didn’t even need to complete an I9. I was really talking more about the 60s than the old west, although I feel like passing transmen probably existed then and possibly transwomen too, although not ones who would pass by modern standards.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-07-25T16:55:39+00:00

I feel like passing counts for something, just not changing sex. If you pass, you can move through the world being seen and treated as the opposite sex, but your sex hasn’t actually changed.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-07-09T23:17:24+00:00

All the talk about trans people not wanting to "out" themselves really means they operate in a deceptive mode much of the time.

Do you feel like passing is deceptive by itself? Just curious...

peakingatthemoment · 2021-06-09T00:42:54+00:00

I’m not trying to say T is medically necessary as a treatment, but it does have those same effects you mentioned earlier to SSRIs. All cross-sex hormones are medically damaging, at least to certain parts of our bodies, in the quantities trans people take them if we are being honest. It doesn’t mean that trans person won’t experience negative physical or mental effects from their standpoint though if you stop them.

Also, how is depression from gender dysphoria not organic?

peakingatthemoment · 2021-06-09T00:16:00+00:00

I mean, I guess you can say in certain circumstances there won’t be major physical issues (assuming they haven’t had an oophorectomy and their body can still produce hormones naturally), but I don’t see how you can say their won’t be mental issues whether from missing physical changes or other reasons. If they have had an oophoretectomy, they need hormones of some kind to stay physically healthy too. You can still not like it and be honest about that I feel like.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-05-28T13:54:44+00:00

My actions, according to you, are just existing. If people feel they are being harmed by my existence, that’s not on me, that is on them. Plus, they wouldn’t be harmed. Even the emotional harm you describe would only happen if I told them.

There are people who feel emotionally harmed by gay people existing, does that means that gays and lesbians all become celibate and not identify that way to make those people feel batter? Would not doing so would be immoral?

peakingatthemoment · 2021-05-28T13:33:14+00:00

Not telling someone your sex isn’t immoral because no one is harmed. I feel like you can say that there is a certain level of closeness in friendship where you should tell the person. u/LoveSloane has told me before that she would feel deceived. I’ve thought about that and I don’t totally agree that it means you have to share, but to me that is different than random coworkers or people you might encounter elsewhere in life. I feel strongly that if you date someone you have to tell them before anything intimate happens and not doing so would be very wrong. You should probably tell your doctor or medical professions so they don’t give you the wrong treatment too.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-05-28T13:07:55+00:00

Why do you feel like you have a right to know someone’s sex or medical history? I feel like that’s invasive except in certain circumstances where someone would need to know. Trans people don’t see themselves as deceiving anyone even if you do. If you asked me my sex and I lied to you that would be different, but it isn’t deceptive just to exist.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-05-05T18:48:08+00:00

Thanks for explaining! I had never heard of andrologists before.

The assumption amongst the trans community and the medical community as well is that gynecologists should have to expand their skill sets to be the ones to care for males who've chosen to alter their genitals.

I feel like this is true and really worrying. I don’t think it should fall on gynecologists necessarily, but that seems to be the way the medical community has handled it (and the trans community has supported it too). If you call a doctor with an issue, that is where they will tell you to go. Even putting aside all the trans stuff aside, those visits are just unpleasant. Some trans males being validated by it is disturbing. Fortunately, I feel like with good personal hygiene you can stay healthy and free from issues without regular visits, but I wish there were another choice where there wasn’t any worry about imposing on anyone (my OB-GYN and I have known each other a long time at least, but being around more GC ideas for the last few years made me more uncomfortable about the whole thing). I know you probably think I’m an awful person and I’m sorry for that.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-05-04T18:13:02+00:00

If you want to debate, you should considering taking your conversation to the actual debate space at s/GCDebatesQT. This space isn’t for that.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-16T14:16:26+00:00

1) What is your sexual orientation?

Gay. People see me and my relationship as straight though so I don’t currently have any challenges that gay men sometimes face.

2) Are you a transman/transwoman or a biological man/woman?

Transsexual male, transwoman, biological male, etc.

3) What region are you from?(North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa)

North America

4) Feel free to share your background story here of how you became GC or QT.

I don’t really feel like retelling, but I’ve been on the debate sub for like 3ish years.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-14T16:50:06+00:00

Yes, the effects of testosterone on the body are permanent with bone structure and stuff. Males who transition should give up competitive sports. I don’t know why people push for it. I feel like it can’t be fair any other way.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-10T17:22:28+00:00

I feel like using an app to heavily alter your appearance in photos is deceptive regardless of whether it involves a trans person or not. I’m not sure how I feel about dating profiles in general though and trans people. It seems like if you have the option to disclose trans status in a dating profiles you should. I never really experienced dating apps though so I don’t have strong feelings, but I do see how it could cause problems if you weren’t up front about it. Dating people you meet irl is different though and I don’t think you have to disclose immediately especially if it might out you in a larger social group. You need to be able to see that it’s going somewhere and know that you trust the person before that I feel like. If a guy asked me out for drinks, that didn’t give him the right to my life story immediately. You can still respect people I feel like and choose to talk about it if and when the time is right.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-08T15:20:40+00:00

Guess we have all the proof we need that reddit is anti trans, ladies and gentlemen, we got em. 😎

I guess this is supposed to be cute, but it just oozes misogyny to me. You are literally mocking us. This isn’t that difficult. For Reddit, men (the primary audience for porn subs) are allowed to have boundaries and women are not. It has nothing to do with Reddit being a large corporation and everything to do with misogyny that has been a feature of that platform from the beginning. Women having boundaries is not hate.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-08T12:57:17+00:00

You... Realize you guys aren't the only group attacking a minority group to be removed from these spaces, right?

