Somehow I only now noticed what the subreddit called r/LGB looks like on Reddit

lazy-summer-god · 2022-04-23T14:03:45+00:00

"Allies".

lazy-summer-god · 2022-04-22T21:27:51+00:00

The mod who permabanned me admitted that the original mod (who kept his presence to the minimum) haven't logged into the modmail for a year now.

So I guess the two remaining mods are having a new beginning now.

I mean, if username summons are bannable, why are they even a valid feature to begin with? I'm so confused.

lazy-summer-god · 2022-04-22T21:26:23+00:00

Unfortunately, you're not missing a joke. I'm afraid it's a problem we have to finally face -- bisexuals spread rhetorics harmful to homosexuals, in our own spaces. I don't know if there's more fake bi women who do this, but I for sure encountered a lot of bi guys on r/askgaybros who do it.

lazy-summer-god · 2022-04-22T17:53:52+00:00

I just got permabanned from r/askgaybros (not by reddit!) for some ridiculous reason, so I guess that's already happening.

lazy-summer-god · 2022-02-16T18:11:30+00:00

Straight men and their fantasies...

lazy-summer-god · 2021-08-14T13:38:51+00:00

This problem will continue to grow, unless we treat the problem of bisexuals invading gay spaces seriously.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-08-11T21:14:25+00:00

So to dye hair blue, you need to first dye them yellow?

Fuck, I didn't know that.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-08-11T21:11:59+00:00

you can't keep posting about it

Oh? Sounds a lot like a challenge.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-27T10:44:29+00:00

Wtf, I'm scared. These comments read like NPC programming.

"We support our Great Trans Overlords. They're right about everything. Love, peace and unity."

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-25T07:40:23+00:00

Bisexuals. The use of "pansexual" only supports TRA claims that sexual orientation can be about gender.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-16T12:45:13+00:00

Oh, look. We're in kindergarten again.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-16T12:06:51+00:00

Oh, I'm really sorry that some bi men don't know that they're bi, not gay, and they choose to behave like animals in my gay space. Please, all other bisexuals, use this as an opportunity to make yourselves a victim that needs comforting!

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-16T11:58:54+00:00

I just want to hear what you mean by that, because I'm tired of that "bi person would never, it's just pretenders" narrative and I refuse to believe it's what you're pursuing.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-15T06:38:49+00:00

He can't identify as homosexual, because he will be sending the wrong message that gay men can be somewhat attracted to females. That's redefinition of homosexuality and I'm surprised to see it suggested here, since it's the favorite TRA rhetoric.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-14T16:43:42+00:00

Pity. I don't intend to bend to majority just because I'm a minority. As homosexuals, we have lots of enemies and we certainly won't reach freedom by allowing these enemies to do whatever the fuck they want to our community.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-14T16:17:36+00:00

And that's exactly what I have in mind. Askgaybros is unmoderated, so no one should be banned from it, no matter who they are. Bi people need to understand for themselves the value of having their own spaces instead of invading others, which is an act of self-erasure, rooted in the idea that bisexuals are just straight and gay at the same time. And I did convince some bi men to leave AGB, in the spirit of peace and reasonable conversation.

The problem is, many don't want to leave, because they have nowhere else to go. Latching onto gay communities, their own are underdeveloped and empty. It's difficult to banish them to those now and kind of a shitty thing to do, but I do believe it should be done.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-14T14:12:01+00:00

aLL vIrGiNs ArE aSeXuaL!

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-14T12:04:08+00:00

I don't hate bisexuals, but what's the point of having gay space if bisexuals must be let into it? What's even the point of having words and meaning behind them, if we don't respect that, because some people feel not included?

It's exactly the same rhetoric trans men are using to enter our spaces despite being females. We can't call out some of them while allowing others to do whatever the fuck they want.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-14T07:49:03+00:00

Please, stop. I'm the opposite of squeamish, but you're somehow triggering me.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-14T07:46:26+00:00

I think it's time to remove that "super" from your flair, champ.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-14T07:44:16+00:00

I don’t know about you, but if a bisexual man understands biology, I have no problem with him being a guest in gay men’s spaces.

I still do mind that, until I hear one good reason why SPECIFICALLY GAY space (so not some cloudy "men attracted to other men space") should be inclusive of completely different sexual orientation. Considering that you're all eager to defend LGB spaces from other agents attempting a similar invasion, it's hypocritical of you to claim "it's okay" in case of bisexuals.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-13T11:24:35+00:00

I question the genuineness of using "bisexual" by many of the people described as behaving this way, as well.

So you believe they are really gay men who just happen to have female attraction as well?

That's a homophobic idea.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-13T11:18:38+00:00

Perhaps, but who even says I'm calling out all bisexuals? I've mentioned a very specific group of bisexuals that invades r/askgaybros and bisexuals in the comments to this post all go "hurr durr not all bisexuals!". You have – and this time I mean all of bisexuals, apparently – very similar mentality to Ts in department of making yourself the victims, even when we're discussing part of your community doing something shitty.

The post is about bi people who invade gay and lesbian spaces and you make it all about yourselves and supposed "oppression". If that's the case, please explain on what basis do you feel entitled to be let into our spaces.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T21:58:08+00:00

Personally, I think the subreddit should be for discussion of homosexuality and homosexual attraction, which bisexuals feel in addition to heterosexual attraction.

Wait a minute, I keep hearing that bisexuals are bisexuals, not just homosexuals and heterosexuals at the same time.

