Magnora7 and D3rr have completed the Alpha version of the new reddit spin-off, and now we're ready for a new name to start the Beta version. Help us decide! by magnora7 in AntiExtremes

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I like that a lot more than the other options.

Pplus, reddit isnt just about news, and I wouldnt expect this site to be either. It might be about connecting with people, building and organization, education, etc.

F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules by magnora7 in technology

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The pessimistic view (and in my view more realistic) is that the masses will be led to websites that toe the line.

We see this with politicians who dont act out too much, like Bernie and Ron Paul, we see it with journalists who dont try to break stories that cross the wrong people, we see this with how face book is deciding which news is credible, and google alters its search results in a similar way. The list is essentially endless.

I expect if certain people get their way, the internet is just become more vapid that it is, with more entertainment, but also with more propaganda blended in. Sites that attempt to spread real info will be bullied out.

I dont know this for a fact, but I gave a few examples of a million where it has worked the same in the past. I see no reason to believe it would work differently.

I had to write an essay for a class I'm taking: "Scholarly Sources Are Often Incorrect and Must Be Vetted Carefully Before They Are Worthy Of Trust" by oldaccount29 in OldAccount29

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Bernstein, Carl. Rolling Stone, Oct. 20, 1977, www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php.

Carey, Benedict. “Many Psychology Findings Not as Strong as Claimed, Study Says.” The New York Times, The New York Times, 27 Aug. 2015, www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/science/many-social-science-findings-not-as-strong-as-claimed-study-says.html?_r=1.

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Hudson, John. “U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News to Americans.” Foreign Policy, Foreign Policy, 14 July 2013, foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/.

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Sebastian, Michael. Politico Hires Dell's Managing Editor to Build a 'Brand Journalism' Team.” Ad Age, 27 May 2015, adage.com/article/media/politico-hires-dell-managing-editor-stephanie-losee/298784/.

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Joyner Lucas - I'm Not Racist by necaremus in music

[–]oldaccount29 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Makes me wonder who is funding movements behind the scenes.

A massive list of links casting doubt on the trustworthiness of Mainstream Media, Scientific studies and more. by oldaccount29 in science

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You are welcome. :)

I like to be able to talke to people about politics, and actually be effective, which is hard to do, because people are subconsciously waiting for something they can use to dismiss everything else you say.

In order to counter this, I be very very conservative (not politically lol) with my claims in a conversations, only things I can back up.

People will still be very suspicious though, so I use a few techniques. The first thing I do is IF I have the ability to show them a source, I make a more outlandish claim,that I know they are almost certain to doubt, and then, when they express doubt, I show them the evidence.

For example, I might talk about how the US Government uses propaganda on its own people and that the CIA works with hollywood to alter movies to fit their desires, as does the US Military.

I know most people will have trouble believing that. So I show them something like this:

Carl Bernstein (of Woodward and Bernstein) wrote an article for Rolling Stone on how the CIA had significant influence over journalists in the US. http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

"On television, we found more than 1,100 titles received Pentagon backing – 900 of them since 2005, from ‘Flight 93’ to ‘Ice Road Truckers’ and ‘Army Wives’" "These included blockbuster franchises such as Transformers, Iron Man, and The Terminator." "When we include individual episodes for long running shows like 24, Homeland, and NCIS..." https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hollywood-cia-washington-dc-films-fbi-24-intervening-close-relationship-a7918191.html

"Meet the Parents. The CIA admitted that it had asked Robert De Niro’s character not possess an intimidating array of agency torture manuals."

"They were still able to derail a Marlon Brando picture about the Iran-Contra scandal (in which the US illegally sold arms to Iran) by establishing a front company run by Colonel Oliver North to outbid Brando for the rights,"

"On Hulk...disassociating the military from the gruesome laboratories that created “a monster” and changing the codename of the operation to capture the Hulk from “Ranch Hand” to “Angry Man”. Ranch Hand had been the name of a real chemical warfare programme during the Vietnam war."

(also zero dark thirty) https://theconversation.com/washington-dcs-role-behind-the-scenes-in-hollywood-goes-deeper-than-you-think-80587

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2008/nov/14/thriller-ridley-scott

And one last thing, this is a bit more on the unsubstantiated side (I think its true) Appearently Anderson Cooper of CNN never when to any kind of school for Journalism, but he WAS interned at a company that was a CIA front. (which doesnt make him a CIA agent of course, but its intriguing.)

Most people will be very surprised by this. And it only takes one or two facts like this for them to be very cautious about dismissing any claims I make.

So anyways, I like to compile large lists of high quality links on a single subject that I can link to when needed. Thus this thread. Now I know I dont need to be cautious when discussing this subject, because if someone challenges me, it would take thirty seconds to shoot their argument out of the water.

More and more online I see character assassinations instead of productive discussions by magnora7 in whatever

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Sorry for spamming here lol but heres a few more links

https://alternativeto.net/software/reddit/

---By the way, that site is great for finding alternative apps, programs, websites, etc just in general for any purpose. (look at the last few alternatives at the bottom especially)

http://www.corporations.org/media/

State of the Website - AntiExtremes.com updates 11/19/2017 by magnora7 in AntiExtremes

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Is there a way to view all of the subs here? (I mean like to see a list of all of them?)

