Just got this notice about being in the WatchRedditDie discord server by [deleted] in WatchRedditDie

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This is why we need to go back to IRC.

Professor calls senator transphobic for asking about women's rights by WildApples in GenderCritical

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Jesus, that exchange. That woman is a professor? She came off as so infantile.

This country is going in an ugly direction.

Old kids in the hall sketch, I don't remember it being this bad back then... by xandit in LGBDropTheT

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What was once satire is now documentary.

trans suicides history? by Challenge in GenderCritical

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Keep in mind that whenever "gay" FTMs talk having read Yaoi pre-transition, this is what they're referring to by lunarstrain in LGBDropTheT

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I remember trying to read yaoi as a gay teenager, and just thinking, wow, this is not for me. It was about a cop and a younger guy (like teenaged) and it felt like it was written for women, not gay men.

"The Science of Being Transgender" (Thoughts on this video?) by Kai_Decadence in GenderCritical

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As for the book itself, I actually just started reading it and I am 2 chapters in and I've gotta say as a feminine gay man myself, this is hitting WAY CLOSE to home

I had the same experience when I read it. The part that really got me was when he talked about a study which looked at dancers and found something like around half of the straight dancers pursued dance because they wanted to, whereas for gay dancers, the vast majority did. That's what happened to me as a child: when I was a little boy, I remember going to my sister's dance recitals and really wanting to dance, but my parents wouldn't let me. Before I read that I was a bit skeptical about the notion that sexuality was innate, but that convinced me.

I should also point out that any neuroscientist will tell that we don't really know how the brain works. We don't know how moods are created, how thoughts are created. We can't point to the memories or visions or sounds in the brain, nothing. The West has a real fetish for materialism but there's just no evidence that the brain even contains our minds or anything like that. I once read about a woman whose brain was basically missing (IIRC she had a small bit of it) and she functioned more or less normally. We know so little about it. And yet people would have you believe that sex is in the brain, somehow, whatever that means.

It makes so much more sense when you realize that transgender people transition because they want to. If they didn't want to, they wouldn't, and for all the talk about dysphoria or whatever, if that was really the issue they would seek to end the dysphoria. People with OCD don't go to psychiatrists asking for help getting rid of germs. People with a fear of snakes don't go to psychiatrists asking for help eradicating the world's snakes. And if you hated your penis, as transgender people claim to, would your thought be "let's cut it off?" They do it because they want to. And I think Blanchard's typology is much more coherent than any notion about "brain sex."

Also, the more I think about the Sjoen study the more I realize it doesn't exist. When I googled the other study, I found tons of links from popular news sites interviewing the author and talking about how she proved trans brains are real. But I can't find a single article about this 2600 person study. You'd think that would be a big news story no?

edit: I also found it funny when he talked about "nonbinary brains." He was correct in quoting that scientist who said that most people's brains are "in between." But she wasn't talking about "nonbinary" people, but rather non-transgender men and women's brains. I wonder how Mr. Science would explain that? Should those people be informed that they've actually been nonbinary all this time?

"The Science of Being Transgender" (Thoughts on this video?) by Kai_Decadence in GenderCritical

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As someone who watched the video, I can confirm that this is a good summary.

"The Science of Being Transgender" (Thoughts on this video?) by Kai_Decadence in GenderCritical

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I tried to find those two studies, but the links he provides don't even cite them. For the Sjoen MRI study, there's one about Sjoen which doesn't even talk about MRIs, and another about MRIs in general which doesn't mention Sjoen or transgender people. I'm not even convinced the MRI study he talks about even exists because when I googled it the only references I could find were citing his video. As for the one with 160 participants, he has a link, but again, not to the original study. This time it's an article from LGBTQ Nation. I tried to look for the study myself, but the best I could find is an abstract. Supposedly it was presented at the European Society for Endocrinology in 2018, but if it was published I can't find it.