You don't get to scream "eRaSuRe!" when it suits your whims and then basically call for it yourselves, just because you want to be included in other letter's spaces.

When someone asks a question like, "Do gay men have sex with women," then obviously the question excludes bisexuals since it is asking about gay men

The subreddit's name is askGAYbros. There's no need to specify "do gay men do something..." when it's implied in the name of the subreddit. People answering to these questions should ALWAYS be gays, not bisexuals.

bisexual men can relate just as easily as a gay man

Yeah, they can relate so much that somehow their takes are always tainted and unrelatable for gay men and send so many wrong messages in the name of our community that sometimes bystanders don't know wtf is our point when we keep saying contradicting stuff.

Again, there are some differences where bisexuals can't relate, but they do feel homosexual attraction and can relate to that.

They don't feel homosexual attraction, because homosexuality is an exclusive sexual attraction to the same sex. Bisexuality is it's own thing. Stop.

I really don't like how bisexuals abuse their privilege. It's very in style of the Ts. Gays want to have a space for themselves? No way, that's biphobia, you can't exclude us! Someone calls a bi person "gay" – "oMg eRaSuRE!!!!"

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T20:38:59+00:00

Who says I'm assuming you are all the same?

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T20:02:09+00:00

So I should not call them bisexuals, even though they are bisexuals, because it offends you?

You really have the T's mentality of a constant victimhood, friend.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T19:55:50+00:00

For whom is it fluid, too, then?

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T19:23:59+00:00

Anyone who claims otherwise is obviously bisexual no matter what they classify themselves as.

Cool, you know that and I know that, too. But people who come to r/askgaybros to educate themselves don't necessairly know that, hence why they ask a question. And your bisexual fellows first say that they are gay ("because I would never actually date a woman, so it's easier for me to use that label") and then in "would you date a trans person?" threads they go full "yes!!!!! anyone who says no is transphobic!"

Stop playing the victimized part now, because I didn't make this post to hate on bisexuals, but to point out how harmful their presence in our spaces is. I'm not accusing all bisexuals of it, because I'm fully aware that those who are good people don't invade our spaces, only black sheeps do.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T19:15:09+00:00

You mistakenly assume that they really care about being included into this space. Nope, that's not the case at all. They want to be the ones in control of it, of any LGBT space, really. That's the only thing that matters to them.

So you would have to invite trans mods for it to be untouchable.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T19:09:19+00:00

Yeah, tautology is not the best way of explaining things, champ. By all means, remain passive-aggressive about it; your community's image can't really get worse than what it already is.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T07:34:46+00:00

You're eager to defend them invading our spaces, so explain your mindset.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T07:27:28+00:00

gay people would be unfairly maligned by the actions of the San Francisco gay men's choir.

And we absolutely are, lol.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T07:22:34+00:00

What do you mean? I've had bi men on AGB insisting that not only their sexuality is fluid, but mine, too, lol.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-12T07:16:28+00:00

Exactly. I still remember that bisexual guy who said that sexuality is fluid, I responded that I'm glad his sexuality is fluid, good for him, but mine isn't and then he started insisting that everyone's sexuality is fluid, mine to, that there's a theoretical female somewhere, that I could lose my mind for and some other homophobic stuff coming purely from tainted bisexual perspective.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-11T22:37:02+00:00

I have never seen a bi club

And whose fault is that, exactly? If you would actually make an effort, you would have your own spaces. Instead, you prefer to latch on gay and lesbian ones, so no one ever made any for you, because why would they?

You cry so often about bisexual erasure, yet you're the ones causing this erasure. You're not straight and homosexual at the same time; you're bisexual. Start acting like it.

I mean, thanks for your support, but for one bi person helping us, we have ten more who spread misinformation by pretending to be gay or shaming us for being "close-minded".

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-11T21:25:08+00:00

Sure, that could be an interesting exchange of perspectives.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-11T21:24:20+00:00

Why occupy gay and lesbian spaces, then?

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-11T20:05:00+00:00

No, we didn't. You feel entitled to invading our spaces and we can't do shit about it, because you outnumber us.

Fuck off.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-11T19:08:42+00:00

We're talking about specific subreddit. Your boyfriend can easily visit it without you.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-11T16:56:17+00:00

I mean, if specific space is meant to be for a very specific group of people, why invading it by others is supposed to be a good thing in your opinion?

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-11T12:02:42+00:00

Or maybe bi men should start a sub for themselves.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-07-11T08:00:09+00:00

Clearly not.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-06-10T19:38:06+00:00

There are some incredibly kinky children out there

This is basically a criminal confession. Someone fetch me an FBI agent.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-06-08T09:06:38+00:00

Nostalgy.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-06-03T21:54:30+00:00

^{[citation needed]}

lazy-summer-god · 2021-05-26T16:16:53+00:00

These fellas would turn heads in any gay bar

I kinda agree. They all look like these creepy police reconstructions of Jane/John Doe's faces.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-05-05T10:51:53+00:00

"Wtf, that's MY MONEY. PUT IT BACK. Besides, gays, lesbians and bisexuals had enough of help already!"

lazy-summer-god · 2021-05-05T06:33:56+00:00

Aww, don't worry about me. I can take it.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-05-05T00:38:58+00:00

Using thier own logic that would mean it is valid to identify as a child as part of the trans experience. I have never seen anyone argue that before.

Well... I'm afraid I have to show you this, then...

lazy-summer-god · 2021-05-02T08:26:48+00:00

You're free to call yourself whatever you want.

