I like to read stuff and this seems like a good place to do that. by EnwardHardar in Introductions

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Hello, welcome!

You might like this SaidIt tips post.

Can we discuss the JQ here, or off limits? by partnparcel in Introductions

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Yes, but if you do it too much creator/admin magnora7 will think the site's becoming too much like voat and he might do something to make that convo happen less until there's more "not-voat-like" content.

And I'm assuming you mean "what's with all these Jewish people in powerful positions and what has their influence on history in Europe been?" rather than "lulz <slur> <slur>".

A Fresh Change by Edvin in Introductions

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that sounds delish!

The “America First” Movement Has A Federal Agent Problem by Markimus in debatealtright

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Milo has been outed as a federal informant

What! Was he always?

The no-downvotes and the moderation log are nice. by ccccccc in SaidIt

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What are the moderation logs?

The public moderation logs (they were private on reddit, so you never knew what was being removed until people made those moderation transparency sites like ceddit, etc). Like https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/about/log for this sub. (The link is next to the list of moderators in the sidebar of each sub)

To users here who deny the holocaust, what are your arguments? by ayotollahsinIran in debatealtright

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I'm not quite sure what to think about it, but for one I don't know what to make of this kind of stuff.

The holocaust denial laws and prosecutions and the complete saturation of holocaust memorials down to tiny public libraries is also strange.

Solitary Confinement: The Rise of "Prison" Cities by girlwithpolkadots in conspiracy

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I remember a while back thinking about places for people to live, how things were designed. If you were going to have a factory, say, you need people to work in it. They need a place to live. But why is housing built the way it is? It should be inter-generational. It should be a whole community that moves in to work in your factory, not just isolated individuals. The residential structure should facilitate that, it should be designed from the ground up for that.

Other points:

We need more nature. We should be building in harmony with nature, as part of it, not on top of it. Even if we do become super-high-density, there's still opportunity to incorporate nature into that. Living walls you can pick your fresh veggies off for dinner, grown off sunlight redirected with mirrors? Incorporating nesting habitat for birds and such into the building design? There are possibilities. I'm lucky to have a yard right now and it makes me so incredibly happy just to go watch the life even in this little space. And I learn from watching and being part of it. I think it's very important.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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perhaps related discussion:

I am a homeschool mom who is finding a lot of other moms waking up to all the agendas. I am hearing from a lot of worried parents concered about their brainwashed teens. The parents want help deradicalizing them from anti-male and anti-white worldviews. The more I talk to these parents, the more I see a need for some kind of crash course for parents to learn some real history and facts so they can course-correct their kids.

discussion link

banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech by kim4432 in censorship

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what more do you want?

It sounded like you were saying you thought it was fine the way it is, even though there wasn't anything on the /s/PinkPillFeminism or /s/altUnitedKingdom sidebars saying that opposing viewpoints were being removed.

I can't speak for u/teelo but I would have wanted a statement from an admin of what was being looked into - either updating rule 4b to take that sidebar statement requirement off, or something like "we're in contact with the mods and expect it to be resolved, please feel free to ping back in a few days if it's not."

Attention magnora7: My idea/solution. by theoracle in SaidIt

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More thoughts: maybe moderation should be pull-based (pull content you want into the space), rather than filter-based (remove "bad" content). creates better incentives this way: people try to be worthy of getting something in, rather than getting mad if their stuff is removed or they're kicked out.

NazBol Gang has arrived. by VarangianRasputin in Introductions

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The happiness of my people is my main concern.

Well I can certainly get behind that. Hope your time at SaidIt helps advance that cause.

And thank you for explaining your position a bit more, I had heard the term "NazBol" before but didn't really know what it meant.

Dirtbag left, wassup by Breadman in Introductions

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Hello! Nice to see more lefty-types here as I think it helps balance the discussion as it currently is. I like that SaidIt is designed to help everyone actually talk to each other.

NazBol Gang has arrived. by VarangianRasputin in Introductions

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Interesting. What about private property like a family farm? How do new activities/factories/businesses get started? Who organizes projects and keeps them running properly?

What were your opinions on radfeminism that got you censored? by quilii in Gender_Critical

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More content that was censored on GC: PIV SEX/INTERCOURSE IS BAD FOR WOMEN

The post contained several links in OP before it was removed, including some links talking about less-known biological aspects of PIV sexual intercourse in humans and other creatures, and some links arguing that all PIV sex is rape.