But let's be real. Did this guy read any of these two "completely authoritative" studies? No, of course not. The study by Bakker with 160 participants, he quotes from that LGBTQ Nation article. That's probably all he's read. And do you suppose he could explain what a male brain is, what a female brain is, and how they're different? No, of course not. He's blathering on about science, science, science, but this guy has no idea what he's talking about. That's why he keeps asserting it's PROVEN and SCIENTIFIC FACT. He knows he has no real facts to back him up. And then at the end he says they did 6 hours of research. Ask any academic, that's absolutely nothing. Most scientific books can't even be read in 6 hours. He knows nothing.

Now when I was younger, maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I started to become critical about transgenderism, and I started to become critical about brain sex. I remember wondering, what is a male brain? What is a female brain? How do we know which is which? Besides, if a brain is in a male body wouldn't that make it, by definition, male? And why stop at sexed brains? Are there female livers? Male kidneys? Why not? And if someone had a "female brain in a male body," how would you even know? What does being a female feel like? And how should someone who by any reasonable definition is male know he's feeling female? How can you feel like something you're not? And that's not even to mention "nonbinary" people. Do gender fluid people's brains change? Are agender people missing part of the brain? Do bigender people have two brains? It makes no sense.

So, I did research. More than 6 hours I'd reckon. He's actually completely lying when he says there were "no studies without bias before 2015." There were a number of "transgender brain" studies starting in the mid 1990s with Zhou et al. They were all debunked because they either had small sample sizes, or didn't account for sexual orientation or hormone use. Factor those in and the "transgender brain" disappears. My guess is these two studies he mentions have just the same problems as the ones I read, if they exist at all.

After reading the trans brain studies (there aren't very many), I stumbled on the book "The Man who Would be Queen" by J. Michael Bailey. It's about the idea of Blanchard's typology, that there are two kinds of MTFs: homosexual, who transition because they're naturally feminine and transitioning makes their lives easier, and nonhomosexual, who are not naturally feminine and transition due a fetish for being a woman called "autogynephile."

Read that book and tell me which idea makes more sense.

Because lying to your doctor is always a smart move by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I remember reading years ago (perhaps in The Man Who Would be Queen) that it's common knowledge among psychiatrists that transgender patients lie. They're not stupid, they can read the DSM just as well as anyone else, and they use it as a study guide.

Marsha Marsha Marsha - the rewriting of history in concrete by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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The fact that the transgender community protects awful people is exactly what attracts them to it.

How dare there be butches and tomboys while I repress my womanhood so hard!! Alphabet soup, cater to me instead!!! by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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This is just sad. You can't control what other people do, so if you're going to base your self worth on other people's actions, how they look relative to you and whether or not they shower you with compliments, you're always going to be miserable. And the fact that the trans community encourages this mindset is just cruel.

New NY Gov is pushing this shit too 😩 by spanishprofanity in LGBDropTheT

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That's a really good question. Honestly, she'd probably be just another drug addict, homeless when not living off of the generosity of friends, who no one really cared about. Well, certainly not someone the Governor of New York or a teenager with blue hair and pronouns in their Twitter bio cares about.

Transing the internalized homophobia away by spanishprofanity in LGBDropTheT

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Little does he know that tall women are looked down upon (no pun intended) for not meeting gender standards.

Something tells me those around him don't exactly perceive him as a woman.

Stop bringing sex to a discussion about sexuality! by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Maybe they meant annoying?

I'm gay. I like men. No, not THOSE men. But we're still men. I mean... um... er... by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Say it louder for those in the back:

👏TRANS👏SUPERGAYS👏ARE👏VALID👏

A lot more people would identify as attack helicopters if they understood what it meant by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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"What does non binary mean?"

"It means don't identify as male or female."

"But what does that mean? If not male or female, what? And what does it even meant to identify as a gender? If you don't base male or female off your body, what does it mean to be a man? What does it mean to be a woman? And what even is gender then?"

"... bigot! Transphobe! Terf!"

r/lgballt:"Clowngender is heckin cute and valid uwu" they are beyond parody at this point by FineIWillDoItMyself in LGBDropTheT

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They're all clowngenders.

The eternal delusion by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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Aceflux sounds like a brand of some sort. "what flux do you recommend?" "Aceflux. I find that's inexpensive and easy to work with."