I'm free to beat you up if you call me a slur, though.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-05-02T08:23:38+00:00

No, that's a completely different kind of mentality that they have. Their entire narrative is built on being a constant victim, so their "omg, you're oppressing me by not including me in your dating pool; that's transphobic!" is just enforcement of this victimhood.

^{"-Phobia" in hate-related definitions refers to the idea that hate has supposedly only one source as an emotion: fear (of the unknown / of the other}^.)

lazy-summer-god · 2021-05-02T08:16:48+00:00

Well, that's certainly not the way to do it. By screaming it at any sign of disobedience to their agenda, they are watering down this problem down to level of a meme.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-29T08:56:03+00:00

we cannot separate our sexual orientation from our sex, they go hand in hand.

Oh, fully agreed. I just found that 'sex' is always the deciding factor of one's orientation. Some trans men pass as males to some less observant folk and the true "oops, attraction gone" moment is always taking off the underwear for them.

every time there's an article with the headline about a woman committing sexual assault, and then you read closer and find out it's a trans woman that's being referred to as she/her, and is being sent to a woman's prison, and this crime is being documented under female crime statistics, that is a problem, because it obscures the root of the issue - that it was an act of male violence

That's a very interesting point. But then it's a case of language manipulation and it goes more into the field of journalism ethics.

furthermore, distancing trans men from the term "woman" is damaging to trans men as well - trans men are still female and thus still subject to the same heightened threat of sexual assault as the rest of us other females, they still require female healthcare, they still need abortion and birth control access, they grew up as girls and thus share commons experiences with other women, etc.

Fully agreed but then, they made this choice and risk themselves (or did they? That's one of the true issues: trans people should be always well informed of the consequences of their actions and TRAs really don't like that idea for some reason) and it should be respected.

i understand the motivation to reach a compromise, but i don't see how it's possible without damaging implications for the female class. language is important for identifying our persecutions and passing laws protecting us from them. and because lesbians and female bisexuals belong to this female class, this is why "misgendering" is an issue for us.

I truly believe this problem is a result of their actions to erase sex and let the gender (which they know how to control) be responsible for things. That needs to change. Sex is clearly a very important factor and we need to defend this concept.

i see in the thread both you and cuteasduck briefly argue about brain-sex. brain-sex is still a hotly debated topic as there is conflicting research on it. until a scientific consensus is reached, believing or not believing that "someone can be born in the wrong sexed body" is simply a matter of personal opinion at this point.

Hence why I said "I believe" not "I know".

And I never told this person that they have to believe as well.

a lot of people in this server aren't going to like this, but the truth is, people with extreme lifelong chronic GD exist, and sometimes medical transition is the only option to alleviate symptoms for them. i do believe they're the minority of current trans-identified people, and most GD can be treated without medical transition, but there will always be exceptional cases. and until there's a cure for extreme GD, either through changing social norms and abolishing gender roles or through medical research (if there is indeed a bio-neurological basis for GD - the jury's still out as noted previously), there will always be a very small amount of medical transitioners. should society toss away all rights for the 99% of people who don't suffer from this condition? obviously not, but society will still need to find a way of incorporating them nonetheless. regardless, this onus should not fall onto LGB, how society should incorporate this very small percentage of extreme GD cases is not an LGB issue, that is strictly a T issue, and i think is in line with what LGBdroptheT stands for.

Again, very interesting point and I agree that it's not our issue in a greater scheme of things. But it is a little bit our issue, hear me out: our movement is gaining friction. More and more people in shitholes like Twitter or Facebook start to notice the truth being TQ+. The moment when we will have to prove that we're not hateful group is coming. If we fail to deliver, our cause will start moving backwards. Rational people whose voices matter won't support us if they see us using the same transphobic rhetorics as right-wing lunatics.

This is a game, just like everything is. If we play it out badly, they will win. It is what it is.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-29T08:34:52+00:00

You say we can AT LEAST accept them as men and women, but that itself has caused the current issues we are in?

No, it didn't and you know this well. They have been pusing progressive and homophobic propaganda onto everyone for years, claiming that gender is the deciding factor of sexual orientation. OP of that thread fell to the very romanticized idea of "giving a chance", "being open-minded" and "looking to broad his experiences". He was manipulated into uncomfortable position (and potentially dangerous) and now both him and that trans guy are suffering because of this = a perfect proof that this propaganda should never be allowed to reach young people's mind.

I won't argue with you that it didn't go too far – of course it did. But I can recognize where their right overleaps mine and calling someone their desired pronouns in the internet argument is realistically not that.

How do women sports and women's spaces remain exclusive for biological women, females, not men in wigs and skirts, if men in wigs and skirts are to be accepted as women? How exactly do you propose this kind of change to this world, where we are to accept all trans people as the gender they say they are, but also being able to reject and exclude them from spaces that are exclusively for cis men and women without ever being labeled as transphobic or anti-trans?

Well, stopping the current discourse in which they say that biological sex is basically worthless and gender is the way to go would be a great start. They are actively trying to erase sex: from all definitions, not just these about sexual orientations.

In the end, we did accept them, we did coddle them, we said they are completely valid, and we let them deny biology and we let them live in their delusion because '' they are harmless, I mean, what bad could happen '' and this is the result.

So we know better now and we have to be vigilant.

You are in this sub for that reason as well. And if you try to pull some '' it's just a loud minority and actual trans people don't agree with current trans ideology '' you are out of your damn mind.

