Investigative Journalism into the funding behind TRAs

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-14T21:20:00+00:00

It's not a question of complicit because of ignorance. But there's plenty of men who see the issues in front of them and elect to ignore it, or assume it is a female-specific behaviour because females are some sort of incomprehensible Other, while benefitting from that behaviour.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-14T21:16:45+00:00

Women are the sex that has to put more effort into reproduction, so no

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-14T21:15:34+00:00

This article does some number crunching if you scroll down to death rate. https://medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b Beyond that, female-specific violence is reproductive violence. Women aren't sold into sex slavery, reproductively coerced, or banned from participation because they're feminine; these things are done because they're biological women. Trans women are men adopting femininity. Femininity isn't what causes a girlchild to die in a period hut; systemic discrimination against female biology is. A baby born as female cannot identify out of the biology that causes her family to drown her in milk, in the case of femicide.

Dworkin was okay with transsexuals as gender nonconforming people, because they weren't trying to co-opt the identity of woman at the time. Her reliance on female biology as a center to her arguments is difficult to misunderstand.

From what I've seen there's a vocal community of intersex people who acknowledge that they are, in essence, a mutation, and don't want their particular physical characteristics to be used to erode the idea of sex-based protections.

Ultimately, we believe that gender is bs and people's behaviour should not be expected to be tied to their genitals. But the issue with "just study regular women" is that there is a vocal minority of transwomen that make it absurdly difficult to create spaces or research for biologically female persons. They had the PCOS subreddit shut down, ffs.

A further issue is that transwomen have male crime rates, and for some absurd reason that data is being lumped in with female data. I would argue that based on the numbers, violence committed by transwomen is worse than violence committed to transwomen.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T04:10:30+00:00

is there a way to back it up?

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T04:07:37+00:00

r/thisneverhappens as well. both of these should probably be backed up before reddit hits them

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T03:15:29+00:00

Aren't trans women who look like regular women also subject to violence and discrimination?

Female-specific violence and discrimination happens to women at a way larger scale than it does to men who identify as women. I do not have the source currently as GC was nuked, but more women are killed monthly in the US by abusive relationships than TIMs have been ever. Further, there is a pattern of indoctrination that occurs from birth, and includes various forms of demoralization, as well as sex specific abuses such as reproductive coersion and marital rape. As the majority of transwomen were originally able-bodied middle-class white men, they do not experience the same harassment, and when they do, they process it differently from the average woman (possibly due to high rates of cluster-B comorbidity).

In essence, we focus on the experience amd ramifications of being Designated Childbearer at birth. You cannot identify into or out of biological sex.

Regardless, as we consider them men, harassment that they recieve from men for not looking like a man is an issue for them. While we support gender non-conforming men, we will not center them in our feminism because women need a place to discuss issues that effect women only, and this is that place. When we let men in they just take over, as seen in liberal feminism.

asperger's

I'm also on the spectrum so I am willing to field a few questions, but I am not going to be your repository to find out everything you ever wanted to know about radical feminism. I do not have that kind of time, and am actively aware of the concessions toward "normality" forced onto me by virtue of being a woman. I suggest reading some dworkin, or lurking on tumblr radical feminist communities. I'm always glad to have more newcomers, but unfortunately I can't be your only source of information.

queer theory being a load of noise

Yes, that's our problem with it too. It's the idea that you can identify as anything you like, as a spinoff of critical theory. We think LGB exist, and everything else is subjective human experience impacted by culture. Intersex people are used to defend the idea that sex is fluid etc etc, which is an insult to both intersex people and reproductive dimorphism in species.

radfems

Radical feminists. TERF stands for trans-exclusive radical feminist.

seperate bathrooms

No, we're not about abolishing sex. We acknowledge sex is a thing, and sex-specific issues are a thing. However, since sex has the reproductive meaning, I use "gender" and "sex" interchangeably a lot. This is confusing for anyone not aware of both meanings of the word, my apologies. However, Gender As a Social Construct is the set of behaviours expected from you based on your sex, as well as the experiences you get due to it. That is what we want to abolish.

make it worse

Well, it does. It distracts from women's issues and marginalizes women's voices and experiences in favour of TIMs. Blurring the definition of who is and who isn't abused based on concrete characteristics is dangerous for those who are. JKR did a good bit on this. https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

everything else

No worries. I'm just trying to lay the groundwork for our community to shuffle into here. I wish I could devote my days to debating, but I can't.