I feel like you don’t understand the bans at all. R/Truelesbians, a space that existed for females exclusively attracted to other females, was banned. R/PCOS and other women’s health subs were banned or had their moderation changed if they weren’t seen as sufficiently inclusive even though only one group of people has to deal with these issues. R/GCDebatesQT was a trans inclusive place, but we were banned for wrongthink even after we went private and invite only. Reddit has made it super clear they hate women. Men’s health subs, gay male subs, and men’s porn subs are allowed to have boundaries, but women’s are not. Rape porn subs and subs about degrading women are allowed to stay up. Porn subs are even allowed to exclude transwomen from women for their allowed content. Reddit does not support women having boundaries or even trans people who don’t agree with their ideology.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-03T14:53:53+00:00

Maybe some people want different things. I could imagine someone who was very accustomed to male privilege might have trouble understanding why they were treated differently (because they didn’t realize the extent of sexism and misogyny before) or people who are part of queer communities not wanting to give up that community. I’ve been “cispassing” for about 20 years I guess and it’s been good for me. Straight world is fine, but I was never old enough to really be a part of queer culture so I can’t compare. Also, I never could pass for straight when I was younger so even when read as a boy, I wasn’t treated that well and was bullied a lot. Being read as female has its own challenges and a lot negative things have happened to me because of that, but I guess not experiencing adult life read as male means I don’t really feel like I can really compare the two other than looking from the outside.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-02T19:06:18+00:00

Nah it isn’t “being male” that is an insult, it’s “applying a term that I don’t believe actually exists” that is the insult.

So you’d equally put off if people insisted on saying you were female? I’m skeptical. :P

peakingatthemoment · 2021-04-02T11:58:17+00:00

Hi everyone! I was away for a few days and everything has blown up!

It looks like Gritix added another GC moderator, which is wonderful. I had asked for GC females to reach out to moderate previously, but no one had reached out. We need more people to moderate clearly.

I will log in later as I have time to weigh in more on the rules discussion.

I added nazi comparisons to the sidebar after we had an issue with that, although I’m not sure how many noticed.

I would support something like banning “cis”, but I don’t think we should remove misgendering rules all together or remove the bans on tim/tif. Calling someone a male or a female isn’t misgendering though, but calling a transwoman user a man or transman user a woman is. I feel like a lot of QT doesn’t understand that distinction and a lot of GC consider man and woman to be purely sex words too, but feel like we should maintain that. This space is and, has been since the early Reddit days, dominated by GC. I feel like some compromise is important for dialogue. The main GC subs, Ovarit, Spinster, etc. already exist if someone just wants to vent without having to watch their language at all. We want QT people to come here (I believe) so I feel like that is a fair standard to have.

We just need more moderation, especially lately. I clearly don’t have time to keep up with the number of requests this year and I tend not to be on when the most activity is happening.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-02-14T05:48:31+00:00

I think it's best to remind him, and burst that bubble. It's worse to help lie to him and make him go to that grave all the while thinking he's "straight" just because his male partner removed his penis, wears dresses, etc.

I feel like he’s fully aware of our situation. He just sees me how he sees me and likewise with himself. I don’t think I can “burst that bubble.” I’m just me and am not trying to support any type of lie. We totally aren’t homophobic either.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-02-13T23:18:05+00:00

I mean, I don’t think I’m deceiving him. He knows about my history. He can ask me anything and I will tell him. He even knows the name my parents gave me as baby. He doesn’t really like talking about that stuff though and I don’t really either. I wouldn’t want him to see me as a man and it’s not how I usually think of myself or how people see me in the world. I could understand why some people might be upset about it though or feel like it’s not honest. It’s complicated. I just feel like sometimes labels can get confusing.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-02-13T22:54:37+00:00

Maybe. I’m not going to try to convince him though, lol. I don’t think in a million years he could have been with a TW with a penis, so I feel like that gives him some straight points at least. I don’t go out of my way to remind him I am male though or anything like that and he doesn’t think of me that way.

peakingatthemoment · 2021-02-13T22:41:44+00:00

Sexual orientation is about sex. I feel like the things that we’re attracted to are more than genitals, of course, but genitals are very important. I don’t think I could have a relationship with a transman even if I found them very attractive on the surface.