It's transphobic to describe yourself as "same sex attracted", according to AskTransgender. by FediNetizen in LGBDropTheT

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It means "apostate."

The eternal delusion by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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"What a dirty, slutty little princess. Kneel before your Queen."

This is the top comment with 478 upvotes. But it's totally not a fetish /s.

We Made It! by julesburm1891 in LGBDropTheT

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Thank god. I miss when it was just a weekend.

Even gay furries are not safe from genital preferences policing by the genderosexuals by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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What happened to furries? They used to be just nice silly people that tried pretended very hard for that furry stuff not to be seen as wasn't sex and fetishes.

FTFY

Concerns we're heading for a misgendering crisis as 61% of Brits never ask about pronouns™ by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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According the article 61% never ask about pronouns and 6% always do. They don't say anything about the other 33%. Also, it's a survey. Just because you say yes to something on a survey doesn't mean you actually do it.

But please don’t trigger my dysphoria by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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But it's not a fetish /s.

Growing up an as a gendqueer bi/pan/omni/greysexual... by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I wonder what these people think being 'discriminated against' actually means.

My guess it went something like this:

"I'm genderomnipanqueertwospiritdruzedemiaceromanticbipanphobic"

"lol that sounds like bullshit to me"

A million eye rolls 😒😒😒 by GayBoner in LGBDropTheT

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The pride flag is starting to look like a NASCAR uniform.

Historical Fact Checking by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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Same. I remember reading about Syliva Rivera as she relates to transgender history, but never Johnson.

NPR casually erasing same-sex attraction while also making pride all about the T by julesburm1891 in LGBDropTheT

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And what even is "gender" anyway?

LGB activist Fred Sargeant (who WAS at Stonewall) gets an apology from US trans site by BEB in LGBDropTheT

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A lot of the LGB veterans are getting up there in age.

And of those who aren't, many died of AIDS.

LGB activist Fred Sargeant (who WAS at Stonewall) gets an apology from US trans site by BEB in LGBDropTheT

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Defamation isn't illegal. It's a tort, at least in the US. That means that if someone lies about you in a way that is meant to damage your reputation, you can sue, but that's different from a crime which the police will take care of. A lawsuit requires lawyers, and those aren't cheap.

LGB activist Fred Sargeant (who WAS at Stonewall) gets an apology from US trans site by BEB in LGBDropTheT

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Seems like they only took the article down and apologized because he threatened to sue. Make of that what you will.

Literally this is my Grindr bio and yet... by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I knew an ftm in college. If you saw a picture of her from the neck up, you'd think "oh, that's a guy." She had a fairly masculine face and more facial hair than I could grow at the time or even now. If you actually met her though, it's hard to miss the fact that she was maybe between 5'2-5'4 and had hips that were wider than her shoulders. I clocked her as ftm long before I was told.

So relieved we're back! This is an LGB sane place. They need safe spaces? We need SANE spaces! by our_team_is_winning in LGBDropTheT

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Reminds of this Atlantic article, which first complained that "terfs" were on Reddit, and then complained that they started their own websites.

Fred Sargeant banned from Twitter for criticizing "candidate running for councillor who demands to be called both 'he' and 'she'" by odius in LGBDropTheT

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And it's so short sighted too. I don't think they're going to be whining "private companies can do what they like" when it's someone they like who gets deplatformed.

I don't even understand 1/4 of this gibberish by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I don't even understand 1/4 of this gibberish by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Interesting. I'm sickofgender.

Thoughts on the early 2010s song "Same Love"? by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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I find it sorta preachy.

Magdalen Berns' controversal tweet by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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JK Rowling has been nothing but diplomatic in the way she talks about transgender people. Where has that gotten her?

Grindr's new Twitter image: resistance is futile, you will be assimilated by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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It's funny considering how actual gay men don't give a shit.

Malcolm Michaels Jr.'s (AKA Marsha P. Johnson) 1992 Obituary, from The Advocate by odius in LGBDropTheT

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Yeah, that's the impression I got from reading the primary sources. She certainly wasn't the "trans civil rights icon" she's painted as today. BTW, do you have that source from Fred Sargeant?