Please, refrain from putting your own words into my mouth, especially when you're putting them between semi-quotation marks to look like you're quoting me. I never said that it's just a loud minority. I've said that trans people are 0.3% of entire population and they could never cause the mess that internet is right now just by themselves. There's a huge army of TRAs who play the game of policing others for power trips it provides.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T22:37:08+00:00

I'm the one who's accepted 'the fake "woke" narrative'?

Absolutely. They're the ones lying that Super Straight was started by 4chan trolls and it's anti-trans movement. It's not.

And stop calling everyone "champ" - it's super patronising and brings to mind these fake-men who insist on calling (real) men "dude" and "bro" all the time, as if that's going to prove they're really men!

Your way of reacting to my words is definitely not my problem, champ. Deal with it yourself, lol.

I'm sick of being nice to these people, it's what's got us into this mess!

And you will never be accepted for it by any rational person.

Why are you on this forum - from all your replies it seems you'd be much happier on Reddit with all the other TRA apologists.

It's interesting how you associate "being on this forum" with "having to agree with everything that is said here". I can't really enjoy an echo chamber, but you're free to do whatever you want.

As for your question, I'm here because I support the idea of LGBdropptheT, not whatever transphobic bullshit you're trying to change it into.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T22:17:47+00:00

Well, enjoy living in your bucket, champ.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T22:16:14+00:00

NO "trans men" pass as males!

That's literally a matter of opinion, champ.

You call yourself "super gay" but you don't have the balls to confront these delusional women!

Being super gay has nothing to do with being anti-trans, champ. It means I'm not sexually attracted to them.

It's interesting how you accepted the fake "woke" narrative spread by twitter TRAs.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T21:57:04+00:00

Just because I want women's voices to be heard, it's "feminism" and "feminism is bad uwu". Interesting take.

That's not what I was even referring to...

You've made it sound like I called "bags of meat" women specifically. Just shows how you like to pull things out of context. And dirty tactics like that show that you have no substance in your views, just hate.

That's not realistically possible.

That's a bold claim. Prove it, please. I can't wait to see your mind penetrating machine.

For someone who knows humans are "mere bags of meat", you sound religious. Stop asking people to call a woman a man or a man a woman because you believe that "a woman can be born in a man's body" and "a man can be born in a woman's body". You're shoving your religious nonsense down other people's throat.

... Uhhh... yeah, that certainly serves as proof that you shouldn't make assumptions about people. You're pretty bad at it.

Claiming that a woman can be born in a "man's body" and a man can be born in a "woman's body", or that as long as a woman or a man "passes" as a man or a woman respectively, then they should be treated as a man or a woman, is not realistic, "champ".

It absolutely is, given they have a good reason (and they do), champ.

So "reality doesn't care about feelings" is on my side, not yours, and doesn't go both ways. Your "stance" relies on mere feelings. Which facts don't care about.

I assure you that reality is complicated enough to not be on side of either of us. According to Plato, we can only try to reach the truth, but it will never be given to us.

The trans right activists did not pop out of nowhere. They took the beliefs of the 0.3% of the population and have been vocal about them.

Well, that's just a blatant lie. TRAs don't give a shit about trans issues or their views. They use them as fuel for their own political gains. That's why they're busy "solving" non-existing problems like acceptance for tree pronounces.

You have not grown up mentally.

Uh oh, argumentum ad personam, so edgy.

I'm tired of this mindless discussion. How about you proceed to laughing at trans people, while I tend to more interesting things.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T21:44:38+00:00

Oh, how brave, gossiping behind my back without summoning my username...

I have no interest in being a part of your echo chamber where "trans = bad" and if you disagree with that black and white view of world, your comment will get 50 'fun' points. I really don't care. I'm afraid you're gonna have to deal with it, my frustrated friend.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T20:47:18+00:00

"Gender" has been used to oppress women and gay people throughout human history. It is in fact a human construct, which shouldn't have existed in the first place. The only reason it came to exist unfortunately is misogyny and homophobia. Men who were attracted to men were seen as a "third gender", neither man nor woman, or somewhere in between, in multiple cultures (they might still be viewed that way in present cultures). Women were seen as inferior beings who were told to play with dolls, wear dresses, stay submissive, etc, and if they refused they would be seen as "not real women", or "not women".

Great, so that's history. Let's make sure to never repeat that.

You're separating man and woman from their sex-based definitions, and reducing them to behaviour, clothes, artificial appearances, and feelings.

Let's begin with the fact, that from my point of view, there is nothing to reduce. I see you tend to glorify these concepts, but to me, sex and sexual orientations are very base and simple – that's why they can't be messed with.

Gender is more complicated and I don't disagree that it can exist free from bonds to sex. Every aspect can be modified.

Realistically speaking, that 0.3% of the population is a bunch of bags of meat controlling a skeleton covered in flesh as well.

And that's exactly what they are!

But you care about one group of bags of meat more than you do about other groups of bags of meat.

Not at all. Trans people want to pass as their desired gender. Lesbians want to be free to date whoever they want, without being told to accept dicks. I recognize both of these claims and fully respect them. Once again, it's not a competition. Please, stop with this "daddy loves me the best".

Either care about the voices of us women (or as you call, bags of meat) that tell you not to reduce womanhood and manhood to artificial appearances, clothes, etc. Or get out of here with your "bag of meat" nonsense.

Oh please, don't pull a hurt feminist card on me now, like some woke leftie "literally shaking" that cries on Twitter. You're just as much a bag of meat as I am.

And no, I won't choose you over trans people, just because you're forcing me to. You and them exist in the same world, so grow up and coexist.

It is an "assholish" move to ask people to lie to themselves and others.