I don’t think you can be monosexual and be okay with different genitals or people of different sexes. That would make you at least bi. I feel like at certain times like the terms become less useful though. Like, by husband certainly considers himself straight even though we are technically in a homosexual relationship. He only ever dated or had sex with females though and began our relationship believing that I was that too. If someone described him as bi, it would probably just be confusing.

peakingatthemoment · 2020-12-11T17:51:22+00:00

You are arguing right above this comment that some amount of people have naturally occurring femininity or masculinity. It’s a gender essentialist position.

peakingatthemoment · 2020-10-03T14:39:47+00:00

Yay! I’m glad you came. ❤️❤️❤️

peakingatthemoment · 2020-09-19T19:26:30+00:00

I think male seahorses are neat, but I don’t really know how they fit into this debate.

peakingatthemoment · 2020-09-07T14:22:15+00:00

Remove for violating sub rules (misogyny).

peakingatthemoment · 2020-08-13T19:45:27+00:00

I meant add some potential compromises.

I’m like 110% against self-ID allowing someone to change identification, but is there some standard that could be agreed upon? Like going back to more gatekeeping where someone would have to undergo surgery before being able to amend things. I feel like this worked better than how things are now. Under no circumstances should anyone convicted of sex crimes be able to amend documents like that. There could other standards that might work too.

Could we take sex off a lot of identification documents or make it only visible to people who really needed it (medical people, law enforcement if a crime has been committed)? I feel like maybe GC could support that even if you weren’t okay with legal sex change.

What could being able to change some documents, like IDs and passports, but leaving birth certificates with natal sex? Amending birth certificates is weird to think about anyway since it really seems like falsifying because even if someone believed sex reassignment is actually possible it still wouldn’t change how someone was born.

peakingatthemoment · 2020-08-12T16:08:02+00:00

Most of the time, it’s sort of a neutral thing. I feel like I notice it the most when dealing with sexism and how we are seen as less human and less competent than men, so I think more about the negatives.

From what I remember when I was younger, I felt like being a girl/woman made it where people understood me better and treated me better in most ways. I liked how I was being accepted by people and being able to fully express myself without being viewed negatively. I also felt like my body fit better with how I thought of myself and that made me more comfortable being (I had been terribly afraid of my voice changing and getting big).

peakingatthemoment · 2023-08-31T14:40:05+00:00

There are so many contradictions. :( “Cis” was a mistake. I understand wanting to be real, but adding a prefix to the actual thing doesn’t actually help at all and it’s wrong to force that on people.

peakingatthemoment · 2023-05-16T15:20:58+00:00

Hi BiologyIsReal! I’m very grateful for the work you did as a mod and I’ve always expressed that! I don’t just feel like it’s helpful for me to insert myself into this disagreement between you two that has gone on for like a year. It would just cause more drama. Sorry if that offends you… <3

peakingatthemoment · 2023-05-15T23:48:37+00:00

If it is true that you "pass" as a woman completely, I mean, you "pass" 100% and no one ever could tell you are actually "transsexual" by looking at you, then why do you mind if Republicans want to ban all males from the women's restrooms at all?

This is such a great point!!! I’m always confused about the panicking. I remember visiting North Carolina when they had their trans bathroom bill, but I didn’t think twice about it because, why would I? Passing means none of these things apply to you. I guess you can be concerned, but it wouldn’t be for yourself, would it?

peakingatthemoment · 2023-05-07T21:52:02+00:00

Meant to say welcome also! Good to see more folks here especially those who are not purely GC. Glad to have you here!!!

peakingatthemoment · 2023-05-07T21:36:05+00:00

Can GC and TS exist with compromises and will GC speak up if Republican men in power make it illegal to be trans and try and make the past a reality again?

Do you actually think this is happening? I don’t think it’s possible to make being a transsexual illegal, but I don’t love the attention it is getting. Trans activists are the reason for this of course. If they weren’t pushing ridiculous things then no one would be as focused on it I feel like. I don’t agree with a lot of things republicans do, but I don’t even think it’s possible for them to ban transsexuals. The Missouri law is positive because it adds more reasonable gatekeeping that should have been there all along I feel like. I received many years of therapy from all different types of therapists before I started medical transition. That’s not a bad thing. Your banning concern just seems so hyperbolic though… I just don’t see how it can be banned. 🤷‍♀️

peakingatthemoment · 2023-02-14T15:28:03+00:00

No, even if there was like perfect 3D printed females parts for males like me, we would still be male. I don’t think actual sex change will ever be possible, but even if it was we would still have the history of our lives before it that would be different than someone who was born that sex.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-12-27T14:05:35+00:00

Maybe I’m missing something, but what would be creepy, wrong, or disrespectful towards women about a boy receiving earrings for Christmas? I don’t think that GC would have a problem with that.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-12-14T04:17:09+00:00

I’m here, but wish there was more conversation. There aren’t many genuinely QT folks left. Miss talking with you all. I wish people who create threads would respond to more of the comments. 🤷‍♀️

peakingatthemoment · 2022-12-05T03:18:53+00:00

No, those are totally different things I feel like. Trans people might be more likely to be TRAs or more interested in the issue because they are trans, but it’s not all.
I guess, but what rights or protections do trans people not have? I feel like TRAs are the only ones saying trans people are missing them.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-11-26T21:30:47+00:00