When only a queer haircut can save your relationship from being exposed as boring old heterosexuality by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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half the head is shaved

Malcolm Michaels Jr.'s (AKA Marsha P. Johnson) 1992 Obituary, from The Advocate by odius in LGBDropTheT

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Yeah. Compare that to the NY Time's 2018 obit. They paint her as some grand civil rights leader, but the paper only referenced her twice before in its history: once in an interview with Sylvia Rivera in the 90s, and in 2002 in Sylvia Rivera's obituary. The reality of who she was vs. what people believe about her is shocking.

Malcolm Michaels Jr.'s (AKA Marsha P. Johnson) 1992 Obituary, from The Advocate by odius in LGBDropTheT

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To which I would say

  1. Transsexual was though, and transgender was gaining usage
  2. I don't think The Advocate, the most prominent gay and lesbian magazine in the US, would do any such thing

BTW, if anyone can find a source from when MPJ was alive calling her transgender or transsexual, or better, one of Marsha herself saying it, I'd love to see it, because literally everyone I've seen has called her gay, a drag queen, or a transvestite.

The backbone of the gay community by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I've been doing some research on Masha P. Johnson, it's interesting. There's not that much information I can find about her, but while most modern articles call her transgender, every article written around the time of her death and when she was alive calls her a drag queen or transvestite. In this article from 1979, she's quoted as saying:

“For the last 17 years,” Marsha said, “my life has been built around sex and gay liberation, being a drag queen and dating all the time. It can get very boring you know, darling, all these men. Some­times they hassle me if they thought I was a woman when they picked me up. I just say: ‘Honey, this is like Macy’s Depart­ment Store. If you like the merchandise, you take it. If you don’t, I got to go.’ I’d like to stop hustling and have a regular husband. It’s easy to get a husband, but it’s not easy to get them to, support me, or pay the bills, or give up sex. Because, honey, gay men don’t give up sex for anything. My best husband — I met him dating — was a junkie and he got shot in a robbery. He wasn’t a very good man, but he used to give me everything. I’ve had eight husbands and eight separations and none of them have given me a white house and picket fence.”

Anyone who tells you Marsha P. Johnson was a "transwoman" is a historical revisionist.

NY Times Op-ed naval-gazing about how you can be trans if everyone isn't constantly affirming it by odius in LGBDropTheT

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Yes I noticed this after I made the post.

Or maybe it's just your conscience telling you to knock it off by barnarnas in LGBDropTheT

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This is what happens when you base your whole identity on everyone believing you to be something you're not: a lifetime of misery.

Peer-reviewed research article: Among 139 boys formally diagnosed with gender dysphoria, 88% total desisted, and 64% total were either bisexual or gay. by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Research going back decades has shown this to be the case. People started transitioning children despite knowing most would grow up to be well adjusted lgb adults if left alone.

The article talks about how previous studies were criticized with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy: "The rate of desistance is too high, these boys must not have actually had gender dysphoria in the first place, so you can't say it went away!"

This has been the sort of response of gotten when I've shared articles about children with gender dysphoria desisting in the past. I doubt this article will get a different response.

"Why do they want to create a generation of sexless young bodies that, instead of ageing normally, will deteriorate fast and in unexpected ways? What is the end game of gender ideology?" by BEB in GenderCritical

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Who are "they?" I think transgender adults want to prove that being transgender is an innate condition, evidence since early childhood, which cannot be changed. So transition children to prop up that narrative. They don't care about what happens to them in the long term, or perhaps they think it's worth it.

As for the doctors, I think a lot of them see transitioning children as their ticket to fame and fortune.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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Seriously? Where have you been the past ten years? You get called a bigot for saying things like "woman are adult human females," "lesbians don't like penis," "maybe transitioning five years olds isn't a good idea" and "there's a difference between cis women and trans women." People call Dan Savage a bigot when he's been kowtowing to their community the past 20 years. They call Abigail Schrier a bigot for writing a book that simply criticizes transgender ideas.