Maybe that's the source of your problem, champ. I don't believe they're lying at all. I think it is possible for someone to be born in body of wrong sex.

So expect backlash when you're asking for such a thing.

I don't care about your backlash. "Reality doesn't care about your feelings" works both ways, champ.

You want to shame and censor people for "misgendering" someone.

Prove me ever wanting that.

But then claim censoring is not the way to go about this. So much contradiction in one sentence. I wonder how you get through the day like this.

There's no contradcition, just you having trouble with reading comprehension and filling blanks with your bold assumptions.

Ah, the hero complex. Please don't bother securing our future, you're not a good role model.

Please, stop playing the gate keeper role. You're nobody, just like I am nobody. But I don't happen to randomly dismiss groups of people, so I will always have better chances to be heard than you, labeled as hateful person.

You're asking people to deny the reality that sex can not change [...] no matter how much effort someone puts into trying to look like one sex, they will never be that sex.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that, champ, and you know it. I expected better, but I see that bad apples are on both sides of spectrum, huh?

there is no such thing as "gender identity"

Of course there is such a thing, it's an abstract concept to begin with, for it to exist I need nothing but my imagination.

The acceptance of LGB has declined, because of the T.

No. The acceptance of LGB declined because of the trans rights activists. You're bold to assume 0.3% of population could be this active on the internet.

If you want to lynch entire minority for something "cis" straights did, I can only feel sorry for your limited mind.

How about you grow up and accept reality for what it is.

I always do, champ... It's my curse.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T19:49:31+00:00

Womanhood and manhood are not rights one can be given or taken from. One is either a man or a woman. No amount of compromise, surgery, crossdressing, and hormones will change that.

In the current academic discourse, sex is separated from gender. Sex is the impossible to change base, while gender can be adjusted. Please, don't tell me that "X is X", as we're not discussing solid rock, but abstract concepts established by humans, which exist only thanks to us. They are whatever we make them to be and the true problem is considering whether we should change something or not.

By calling a man a woman, or a woman a man, you reduce womanhood and manhood to feelings, clothes, and artificial appearances gained from surgery. Excuse you, but a woman is not a dress, wig, etc. It's not a legal document. It's not me feeling today I'm a woman. Stop with this sexism.

No. Realistically saying, you're romanticizing the idea of humanity. In reality, we're just bags of meat controlling a skeleton covered in flesh, which can die by slipping on something on a random trip to toilet.

We're not talking about some incredibly powerful foreign force that wants to redefine what you understand as your female or male view of the world. We're talking about 0.3% of population who feel like they were born in body of wrong sex and want to live a difficult life of pretending that isn't the case.

And that's how we got to this mess.

It is what it is, then. No one promised it will be easy. We have to stay vigilant to make sure it doesn't go further.

You demand people call a man a woman, and a woman a man.

I don't demand anything. I merely ask, as I think it's a decent thing to do, in realistic situation when someone actually pass as the other sex. If some attention starved teenage girl says on her bio on Twitter that she's a boy now, but makes no effort to look like one and she cries how the world is transphobic to her, that's delusional and childish. But if someone makes an effort and looks like a woman, to get out of your way and call them a "man" just because you happen to know their biolgocial sex is an asshole move.

"Miss, ma'am, I accept you are a woman, but you can't use women's bathrooms, sports and changing rooms"? That's all you can tell them, and they will simply call you a "transphobe" over it and demand to be treated as women, the same way you accept them as women. You respect the T more than you do women and gay people though, as tras do, so color me surprised.

That's the source of error in your view. This is not a competition. Everyone deserves the same amount of respect. There is no choosing sides. We're all stuck living in this mess and we can either have endless wars or solve our problems with discussion.

But silencing people with censorship (something they do) is no way to acheive this, just like misgendering them (something you do) is not.

If you really don't want to ask people to bend to their toxic ideas, then stop asking people to call a man a woman, and a woman a man. That would be a good start.

Sorry, not gonna happen. I want to secure the future of LGB movement and it won't be possible if it will be deemed as hateful but rational people who are currently neutral in this discussion. Seeing your rhetoric, I can't objectively deny the reality that you're not being hateful. You're acting just like these woke TRAs: you want something to be your way OR ELSE. Well, you both need to understand that reality doesn't work like that.

You're not conscious enough apparently.

I am. Stop seeing the world as black and white, champ.

You are still too woke that your brain fell out. Calling a man a man, and a woman a woman is not "transphobia".

It is and better consider if you want to have a LGB community or not, because the majority will never support us if you act like this. Grow up.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T18:26:05+00:00

Just because many females "pass as males", doesn't make them male, and just because many males "pass as females", doesn't make them female. It's sexist of you to define male and female by outward appearance, e.g. clothes, make up and surgery.

I never said that passing as female/male should mean being a female/male. That would be crazy.

I merely say that we can do as much as to accept them as women and men in everyday life.

The females will demand gay men date them because they are "he"s, the males will demand lesbians suck their "feminine girly dicks" because they are "she"s too.

That's why we need to fight for keeping the definitions of sexual orientations strictly about sex, not gender.

Stop being a transphobe and include us in the spaces of the opposite sex too!".

And that's the other problem we need to solve – so it's okay to have spaces based on biological sex. And also sports. That shit needs to get done.

I know it would be easier for us to just not accept them as men and women, but I personally don't want that easy solution. Trans people do their best to fit in society and live their lives as comfortably as possible. I can respect that. I won't let them take away my rights over it, but I don't want to take their rights either. Compromise is the key.