I feel like I probably worded this badly, sorry! Being a transsexual is medical condition because of what happens our bodies, not like pre-transition. Like, I don't produce sex hormones naturally and, even though I am male, I've had high levels of estrogen and some progesterone for most of my life. My genitals were also surgically changed to be more like the sex I felt like I was. How bodies are different is different for different transsexuals, but we aren't like regular people of our sex any more. Maybe at first things are reversable, but it doesn't take long before they aren't. That's why I say it is a medical condition. It doesn't make sense to treat transsexual bodies medically the same way as a normal person their age of either sex.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-11-21T17:02:38+00:00

Oh wow, it’s a complicated question!! My belief currently is that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, but there a multiple causes for it and not all gender dysphoria is the same. It could be a medical condition too, but we don’t know that it is currently even though being a transsexual is a medical condition. My beliefs are strong just because of being a transsexual and being aware and involved with this issue for so long, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t change if we learned more. Some thing I’ve experienced personally I probably couldn’t be convinced on though. Like, no one can convince me gender/sex dysphoria isn’t real or that transwomen don’t commit sexual assault.

Does what gender dysphoria is matter for whether male bodied people should be in women’s spaces though? Even if a transwomen was 100% proven to be a “female” brain in a male body, women could still have issues with male bodied people in women’s spaces. I use some women’s spaces just in the world and I’m very much not comfortable with a visibly male person or person with intact male genitals being in space where I am vulnerable.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-11-19T00:14:29+00:00

I didn’t know that pansexual had become “transphobic.” I’ve heard about bisexual being “transphobic”, but I think it’s stupid. 😂

Just out of curiosity (feel free not to answer if it is too personal), why do you prefer biological men to mtfs (also biological men, but 🤷‍♀️)? I guess just based on the others things you said I would have guessed the opposite.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-11-05T15:38:58+00:00

I don't think kids socially transitioned are any more "locked-in" than kids who are told their gender is their birth sex and others use corresponding pronouns.

I don’t think it is more “locked-in” either, but I think it matters what you think is better too. Many of us feel like it is better for someone to be able to live as their sex and not have to alter their bodies in ways that sterilize them, decrease their life expectancy, and require permanent medication. If someone can successfully be “locked-in” to accepting their sex, that seems like a good outcome. If someone needs to transition to be okay, trust me, no amount of not affirming will make that go away. That person will still be able to transition, but we won’t be creating life-long medical patients from people who would have otherwise desisted. That’s how I feel about it at least. Transition should be treated as the last resort so it’s dangerous to do social transition at early ages because it leads to medicalization almost all the time. That isn’t what we should want for kids and it’s super sus to me that many seem to want that.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-10-29T13:27:11+00:00

I guess it was my mistake in assuming you were actually providing studies that would support your point. A cohort study without a control group that follows up for one year doesn’t tell us anything.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-10-28T20:36:32+00:00

I do believe the science and that’s why I hold the position I do. The studies being pushed to support your position are seeking those outcomes and, as a result, usually use very flawed methods. The first one you linked doesn’t even have a control group…

I wish you wouldn’t continue use the right wing or christians in your comments to try to tarnish us. I am not right wing, christian, or homophobic and I don’t agree with those people. I’m also not a reactionary so I won’t support or oppose things based on whether people I don’t like support or oppose them.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-10-28T20:04:10+00:00

Do you really think I hate trans people? I’m literally a transsexual and was a feminine boy who had dysphoria. My beliefs about are very much informed by compassion and empathy toward children experiencing those things.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-09-18T00:02:56+00:00

Like pseudo bisexual autogynephilia by proxy, something like that. Where transwomen who are attracted to transwomen are interpreted as being attracted to a person who confirms their identity.

I don’t understand this, but why wouldn’t it just be because many transwomen are GAMPs? GAMP and AGP overlap a bunch I feel like.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-09-17T15:55:15+00:00

Straight, but with issues or a fetish. They don’t act like gay men. Like you say, many have AGP or other fetishes.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-09-04T15:23:58+00:00

Yes, it’s probably better, but is it always possible? I don’t know. Dysphoria is real and I don’t know if self-acceptance is always enough. Maybe it is for some people and that is wonderful. It’s better I feel like not to transition, but some people have to I feel like to be okay. You could be authentically you without modifying your body, but you would still have dysphoria and that is really hard.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-07-15T21:11:02+00:00

Thanks so much for sharing!!! Wow, those sound like close relationships!