EDIT: sorry if I have a bit of a word salad going on at the moment, this is stressful.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T02:37:12+00:00

I'm not going to give you a lecture on the use of statistics in data analysis, although any stats 101 book will have that information. You can google what an outlier is. I'm sure there's a khan academy video describing this.

EDIT: generally it's the idea that a point of data that is radically different from the trend seen in the rest of the data is going to shift the results in a way that does not fairly represent the mean and variance of the data. As such, if this point is very rare in the sample, it is safe to disregard it. In order to be statistically significant scientifically, enough points have to be different in order to show directionality in the data, to prove that this is a trend.

In the case of intersex people, the population size suggests they are not a new form of human reproduction (sex), but people who have a rare genetic disorder.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T02:33:26+00:00

Yeah don't worry about being a dude, it's all about solidarity rn. There's plenty of guys interacting. welcome

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T02:29:47+00:00

Radical feminist is right there in the name, so ty but nty. For women, by women, with women.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T02:26:38+00:00

Porn. It's porn. The problem is porn.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T01:51:30+00:00

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T01:50:27+00:00

You have to admit that Marx provided a good amount of vocabulary used to describe political ideologies today, regardless of the value of the overarching theory.

We use the former.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T01:48:09+00:00

can you be certain

The Men's Rights subreddit had a poll about "at what age did you realize women don't deserve rights" yesterday, and dehumanizing women has historically been and still is a keystone ideology for patriarchial belief structures, so yes.

anyone who responds

You must understand that they do not get off on responses. They get off on validation for their posts on external male communities, and the general spirit of demotivating ebil feminazis. It's not about us at all, and as such our behaviour does not change theirs.

disproportionate

Yes, but these men are drawn to us like flies to honey. That's the point. We don't hate men, since men like r/gendercriticalguys exist and are cool. But normal men don't seek out women to harass, these guys do. It's just part of the Rad Fem Experience.

D&C

Yeah I know. But women's freedom to discuss women's issues is essential. We fought long and hard to be viewed as people, and are not going to give that up. We will be content when women have, at the very least, equal say and equal power worldwide.

Have you seen the misogyny on the internet? The list of subs they didn't ban? They are influental, and outnumber us by the thousands.

Gender dynamics is, I would say, a far more critical issue in the long term for the survival of our species than the politics of the US, although the collapse of the latter would negatively impact the former. Personally I'd say it's too late, but my other political takes are usually reserved for non-feminist accounts due to risk of doxxing.

Freedom of communication

As I said elsewhere, I am all for opening the sub for general questions once our numbers are back to normal. But right now, there's maybe 1 radical feminist capable of answering questions for every 1000 questions.

I am not your enemy

I'd go to say that any man who does not call out the influence of those men is complicit, as he still benefits from the system.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T01:06:14+00:00

Any violence and discrimination they recieve we conceptualize as discrimination against gender non-conformity, not against women. It's done by other men. It's a men problem, not a women problem.

Further, let me quickly infodump common newbie questions for ya.