And sure, some are attention seeking autists or opportunists = fuck them. But I can't look at Blaire White who has been nothing but supportive to LGB and call her a man. She's done nothing to me and it would perhaps hurt her. Why?

I will never ask anyone to bend to their toxic ideas; I just ask to call them men and women, accordingly – and no, I'm not asking you to humor the "tree" insane lunatics or any other nonsense. Doing this much is usually enough to not be seen as a transphobe in the eyes of rational people and it should keep you safe from a ban.

People such as yourself going along with their preferred pronouns are why we are at this stage. You're no different than those TRAs you despise for limiting your rights and freedoms. You play by their rules. You play in their game. Wake up.

I'm willingly taking fire from both sides over my current position, trust me, I'm pretty conscious. Woke crowds are insanely powerful at spilling bullshit right now, but I'm tired of pretending that I don't see actual transphobia and I don't want to be associated with that. I want LGB movement, not anti-trans one.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T09:20:57+00:00

I'm one of them. It doesn't cost me anything to call a trans man "he", especially since many trans men do pass as males. I don't care about bashing transgender ideology, I just want my rights and freedoms to not be limited by them.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T09:11:54+00:00

Thanks. The only thing I ever remember in this link is the word "archive" and Google doesn't really help with finding this site just thanks to that word. I'll just save your comment now.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-28T00:37:11+00:00

Screenshot, in case of removal.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-26T11:27:26+00:00

https://i.imgur.com/cxre85C.png

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-25T08:51:47+00:00

The only other "source" he ever quoted was pinknews, so that creates an image of who this person really is...

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-24T08:48:52+00:00

I've sent r/LGBT mods a message, to shame them for their decision to ban a gay man* who dared to voice his opinion on demisexuality being a sexual orientation. Once my arguments became unbearable, they've muted me and asked their pedo friends in admin team to get me a warning.

*https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/comments/mszswp/just_got_permanently_banned_from_rlgbt_for_having/

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-19T02:46:25+00:00

Lost a lot of her friends.

No, she lost a bunch of expendable backstabbers.

Anyway, do these male "lesbians" have some sort of humiliation fetish? Do they get off on shaming, guilt-tripping, and forcing women into sex/relationships with them? Because I imagine a relationship with someone who's not attracted to you - & may even be repulsed by you - would be a mutually unsatisfactory & toxic relationship.

No, they have a yuri fetish. They want to be cute anime girls who "scissor" other girls.

That's what hentai does to people, it's a degenerate farm.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-18T08:10:58+00:00

Yup, check out the comment from this thread found by an AGB user.

Cute guys with soft thick curls are my favorite always! My little pea brain is melting and does not know whether I want to be you or be with you or have that hair or play with that hair

Its author was supposidly a 40-50 yo "balding lesbian".

Not to mention that I've made a comment warning that kid and it got shadow removed for few hours (until they realized it was a bait for pedo mods from AGB, to check if they would remove it.) I have a witness that it was removed, though.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-17T17:26:38+00:00

So yeah my dude I get the whole "poor innocent trans people thing" but come the fuck on ? You can't expect people to play nice when you're being a dickhole to them every day of the week.

That's precisely my point. Are you just a dickhole to them? To the said trans women? Or to blue haired straight teenage girls TRAs?

Bashing trans people for whatever TRA retards are spewing is exactly what I meant as "dumb". It only helps trans communities to enforce the feeling like there are so many people hating them for no reason.

Plus, the whole "it's only on the internet" is A) bullshit because let's be real we spend way too much time on our phones/computers so it does have an impact

Fully agreed, I always find that argument retarded, just like the "it's just a small number of far-right trolls" that are somehow able to shut down entire subreddits.

they're voting laws, and for instance destroying women's sport/closing our shelters, so I think I'll bring my sympathy elsewhere (for pandas for instance) , unless they do something about their collective shitty behavior. So don't start blaming us for the 4 frustrated gals and dudes out there who once said "TW are not women", goody two shoes.

With that, I also fully agree. I actually agree with vast majority of views people have on this subreddit, just that need for frustration relief by bashing often innocent trans community annoys me, especially when it's harmful to our own cause.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-17T10:28:14+00:00

That's litteraly why it's a problem, because they have huge media support when they're 00000,0003% of the population. Why the fuck is that ?

Well, that's a complex issue. The thing is, they do and don't actually have that support at the same time. You see, it's not trans people who get to decide what to do with this support, nor it's for them to use it so they can speak their voice. No, this is just for TRAs to use.

TRAs are effectively using trans people as fuel for their political engine. They don't really care when someone is transphobic, because they don't care about trans people. But someone daring to spill transphobia is a clear sign that someone dares to mess with them. And that's a real problem for them and their egos.

And how it is LGB people fault, and how are we "dumb" to point out and make fun of their asses when they're out there calling us transphobe at every turn because we're not that much into them. Oh and let's not forget the "genitals fetish" we apparently have that they love to point out, and learn children to call us that.

This entire point is dumb, because like you said, trans people are a very tiny minority. Because of that, most of us haven't even met any trans person in real life. It would be physically impossible for them to be so active on the internet – and they're not that active. It's often just straight, "cis", white, privileged {yada yada} TRAs who get power trips from pushing ridiculous ideas on our behalf. Can you imagine the boner you get (well, you're a female, so you don't, but whatever...) when you succeed at forcing people to respect that some dude has a "tree" pronounce and if you don't respect that, you will lose your job because woke crowd will be screaming at your boss in social media?