Feel free not to answer if this is too personal, but did this person you dated identify as trans before you started dating or did they begin identifying during the relationship? Everyone is different and I don’t know if they were FTM, NB, or MTF, but I’m just curious if there was anything super different for you compared to dating someone who wasn’t trans?

peakingatthemoment · 2022-07-15T20:57:58+00:00

Thanks so much for sharing!! Out of curiosity, are in you more LGBT spaces? Feel free not to answer if that is too personal. I don’t know anything about you obviously, but I could see maybe encountering so many if you are in those spaces, but maybe even just being in a major city means you probably know quite a few now lol. I’m glad you were able to have discussions. Were trans people generally willing to debate with you or were they more hostile? I know there is a reputation that they aren’t open to debate. Meeting trans people can totally your dispel your illusions (if you had them) about gender ideology I feel like. For me, encountering trans people in support groups really erased my ability to believe in the born in the wrong body type gender ideology because of how many of them behaved. I’m glad you still feel compassion at times even you hold to your beliefs and boundaries. I wish this issue/movement didn’t encroach on women’s rights the way it does.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-07-15T20:34:49+00:00

Thanks you so much for sharing!!! That’s interesting growing up around a TW. Do you remember how you thought about them as a child? Feel free not to answer if that is too personal. It makes sense that the mentality was different. It’s nice you at least had some positive experience. I feel like different people are transitioning than did in the past maybe or just it is all a lot more demanding than it was or both. It’s understandable that those interactions with trans people now would push you to be GC. I feel like the thing that makes me feel most ashamed for being a transsexual is that so much gaslighting, toxicity, and actual harm is coming from trans people and the movement/ideology around it now.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-07-07T19:28:53+00:00

By transitioning, you're committing a wrongdoing against either the group you're trying to enter or the group you're trying to leave, or possibly both - for all the reasons that normally apply to this kind of chicanery, that you would recognize if it was any other group.

Can you explain this a little more? I don’t quite understand the wrongdoing especially with “the group you are trying to leave.” It totally understand how someone could be doing harm to “the group you're trying to enter”, but maybe not always? I assume by entering or leaving groups you just mean socially, because you can’t actually change your sex.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-30T21:14:01+00:00

This is such a weird way of thinking about it. Is this something you think motivates males to transition or is it something that motivated you? I’ve heard hatred towards men or maleness from people like Derrple and others a lot, but I don’t relate to that. The patriarchy exists, toxic masculinity exists, and many men behave badly, but I don’t think any of that has to with why I’m trans (obviously I can’t really know how I would have been in a world where feminine boys were treated better or felt like we fit, but dysphoria is real). I like men and don’t think they are all bad people just because they are male or think I am bad because I am male, even if I wish I wasn’t. I feel like this question says a lot about you…

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-28T03:45:33+00:00

It’s always been weird about trans women getting upset about about biological definitions of women, because like, if they didn’t already know that for most people woman meant adult human female, they wouldn’t want to be considered that so badly. They really don’t want that to go away.

I don’t know if I understand the private definitions. Do you mean like how people use words actually?

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-28T03:35:23+00:00

I don’t have any power so no one really has to care what I think. For transsexual, a lot of people would use terms like pre-op, post-op, or non-op describe whether someone wanted or had surgery. I feel like non-op are probably different than me, but I don’t really control any language. Transphobia in 2022 just seems like a nonsense idea. I don’t think most current trans identified people now have any idea how normalized all this is compared to years ago. People without any power even talking about having less people transition are being accused actual of genocide. 😂

I feel like if it is just some internal feeling though like no one has to respect it. I know my dysphoria and sense of self is real, but other people might not believe that (and they shouldn’t have to) or just think I was a confused gay man. At least if it is treated as a mental illness with diagnostic criteria, questioning and observation from professionals, and gatekeeping, that makes it something more than just a feeling. Plus, it keeps anyone but people who genuinely can’t function otherwise from pursuing this because hopefully they wouldn’t go through it or would be recognized as being something else. It seems weird that we treat this one set of medical treatments, being done to otherwise healthy bodies, like something people can just choose to do rather than a treatment you receive because it is necessary like most other medical treatment.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-26T15:42:02+00:00

Obligatory not QT, but trans. Trans ideology doesn’t make sense and is full of contradictions. Calling someone a trans woman for a QT person would be more about their intentions or stated identity I guess. I don’t know if it really makes sense otherwise. If a male alters their body and is able to pass to people as female they are going to exist in society being treated as a female in most ways, regardless of how they identify. Likewise, if a male identifies as a trans woman, but it still seen as a male person I don’t think that identity means very much in the real world and I’m not sure why anyone has to care. Even people who support trans ideology recognize the difference between males and females, but are choosing to act a certain way to help some trans people feel better. I don’t think any of them stop recognizing sex or realizing it makes in difference in how people are treated unless they are actually insane. Trying to make everyone play along with something that they don’t believe deep down isn’t a good way to make things better for anyone I feel like.

I feel like it used to be that we used terms that made sense like transsexual. That at least means someone has altered their body to mimic the other sex as much as possible rather than just being something about feelings or intentions. A transsexual is something you can actually be that isn’t just about something supposedly in someone’s mind, it can actually matter in the world. I feel like if we use terms like trans it should be to refer to transsexual, but obviously that is a unpopular view now and many would says it’s transphobic.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-12T14:55:34+00:00

Hi loveSloane! Thank you for the unrelated note! 😉

I finished watching “What is a woman”. It was better than I thought it would be and made good case for how nonsense the current trans rights stuff is. The first scene with his son and daughter was so bad and made me feel like it was going to just going to erase gender nonconformity and dysphoria, but they did get discussed some. Scott Newgent was probably my favorite person he interviewed. Overall, it made me feel hopeful like maybe we are getting to the end of this craziness. I hope more people see it. I wish he had interviewed GC feminists, but he is a conservative and that would go against blaming feminists for this I guess.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-10T13:58:58+00:00

Glad it addresses important thing! I may try to watch it this weekend. Do you have the link you could DM me?