More and more online I see character assassinations instead of productive discussions by magnora7 in whatever

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I wanted to add, I mentioned:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ModerationTheory/

Theory of redit I believe is a fairly thriving community, and I bet they would have some interested stuff to add to a wiki like that. Im specifically interested in forums that have a counter culture goal in mind, but even so.


A large list of FICTIONAL media (books, movies etc) that are "subversive, counterculture, red pill, etc" for you to bookmark. by oldaccount29 in OldAccount29

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Its worth it. Haven't seen it for years.

Along the lines of 1984 or V For Vendetta. I think its an alien invasion, but the aliens masquerade as human, and use propaganda etc to control everyone. Main character gets glasses the lets him see everything for what it is. "woke glasses" lol.

More and more online I see character assassinations instead of productive discussions by magnora7 in whatever

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I would love to make a wiki (there are lots of options for wiki templates that can be downloaded and hosted) to go document ways to have a discussion online. It would document all sorts of possible features, link to examples in use (like how you mentioned slashdot) it would document serious problems each feature tends to bring, and possible solutions. From there, it would list programs in place that can be used now liki phpbb and the reddit template this site uses, and then also the end goal for the wiki for me I think would be to start a large open source project/s that anyone could use separately, and fork and change at will. Im too busy to set that up, but i would happily contribute to it.

I want to see a large number of thriving communites separate from each other, but perhaps linked. Not as linked as reddit is though, I would want the control to be decentralized completely. At the bottom of this comment I link to a couple of sites, I think one of them has decentralized nodes.

My posts on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/4sjv6s/internet_forums_part_1_every_part_of_how_a_forum/?st=izv6yxeh&sh=00251547

https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/4tjsxz/internet_forums_part_2_reddits_design_influences/?st=izv6xoqs&sh=d018b3f4

https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/5xmhe4/internet_forums_part_3_if_c_s_t_didnt_exist_but/?st=ja7i378p&sh=08b224b2

Relavent subs:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModerationTheory/

Other websites

http://friendi.ca/

https://diasporafoundation.org

Weaving together by magnora7 in gifs

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I feel like I could stare at that for an hour.

More and more online I see character assassinations instead of productive discussions by magnora7 in whatever

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Ive thought a lot about alternatives to current social media.

I think a major issue on reddit is the upvote system. Its used too often as a disagree button, and it also has a side affect of people conforming their comments with what will be upvoted.

I made a series of posts (on reddit) discussing alternatives.

in general basically every option that is included or not included on a forum, every feature, algorithm etc helps to shape the type of discussion that is had. Knowing this, you can help to shape the conversation. This can be abused of course, but there are many possible positives.

Look at how this site works: https://www.kialo.com/explore it allows for an ongoing conversation, not one that will be buried in 24 hours. It allows for vast complexity in discussion that is organized and (kind of ) easy to sort through. It is very different from the reddit format, and it shapes the conversation differently.

In terms of voting, I would like to see a site similar to reddit but with a much more robust voting system:

Maybe instead of voting, you have a series of tags you can give a post, like "thoughtful", "credible", "funny", etc.

Maybe you can vote similar to what i just said, you can vote something as funny, thoughtful, interesting, amazing, etc. Then you can sort the posts in these different ways.

Lets say I wanted to make a forum, and I had a vision of a place where people talked about political issues, philosophy, etc - deep issues. I want them to be able tofilter out bad comments reliably, and to find good comments. i want to tone to be very respectful and mature. One thing I could do is make it so the types of upvotes that can be given match what I want. So:

Lets say I dont care about peoples specific opinions, but I want: respectful, effort, mature, thought-provoking comments. That could be my upvote system. you can upvote based on one of those, and nothing else. Now the influence of the voting system will be far better than reddit's system, at least for my goals.

Furthermore, once there is a voting system, what if I could weight votes various ways? For example, I could make it so all comments and posts that get a "thought-provoking" upvote will be treated as if they received 5 votes instead of one. This is one reason why I like the tag system instead of voting. People could tag posts whateve, and then weight each tag whatever they want.

So, say a post is tagged "NFL". Im not a fan of sports so I weight "NFL" to be worth -100 votes. You like sports so to you it is worth +10 votes. So each time it is tagged by someone, that is another vote.

You could use the system similarly to weight a single user. Maybe I find someone who is always very respectful, and challenges my beliefs in a good way. I could make is so that whatever he votes on will be weighted a certain amount. Magnora7, I recognize and enjoy your posts and comments on reddit, so I could weight you vote on threads as +1000. now whatever you vote on with be shot to the top, except in the major subs. This is problematic, because the effect is not equal across all subs. There are solutions though. the Weighting could scale based on the number of user in a sub. so in a smaller sub your vote would be worth ten and in a larger sub your vote would be worth 10,000. This is a little better, but not great. Another option is to make your vote worth "a percentage of the total votes for that thread". the percentage could be over 100%, and I could make it so if you voted a thread up and someone voted it down, and I both had you equally weighted, it would cancel out.


thoughts?

Hook N Sling - Break Yourself ft. Far East Movement by magnora7 in MusicVideos

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https://youtu.be/xw110Qt2JsE?t=68

I thought that was Shia LaBeouf. lol.