So yeah I get your point but blaming us for not "being smart enough" is pushing it because you can sweet-talk them all the way to Mars if you want to, the day you try to point out one little negative aspect of their behavior they'll eat you alive.

It's not about sweet-talking anyone. And don't expect me to believe that you're stupid, I know this community is better than that. You expect the platforms to ignore your blunt transphobia, calling trans people "t-slur", laughing at their suicide statistics, etc. while reacting to homophobia. That's not how it works, champ. Both communities deserve protection. If you choose to say degenerate things about them, you will get banned.

And you can always oppose to the TRAs without bashing innocent trans people.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-16T22:06:03+00:00

This is hilarious, because every time normies see these crazy TRAs attempting to defend their "you have to be attracted to trans men, they're real men!" rhetoric they're jumping on our hype train. Seriously, I see more and more regular who used to not care responding to them with anger.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-14T00:13:30+00:00

You're right, this is an incredibly dangerous concept in general. "Hate speech" is the only known mechanism that has enough of social support to successfully limit freedom of speech.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-14T00:10:11+00:00

Well, I've been there, too, and I did see quite controversial transphobic posts and comments that weren't removed. The problem with r/SuperStraight was that it didn't focus on celebrating this orientation, but it often did try to bash on trans people. You're right that it was not a majority at all, but I have to objectively say that this vocal minority of trans obsessed users wasn't always punished. It was a fast growing community and adding new mods rapidly meant creating a risk of being infiltrated by bad faith actors; in that environment, mods were uncapable of policing all comments, so they were capable of removing only the content reported by regular users.

The problem with all the new subreddits of LGB is that they'll always have the "ban evasion" card to use against them. That's a mistake on our part, but it would be delusional to expect some incredible level of organisation, considering it was a spontaneous movement. It's okay, though, because Reddit is a lost cause anyway.

I appeal that we don't repeat the same mistakes in the future. We are right in our postulates, so I don't see why questionable actions would be needed, especially when they're just harmful to our cause.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-14T00:00:34+00:00

Not saying that they aren't biased, because they certainly are, but even if they weren't, they would have to be more reactive towards "trans people in danger from this hateful group!!!!" because trans communities have a huge media support.

No one in the media will care about some meta subreddits, so they get a free pass.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T23:57:39+00:00

That's the magic of "hate speech". You can call all sorts of things with that label if you try hard enough.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T20:09:43+00:00

Well, like I said, no one wants to be a platform for "hate speech". It's bad press.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T18:12:45+00:00

Whether it’s “necessary” seems to be beside the point.

But the entire point of this discussion is "why can't we have our own community?". That's the answer.

What used to be is not true anymore. People who used to identify as that might not be around anymore. It doesn't cost much to show this level of respect and call them "trans" instead of something they consider a slur.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T16:26:58+00:00

I don’t see this as bad or generalizing all trans people. This is calling out the rapey creepy activist wing that is by and large crossdressing people who thoughtlessly encourage surgical self-harm and are preoccupied with eliminating other people’s right to say no.

First part was valid and important to state. Calling them "self-mutilating crossdressers" was not necessary.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T16:15:17+00:00

Reddit is obviously hostile towards us, Saiddit and all other reddit wannabes lack perspective, I would say Discord.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T14:58:59+00:00

Possibly, yeah. But ultimately, this is not about being banned from some silly website that Reddit is. If we really want to have a functioning LGB movement, it can't be fueled by hate and "this is our current enemy" rhetoric. Hate is a fuel only for self-serving echo chambers.

I strongly believe that not starting trans topics is the key. If TRA come up with ideas of making children transition, call it out but not in LGB spaces. If TRA engage in discussion with us, {probably} presenting some ridiculous concepts, our answer should be "no, that's crazy, because X" and that's it, moving on, back to our topics and issues.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T14:52:06+00:00

There is a lot of reasonable conversation that can be and must be had about whether gender and sex dysphoria are or should be considered a mental disorder

Certainly. But what I'm referring to was not a reasonable discussion. It was just name calling or memes. Someone saying how TRA's policing people's sexualities is ridiculous and then adding "I'm not going to fuck someone I don't want just because a group of self-mutilation crossdressers expects this".

Or someone saying "Trans issue will solve itself" and then slapping a meme about 40% of trans people committing sucidie.

I think the feelings are real and distressing. I think the preoccupation with social roles and aesthetics is societally driven. But that having a compulsion to surgically alter your healthy functioning body parts and render them non-functioning is extreme and disordered thinking, and can never be considered morally neutral IMO. By that, I mean if a child has two pathways in front of them that could lead to happiness and one of them requires a lifetime of medicalization and surgery and affirming irreality and the other path is acceptance of their healthy body as it is, then there is no way I think those pathways should be considered equally viable. Many trans people are fully able to recognize this too (e.g, Blaire White, Buck Angel, and Scott Newgent), and there is nothing meaningfully transphobic about that or about allowing those conversations or comments. Nor am I going to get worked up about comments about “mutilation” unless there is something else more to it that seeks to insult people’s humanity. For example, I absolutely think the groomers encouraging body dissociation and gleefully encouraging butch lesbians to get double mastectomies as if they’re like hair dye or a fashion choice, are recklessly encouraging body mutilation and surgical self harm. This needs to be called out and I’m not very impressed by those who are more concerned about policing the language used to discuss serious issues than the underlying issues themselves.