Or here, have you read JK Rowling's essay? How could she have written it in a way that wouldn't get her called hateful?

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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I'm not saying we should go around calling transgender people slurs. But if you think being polite is going to endear our ideas to them, then you don't know how the transgender community works. To them, any amount of criticism= bigotry. Saying things they don't want to hear is bigotry. /r/gendercritical banned slurs. Did that stop the admins from banning it?

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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It will be the inability to distinguish ourselves from bigots that will cripple the movement.

What makes you think they make a distinction? Shall I rattle off more names of people that have been called bigots for politely expressing criticism? Does the name JK Rowling mean anything to you?

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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Exactly. Rude= says things transgender people don't want to hear. There's no respectful disagreement with them.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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"Best behavior" will get you nowhere. They call you a bigot no matter what. How many people here have gotten called a bigot for simply asking questions? Who here didn't know what a "terf" was until they got called one? FFS, these are people who call people like RuPaul, Buck Angel or Dan Savage bigots. Dan Savage in particular has spent the better part of the last 20 years kowtowing to the trans community and trying to prove how "not transphobic" he is, for columns he wrote and apologized for decades ago. Where has that gotten him?

Conflating "the gc position" with bigotry isn't something they do because of the words we use, it's how they silence us. And if our response is to quiet down and follow their (arbitrary, ever changing) demands of language, all that's doing is giving in and crippling our movement.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

[–]odius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

... a subreddit that goes against trans orthodoxy. /r/gendercritical existed for what, 7 years until it got banned? I was there since basically the start. It didn't get any more polite over that period of time- it got bigger. And when the admins banned it? They took down all the subs- big, small, jokey, serious, even the debate sub.

What do you think would have happened had that poster not used the word troon? "Oh, well you're so well mannered, I guess you can have your sub back!" The admins decided last year that there would be no critical thinking about transgender issues. The words we use won't change that.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

[–]odius 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please. It doesn't matter how polite or diplomatic you are. The moment you speak out against the transgender orthodoxy you get called transphobic.

Those of you who were once full on SJWs, what was your woke breaking point? by Butterlogs in LGBDropTheT

[–]odius 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't say I was a "full on SJW," but I was certainly sympathetic to their ideas. When I first came out as gay (this was in 2009), I was very interested in transgender issues, and I read a lot of articles, watched a lot of documentaries and lurked on forums. Not because I had an interest in transitioning, but because I always found it fascinating, and we were the "lgbt community" (or so I was told), so I wanted to learn more about my community. I never really understand why people transitioned (there was a lot less talk of dysphoria then), but I just read those forums and sorta assumed that transgender people knew something I didn't.

It's funny, people say if you want to stop someone from being a homophobe, introduce them to a gay person, but I wasn't "transphobic" until I met trans people. This was at my college's lgbt club. Well, it was more like the lgbT club. Not only were there tons of trans people, but it seemed very obvious that being trans was a trend. They worshipped trans people, and talked like trans people were the only real "queer" people. They hated "cis gay men." At the time, all the trans were FTM, and when you came out as trans, they lauded you with praise and support, and instantly became your best friend. I saw a number of girls go from "ally" to "genderqueer" to "FTM" in only a semester or two and it was just sad. You could tell it was an act, like they behaved and dressed how they thought boys did.

Other than that they were just very obnoxious people. Blue hair, loved Homestuck, called themselves queer, those types. I grew up in a big, diverse city and I always thought I'd met every kind of person there was, but I had never met anyone as obnoxious as these people. They were very nasty, cultish people. It was really clear that these were young people who were maybe bullied as kids, and now were relishing in the opportunity to bully others. They seriously lowered my opinion of the human race.

But I tried to ignore them. I made friends with other gay men (the gay men and the queer types were like two totally different clubs), but at least at first I still went to their meeting. I remember once, they were lecturing us about privilege or transwhatever, and my mind got flooded with questions. Questions like:

  • what is a gender?

  • what is a man? what is a woman?

  • how many genders are there? How do we know?

  • what exactly does it mean to identify with a gender?

  • is Switzerland a gender? Why not?