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-08T00:24:11+00:00

I’ve thought about watching it, but it’s hard to get past it being from Matt Walsh. He doesn’t care about women rights at all. Literally was celebrating the leaked ruling taking away rights to control our bodies. Maybe I’ll get the nerve eventually if I can do it without giving him money.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-08T00:19:41+00:00

Sorry if I misunderstood your intention… I haven’t read the whole thread. Yes, no surgery can change your sex. I didn’t realize derrple was thinking that. Literally this bottom surgery uses different parts to create things and it doesn’t function the same way other than for the basic sexual stuff and even then I’m sure it’s different. I still have zero idea what any of that is like for females and I know it’s not the same. It important to be honest about that and it’s sad to read when people pretend it is.

Edit: I see you deleted. I truly hope this wasn’t because of my reply. If you read this, I hope you will reconsider. Your voice here, especially as a desister, is really important. Take care!

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-08T00:04:30+00:00

Do you want to live in fear? I want to be mostly stealth too, but the genie isn't going back into the bottle I'm afraid. I'd rather have modern recognition and protections and quietly live my life on top of that.

I don’t feel like I have a choice totally, but I try not to think about it. Even though I don’t think there is much for fear about rights, I still wouldn’t want to be out because it would just different after that and I like being a normal woman (socially, obviously not biologically). Basic rights for me already existed prior to any of this push I feel like. 20 years ago you could still get treatment and change your identification. How is this push helping us?

I mean yeah, the right to transition should be for everyone, not just trans people, if they really want it. The right to exogenous hormones should be universal imo. And even the right to live a private life and not have your genitalia revealed to anyone who asks is not just for trans people.

Wow! That is not what I meant. I feel we need more gatekeeping, not less. People shouldn’t be getting these treatments without lots of counseling the ruling out other issues. I’m not for informed consent or self-medicating or any of that. Anyone who would go through any of this without chronic untreatable severe gender dysphoria has something else majorly wrong with them or is a creep who should be kept away from others.

I don't think hiding is a great longterm strategy. We can't rely forever on being in the shadows. We need to stand up and say that we aren't going away and that we won't let anyone take transition from us, if we want to stand a chance.

There was no talk of taking anything away from us until this push. I feel like that is the reason it is happening. If we had just kept quiet we’d still be just quietly transitioning and going on with life.

Less negative than doing nothing? I'd be so much more miserable without HRT.

Transition was very positive for me and I don’t know if I’d be alive without it, but that doesn’t mean I think it right for other people or something I would promote. It has a lot of downsides. If someone can exist with their natural body, they should do that. If they can’t, then they’ll figure that out themselves. They don’t need my permission.

if my existence as trans is a problem for cis people, then they better deal with it. because there's nothing wrong with being who we are.

I really wish I could feel this, genuinely, I wish I could see this the way you do.

I think it heralds a new era of greater body modification and autonomy, so I don't really see it as a problem exactly idk.

Oh dear… you really lose me with the trans humanism stuff.

Cuz it kinda sucks...also I didn't know what trans people were until I was nearly an adult. Nowadays people are more likely to know transition is an option before they personally feel it's too late. The bar for them to decide to transition is thus lower.

This is just so hard to I understand for me and I promise I’m not trying to be difficult... I feel like literally you do this when it is the only way you can have a functioning life, not cuz something kinda sucks. People don’t appreciate the trauma some of us experienced. It just seems so trivializing that it’s something someone could just decide to do.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-07T23:14:28+00:00

I’ve known u/derrple for a few years since the old debate sub. They’ve already made permanent decisions and probably don’t agree with me on much anyway in much anyway. I’m probably not the best person to talk someone out of surgery either because it was the right choice for me. It helped my life immensely. I doubt I would happily married with family now if I hadn’t done that. That doesn’t mean it would be right for most people or their couldn’t be complications and it’s probably better if you could cope with natural genitals because surgery isn’t perfect, but if you can’t it helps a lot and can make dating much easier. I know no one wants hear that, but it was true for me…

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-06T22:39:01+00:00

Nice to see you!

No, it's not.

I feel like more people being trans has been bad. It was better imo when we just mocked us with jokes and most people thought they never met one of us. I don't want us to have the attention. I just want to quietly live like I have. Also, more people transitioning isn't good because transition isn't the best.

We have a right to be trans and transition, I'm done thinking being trans is a miserable or negative situation, it isn't.

We don't need any special rights to be trans. If HRT didn't exist I would be trying to live the same life, just maybe not as well. Obviously, it helped that hormones and surgery existed, but I don't think it's possible to take those things away. I feel if anything putting all this attention to us puts those things more at risk.

I feel like being trans in the way I am trans is negative because I can't have a baby and have to take medication forever. If you don't think that is negative, then we just disagree.