Ultimately, I don’t think “trans people” are an identifiable group of people with a set definition. It’s an ideological concept with pretty much all trans-identifying people not even considering several other trans-identifying people truly “trans.” Are they all transphobic too? I do think “transsexual” is a thing but I think transsexual is a state/result of specific actions taken or the process of those actions, independent of ideology about the meaning of those actions or how their actions should be treated under law.

You don't have to preach to me about any of this, as I fully agree. I think what trans people need for their suicide rates to drop, is self-acceptance – so something all of us in LGB community needed to grow emotionally. Instead, they're being spoon-fed with questionable and potentially risky, mostly permanent solutions and the tendency to push this onto youth is scary and cult-like delusional.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T13:49:39+00:00

What are you considering actual transphobic comments that get upvoted

"Trans people mutilate their bodies", "trans people are mentally ill", "trans people are disgusting" (mostly including a pic comparing an "ugly" trans person to a gorgeous biological male/female), generalizing trans people as bad and lots, LOTS others, that I can't remember from the top of my head.

In general, our movements have a difficult time with criticizing only the irrational views and toxic rhetoric that TRA's have, without being hateful towards all trans people. Remember that trans people make 0.3% of entire population, they physically couldn't be policing us the way TRA do. TRA =/= trans people. Some trans people can be the crazy activists we're talking about, but not all. Let's not target our potential allies who respect our boundaries just to spite few potential enemies, let's address the silly things that are said about us.

and why should that mean that no gay subreddit should be allowed to exist

In my opinion, that's no reason to shut down a subreddit. I think adults should grow up enough to have a mature discussion and skin thick enough to carry the burden of truth, wherever it lies. But realistically, no serious company will agree to be a platform for a hateful movement. Reddit is clearly leaning to the left, so they will obviously and actively seek for an excuse to ban a controversial community like ours.

I tried defending both of the subreddits I've mentioned after they were banned on Reddit, but AHS clowns had screenshots of actual transphobia with lots of upvotes from other users. Some of the upvotes were obviously coming from the AHS brigade, but the comments were send by actual users, not brigadiers. They were simply dumb enough to post this. And I refuse to go into delusion territory and defend something against the clear evidence.

how trans subreddits are allowed to exist despite brimming with homophobia, misogyny, racism, and rape culture

Just the way r/askgaybros and r/tumblrinaction are able to survive despite occasionally being some of these things. Trans subreddits have the occassional homophobia, misogyny or racism on their subreddits, but it's occassional, vast majority of posts is just... Jesus, I don't know, whatever the fuck they're discussing. Same goes for askgaybros. Trans posts are consitent as of lately, but the vast majority of focus is still "my straight friend crush" and "am I gay if I gave a blowjob?". They obviously hesitate to ban this kind of community, because banning a specific users making these posts is more reasonable than shutting down everything, where majority wasn't against their narrative.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T07:35:08+00:00

Unfortunately, our "sensible" lesbian simply replied "I understand, thanks"

That's what I would say after getting that answer, too. I would say anything to get out of this conversation...

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-13T07:28:32+00:00

We can't have "our own fucking space", because many of us is just plain dumb.

It was the same on r/LGBdroptheT and r/SuperStraight. Too many of us focuses on bashing the trans community instead of focusing on having a separate community. I fully agree that Reddit is biased and has a TRA cock in their mouth, but on every subreddit of ours there are an actual transphobic comments that are upvoted by many. You can't really defend that.

Either accept that you can't have a community on Reddit due to your views or don't discuss trans people at all, just act like they don't exist. Personally, I hate censorship and taboo, so I would be suggesting the first option, but r/askgaybros and r/Tumblrinaction are a pretty good examples of communities not focused around trans people, who widely reject TRA rhetorics and yet continue to exist. For now at least.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-11T10:24:06+00:00

If you find the trans topic so crucial, apparently it's a dealbreaker for your relationship.

In your post, you make it sound like you haven't even met this trans brother of your girlfriend. Are you sure they're this kind of a person, you know, who polices other peoples' sexualities and does unfair things to LGB communities? It's easy to forget that there are lots of reasonable trans people and lots of degenerate "cis" straight trans rights activists who speak for trans people without consulting them about anything.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-11T10:15:57+00:00

what am i doing?

Yeah, bro, that's my question. I would call it ranting to yourself out loud with your fingers, but hey, you're the one stuck in your mind, so you should know better.

Please, don't make me read that all over again, because first time I did, it felt like I was having a stroke. Lesbians are the most bullied and harassed community out of the entire LGB and you're not doing a very good job at convincing me they're a main villain of this show.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-11T08:40:43+00:00

Every single gay and lesbian person i know in real life had serious, almost suicidal levels of dysphoria when we were young and it made our bodies crawl and we all went with our lives until we were 14 understanding "gay man = women inside a male body"

You need to meet me in real life, then. Maybe you will stop doing... whatever this is.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-10T08:41:42+00:00

Reading this made me understand how a person with schizophrenia feels like.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-10T08:35:23+00:00

Yes, stop demonizing, champ.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-10T08:26:40+00:00

It's their decision to have that surgery, not yours. How about we stop commenting on other people's decisions and focus on our actual goal – of having our own, separate movement – not bullying random trans people?

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-08T23:26:45+00:00

That OP is a pretty obvious troll, but the post he made on another subreddit shows a lot of sane trans gay men, I think it's worth a read, especially after reading the answers from the trans sub.

lazy-summer-god · 2021-04-08T13:06:28+00:00

if i remember rightly it was started by some ‘people’ on 4chan who originally used the SS nazi design on the flag

No, you're not remembering it rightly.

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