How do they drown out women? TIMs (trans-identified men) are socialized as men from childhood, resulting in a specific set of aggressive male behaviours in the % of them that entered trans through sissy porn (as contrasted to the % who were gay or gender nonconforming men and bullied into it). They are a very vocal part of cancel culture and tend to be overrepresented in internet spaces. There's a bit to be said about autism and the "nazi to trans pipeline", but that's the gist of it.
Are they women? TRAs (trans rights activists) think being a woman is defined by comforming to a restricted set of gendered behaviours, and if you exhibit those behaviours you are part of that group (this is our concern with queer theory, but if you want to find out more about QT it's on google). In contrast, a lot of radfems are for abolishing gender, that's why they like saying we're 'transmen in denial'. We believe a vast majority of gendered research is biased by the culture, and women should be allowed to behave however suits them (with debate regarding behaviours that harm themselves or other women). Therefore, "woman" is defined by sex only.
Why are they a problem in the bigger sense? The danger of TIMs is that they take opportunities, political positions, and grants away from natal women, and detract from women's issues such as sex slavery, reproductive coersion, femicide, and global misogyny. We believe natal women are forced into a system of abuse due to their biology, and it is not possible to identify in or out of that system.

Hope this helps.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T00:48:49+00:00

Spinach, snap peas or carrots, depending on mood. You?

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T00:47:28+00:00

Outliers are omitted from statistical analysis, as without a trend present it is erraneous to attempt to use them to define the majority population.

A frog is not a mammal. Mammals are a category defined by the relative complexity of their reproductive systems.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-07-01T00:42:53+00:00

look into statistical significance for defining groups.
if someone has the external genitalia of a female upon birth, they will be subject to the patriarchy from day one, because it is assumed they will reproduce.
intersex people have their own problems, and are not a shield for queer theory.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T23:54:11+00:00

Because at present, there's way more people who don't understand than those with the capacity to answer.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T23:50:20+00:00

Eh, it's reasonable to censor when the ratio is roughly 1:100 for radical feminists:interesting questions. It's easy to get slid when the community is small. I think it would be fair to censor while we recoup and then open for debate. Meanwhile I recommend reading some Dworkin!

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T23:44:57+00:00

they'll get bored and go away over time

You assume they view us as people. They do not. The internet pro-male ideologue as we experience them is usually a male suffering from psychosis and delusions of grandeur. He is convinced that women are objects, and women who center women are simply in need of breaking in. They will do anything to "teach us a lesson"; look at the incel crime sprees, the rape of lesbians, and the number of men who want to renounce women's rights.

We do not have the privilege of assuming harmlessness when our beliefs are the sworn enemy of every cumbrain who uses gendered jingoism to escape his own flaws. We are trying to wake women up from being willingly abused by men and abusive men don't like that at all.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T23:34:46+00:00

You mean like the biologically and globally consistent rate of men committing disproportionate amounts of violent crime?

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T23:27:55+00:00

Radical feminism is centered in the marxist concept of gender dynamics, which places women as a producer class and men as an exploiter of that production. This is called the patriarchy, due to which women-centric feminism needs to exist, to point out and protect women's rights as people seperate from our use as reproductive vessels for men (and the gendered culture we are thrown into from birth due to this).

Egaltarianism still centers men. I respect that this dynamic causes men to have problems as well, but that is a fight that men should be fighting without detriment to women, as women fight for their own rights.

I'd argue it's fair for a sub to require any incomers to read dworkin or other radical feminist lit, simply because being flooded by a whole lot of clueless people will dilute the content when they inevidably reply to each other. We could probably have a FAQ, but ideological filtering while the sub is still small is important to make sure the message isn't overpowered. There are, right now, far less of the old guard radfems who are well-versed in answering your questions than there are questions.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T19:39:57+00:00

Which male subs? Because I'm pretty sure GC only banned male subs when they had a record of trying to flood GC.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T19:38:42+00:00

libfem != radfem, babe.

If radfems controlled reddit the world would be a different place :)

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T19:37:43+00:00

I think we've essentially have that setup with the discord communities

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T18:48:12+00:00

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goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-30T18:41:59+00:00

Except the term "misogynistic" is simply a label that ties this behaviour back to the larger, systemic issues that women face that we are all aware of. If you want to know if this claim is supported by facts, lurk more.

goodbyeplanet · 2020-06-29T23:01:10+00:00

based tbh

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