  • how am I supposed to know what gender I am?

I kept them to myself of course (I knew what they'd do to me if I asked). But it was at that moment I realized transgender people were full of shit. And to this day, I've never seen a satisfactory explanation for any of those questions.

What really peak transed me was this guy, let's call him Adrian. He and I bonded because he was also gay and also skeptical of their transgender ideas and nasty behavior. I got weird vibes about him and I heard rumors that he did something to another guy in the club (someone who later became my friend). Also everyone in the club hated him, and talked shit about him all the time. But I was very lonely and was going through a difficult home life. I was just happy someone was interested in me so I repressed my suspicions and hung around him and his boyfriend.

I don't want to go into too much detail but he ended up sexually assaulting me. It took me courage to stop talking to him, but something weird happened in between. Over the summer, he started identifying as trans. First genderqueer, then MTF. It came out of nowhere. We had conversations about how we weren't trans (as did his boyfriend and I, who is now also trans). But even stranger still everyone started to love him. People that used to hate his guts were suddenly his best friend. The pariah of the club became a sort of motherly figure. People existed like the Adrian they hated never existed. It was surreal.

At first he started going by a feminized version of his name (think Adrienne). But then he picked a name for himself that was so bizarre, I wrote in my diary at the time that it was like naming your dog Cervical Cancer. All that changed about him was his wardrobe and his propensity to wear makeup. He looked like a clown. And yet everyone was calling him this dumb name, making excuses for his shitty behavior, and all I saw was the same man. I was told "trans women are women," and "trans men are men," but I'd met them and I knew nothing could be further from the truth.

And it wasn't just me. I thought back to that friend of mine. He had fear in his eyes when he saw Adrian- I think he sexually assaulted him too. And there was another guy in the club- real twink, me, my friend and this new boy all were. And I saw him chatting him up, I knew what he planning. I knew what kind of man he was. No woman does what he did. And so I never called him "she."

Years later I discovered /r/tumblrinaction, which lead me to /r/gendercritical, which lead to me to The Man Who Would be Queen. I read that book in one night. Finally, transgender people made sense. And I've been a terf ever since.

Those of you who were once full on SJWs, what was your woke breaking point? by Butterlogs in LGBDropTheT

[–]odius 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

If they had answered my questions, I’d have accepted their answer and never dug deeper.

They never had any answers, believe me.

Straight dude here that loves all of you beautiful people: what percentage of Ts are actually Ts vs confused young LGBs that under current social circumstances feel the need to identify as Ts? by ImSuperCerial in LGBDropTheT

[–]odius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's no such thing as "true trans." Everyone who transitions has a reason.

edit: the men you met most certainly were straight men that got off on crossdressing.

Women complain they feel invalidated on Grindr by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]odius 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The women at 1 min 20 s aghast at how gay men talk to them sound exactly like you'd expect women who are trying to have sex with gay men would.

Martha P. Johnson by odius in LGBDropTheT

[–]odius[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow. That's just... I don't know what to say.

Martha P. Johnson by odius in LGBDropTheT

[–]odius[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Virginia Prince is someone I was thinking of too. I absolutely remember reading about him when I first looked up transgender history. He was instrumental in their movement. But I've never heard a modern TRA mention him.

Meanwhile, in the Seventh Circle of Queer Hell by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]odius 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like you give quite a few fucks.

"How dare he waste your time by rejecting you just because he's gay!" by ThrowMeAway2879 in LGBDropTheT

[–]odius 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly feel bad for transgender people nowadays. FTMs weren't claiming to literally be men 10 years ago (they also called themselves FTMs). If you base your identity on being something you're not and having everyone validate it, you will never be happy.

Btw, to any lurking "gay transmen:" if you don't go home with him, the date didn't go well.

Hulking former WWE wrestler "comes out as a woman." He's married & a father of course, and used to love to secretly wear his mom's clothes. YAWN. by BEB in GenderCritical

[–]odius 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How can anyone look at this guy and think, "Oh, trans women really are women?" How? Boggles my mind. He's a textbook autogynephile.