She called all of us, happily transitioned or not, detransitioned or not, a problem to a sane world. Idk how you can possibly spin that.

Maybe this is my internalized transphobia (lol), but I feel like we are a problem! I understand why she says that. The only way someone like me fits is just by being under the radar. Being trans means I don't fit otherwise and I've accepted that.

The number of documented lgb people has gone up over time as well too.

Yes, it has, but the growth in the number of trans people has just been so huge. I literally remember when it was 1/20,0000. They are all over the place now. I don't think you can possibly compare it to increasing LGB people.

With greater access to transition comes less of a reason to stay in the closet for many. Nothing more.

I feel like it you had a choice to stay in the closet, I sort of feel like you aren't trans... If you could literally fit into the world as your sex why not do that. It just seems so much easier...

peakingatthemoment · 2022-06-06T21:16:41+00:00

Glad there is some activity! Nice to see the Derrple came by!

Wanting fewer people to be trans seems like a good thing. I just feel like being trans isn’t the best situation and if someone has the choice not to be, they should do that. That was how I interpreted it. The numbers of trans people have just exploded in the last decade or so and it’s hard to believe that is just something happening naturally, especially with social media playing the role it does.

I feel like she was very empathetic in the clip and not at all against people like me. I wonder how many people who are freaking out didn’t watch it…

peakingatthemoment · 2022-05-28T21:10:25+00:00

I feel like WPATH has been bad for awhile. This doesn’t surprise me at all sadly.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-05-22T14:06:52+00:00

Gender critical feminism has a relationship with masculinity that defines it's audience.

What do you mean by this? I do feel like many Rad Fems are super anti femininity and feel like it only exists to keep women oppressed.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-05-22T13:58:42+00:00

It's true that there is no a medical condition equivalent to gender dysphoria, but I'll argue that is because anti-racism groups have been more successful in arguing against "transracialism" than feminists have been in arguing against "transgenderism".

Thanks for replying! Do you think there actually is a “race dysphoria” condition? I guess I view gender dysphoria differently because it’s something that I know is real. I feel like someone could believe that and not necessarily believe in trans ideology though. It could just be a mental illness that should be treated with therapy or that the person could be taught to live with.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-05-14T03:25:00+00:00

I feel like Oli London and people like that are just super addicted to plastic surgery and body modification. I remember reading on the old GC subreddit about other people (usually men) like that who were super into body modification and then became trans. It’s hard to take any of it seriously.

I’m not QT, but since no one is responding I will try to play the devil's advocate. Being transgender is different than being transracial because it is a diagnosed condition. When I was diagnosed, it was called gender identity disorder. It is a real issue that some people experience. Transracialism isn’t like that that we know of.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-05-02T16:05:07+00:00

Thank you for defending trans people being parents! Sorry the people on Ovarit were so hostile to that.

I don’t think trans people are uniquely unfit to be parents or something like that. There are lot of non-trans people who aren’t great parents, but still have the right to reproduce if they choose to and trans people can be good parents. I made a thread about my own adoption stuff awhile ago that some interesting discussion in it I feel like.

https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/77ke/both_disclosure_around_adoption/

It’s confusing about the sex dysphoria aspects with trans people who reproduce traditionally. I know it’s something I never could have done with my dysphoria (also orientation lol). Anyway, trans is broader now and doesn’t just include people with that dysphoria.

Hopefully we can get to a world where kids aren’t being sterilized. I’m not sure how much I feel like peoples autonomy should be restricted that way. Reproductive capability such an important thing and may not matter to you when you are young, but can mean a lot later. Assuming I had the ability before, I had a surgery when I was 18 that made it no longer possible and I feel like that wasn’t old enough to appreciate what that meant (even if it never would have worked for me, it’s sad to be a biological dead end). Kids would be even less likely to understand and, if you don’t experience puberty, I don’t even know if you fully develop a sexuality. We are still growing and the things we want can change. I don’t know the perfect solution. :(

peakingatthemoment · 2022-04-18T23:21:07+00:00

That seems pretty bad, but it isn’t surprising with all the anti-gatekeeping attitudes and so many current transitioners being super online. I’ve heard of people self-medicating before and it is not a good idea. American healthcare should be better, but it shouldn’t be used as an excuse to put yourself in danger. Like BiR said, don’t post the link.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-04-18T23:12:59+00:00

So, I feel like AGPs control a lot and I’m going to say why, but I also want to say that is was never a trans activist in any way and I haven’t really been in trans communities in a long time, so my perspective is limited. That said, AGPs seemed like the dominant group in nearly any trans space I was in. I feel like it’s part of what makes trans spaces really toxic, especially for HSTS types.

First, AGPs are just much more common of the types so the things that are important to them are what get focused on. I feel like they are much more hardline about, sports, childhood transitions and wanting more people to be trans (I don’t know if that’s the right way to say it), than people like me are. I don’t know many people like me though so maybe that’s most trans people. I feel like maybe it’s wanting to live vicariously, like they are depressed and feel like there lives would have been better if they transitioned sooner so they want to see other people transition. It’s weird. To me, transitioning is like the best of a series of bad choices available at times, but never something you should want for someone. It’s not the best.

Second, trans groups and, I assume, trans activism ends up being mostly people who can’t pass or fit in in regular society. I feel like if you pass and are able to just exist being seen as your sex, you just would rather do that without having to deal with any trans stuff for the most part. That’s how I feel, at least, so most people in those groups can’t fit in so they feel like they need to make the world change. AGPs don’t tend to fit in as well or pass as well, regardless of age, just because of not being naturally feminine (I know someone people will say that isn’t a thing, but it tends to be for HSTS types).

Finally, most of the time they are just more aggressive and assertive too. Part of this could be that many or older and just have navigated the world as men more. They also may have experience more of that typical more toxic socialization because they are straight. I’m sure they are aggressive HSTS too, but it seems like less.

Does this make sense?

peakingatthemoment · 2022-04-08T20:17:56+00:00

I’m not sure what you mean by changing your gender identity but changing your gender legally would create all sort of problems for you I feel like. It don’t really know what is involved with it now, but it used to require be a lot of work too with needing letters from doctors and surgeons. I’m sure with the push for self-ID, it is probably much simpler, but it stills seems like it would be super disruptive to do it just to make a point.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-03-19T23:16:40+00:00

My understanding was that most ROGD teens are opposite-sex attracted. Part of what was unusual about the trans-identified peer groups in Litman’s original study is that they weren’t of the GNC lesbian type that was typical previously more for trans identification in females. I’m sure some ROGD teens could be lesbians, but it wasn’t my impression it was most. I don’t mean to say at all that I think the motivations or risks at the same as males appropriating lesbian identities, but it doesn’t make sense to me to say there isn’t any appropriation of gay male identities. There are other factors too so I’m not saying that as like it’s something super malicious they are doing, but it feels like we have to acknowledge that a little.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-03-19T00:03:04+00:00

I feel like I agree with what it is trying to address, but it doesn’t seem right for the state to go after parents who are probably meaning well and just listening to advice about how to best help their child. Some of them probably are genuinely bad people or living out something through their children, but not most. We should move to care standards that are more like what Sweden recently did, but this seems like overreach to me. It makes me wonder if my parents would have been targeted under this since I socially transitioned and received hormone treatment as a minor.

Trans activism seems largely to blame for laws like this to me though. Years ago, some younger trans people would quietly get treatment and live their lives, but TRAs choose to turn this into such a political issue I feel like. I know that conservatives are pushing it now, but I feel like it’s a reaction to how much this is being pushed rather than something that would have happened anyway. I feel like conditions were better for transsexuals during Bush rather whatever nonsense moment this is. I don’t know why TRAs felt like the world needed to change. It didn’t. We were fine. We didn’t need “cis”, the pronoun nonsense, males in women’s sports, trans toddlers, or all these creeps coming out as trans. This backlash is well-deserved unfortunately.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-03-18T23:41:08+00:00

Hi Fleurista, sorry I’ve been so slow to respond! This is an interesting topic!

Do you think trans people tend to be more inflexible in thinking and openness to new experiences overall than non-trans people? Do you think maybe only certain types of trans people or people with trans identities do?

I don’t really know. I feel like some trans people who are very gender focused might be more inflexible in their thinking. It probably isn’t like one group of trans people who could be like that though. A lot of us may have experienced being raised with really traditional ideas about gender and being trans doesn’t necessarily break those for you. I feel like other things in life can, but if you just think you are the wrong sex that’s more of a reinforcement than breaking them down. I’d don’t really know that many trans people well enough to know though. A lot of people are inflexible or lack openness to new things in general, so it’s hard to know if trans people would be better or worse overall.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-03-13T17:00:04+00:00

Genitalia is genitalia, regardless if it's a penis, vagina or something ambiguous.

This is super surprising to me. Is this really how you feel? Having a penis in a space where I am undressed or changing clothes would make me very uncomfortable. Has it happened to you? Also, how would the trans person be comfortable doing that? I have some experience with this because I had a penis for part of my life. Never in a million years would I have felt comfortable exposing it to someone, anyone, even sexual partners if I could avoid it. This is because I had dysphoria and it made me tremendously uncomfortable being there to the point I could become physically sick if I had to expose myself, even at a doctor’s for instance. Why is this person seemingly fine exposing themselves this way, as a trans person? I guess I do feel like if you aren’t dysphoric then, whatever is happening with you is something I guess, but you aren’t trans and shouldn’t be hiding behind that. It just seems like creeping to me.

peakingatthemoment · 2022-03-06T15:49:04+00:00

Saw this on Ovarit and thought it might be an interesting topic. There was another article on this topic a few years ago.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1363460719876835

It’s a weird thing to think about. I wish there was more information about how old people were when they transitioned or what their background was. I will be old someday and I feel like like this wouldn’t happen, but, the fact it is happening for some people, really should make anyone question just accepting these identities as innate.

This is also worrying! https://www.alz.org/aaic/releases_2021/transgender-adults-cognition.asp#:~:text=However%2C%20it%20is%20known%20that,are%20also%20linked%20to%20an

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