NazBol Gang has arrived. by VarangianRasputin in Introductions

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Why is having all businesses (and residences?) run by the state desirable?

Can every political ideology be twisted in a way that keeps women as second class citizens? by cybitch in Gender_Critical

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Unfortunately (as this is an interesting and relevant topic), I think this post is not in keeping with the moderation policy. It's a bit in the gray area, but I don't think I'm doing anyone any favors by not trying to moderate according to the publicly stated rules. Especially if I would moderate another woman who tried responding in a similar way. If you would like to, please resubmit the post after editing to bring it in line with the moderation policy. More details below.

Specifically this rule, under "What content is removed?":

Other content is moderated according to SaidIt's pyramid of debate. Content containing anything from the bottom 4 levels is removed, even if it also contains content from higher levels.

I would consider these things to be light name-calling:

an unusually big amount of these "ladies"

This seems like it was probably meant in an insulting way, but it's hard to be sure, and "ladies" is accurate if one believes these people are not really female ladies. But if you're going to resubmit, please choose a word here that is less likely to be interpreted or misinterpreted as a mild insult.

I'd be willing to bet a lot less men believe in this whole "women have penises" "war is peace" style modern wokespeak

I would consider "wokespeak" here to be a sort of name-calling. It seems to carry negative connotations, delegitimizing these viewpoints, in addition to being descriptive.

And now it seems those woke women have decided to hand the movement over to men in skirts.

I would consider "woke" here to be a mild form of name-calling. I would also consider "men in skirts" to be a mild form of name-calling, though if that were the only thing I would probably leave it alone as it also works as a descriptor.

As this is an interesting topic, I hope you consider resubmitting. Sorry to have to moderate, but keep in mind that the rules are meant to keep this a productive place for discussions between women from very different backgrounds, and hopefully all moderation helps keep things in line with that positive intent. Though I will be removing the post, the content should still be available in your personal account to copy, edit, and resubmit fairly easily as desired.

NazBol Gang has arrived. by VarangianRasputin in Introductions

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What exactly does it mean to "nationalize" something? It would be run like the postal service is in the US, basically? How do you nationalize a residence?

What has happened wrt small businesses in other socialist states? How did it become clear they were necessary?

NazBol Gang has arrived. by VarangianRasputin in Introductions

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We aim to nationalize all private property

Like "they held all in common except for their drinking cup and their sword" style?

That would include all businesses, including little bakeries and stuff? What about residences?

NazBol Gang has arrived. by VarangianRasputin in Introductions

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Is it different from National Socialism? Or is it basically a name for the same thing?

NazBol Gang has arrived. by VarangianRasputin in Introductions

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What is National Bolshevism?

NazBol Gang has arrived. by VarangianRasputin in Introductions

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Hello! What does "NazBol" mean?

A Fresh Change by Edvin in Introductions

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Hello!

cooking

What's something you cooked lately?

What's your opinion on consensual consanguinamory (a.k.a. incest)? by Adallindis in AskSaidIt

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  • A lot of incest irl involves exploitation (parents abusing children).
  • It's bad for genetic health reasons. It's important to keep the taboo imo. It seems fairly hard-coded in humans and other animals to avoid mating too closely.
  • It seems like it messes up what these familial relationships are supposed to be about. Damages the fabric of society. Messes up support networks.
  • It is deeply disturbing to me and I'm happy to keep it that way.

Question about "We resist efforts to limit women's reproductive autonomy" by NDG in GenderCritical

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Is this an essential qualification for being able to post here? And what exactly does it mean?

On /r/GC iirc the rule was simple and clear: content arguing against the right to abortion in any way would be removed.

I think you can probably still post and participate just fine, just don't post that specific disallowed content here. Or at least that was the rule. The rules may be different in the new forum. And of course they're different in other radfem spaces.

it's going to cut out a lot of women who are able and willing to fight against trans ideology.

The requirement to be a "radical feminist" arguably removed most women already, anyway. Most women are not radical feminists! on /r/GC it seemed like it was ok for women who were not radical feminists to post relevant stuff as long as they remained respectful that it was a radical feminist space. Like women posting asking for help with bad experiences they were having with men in their lives.

I've also seen posts elsewhere by conservative women who say they like to read GC but don't post because they know they're not radical feminists and that's fine, but they still appreciate the information.

I think it would be neat to just have a women's place where we could all talk to each other, differences and all.

Censored on /s/Lesbians: An Appeal by ccccccc in censorship

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I didn't link it because of their opinions regarding female homoeroticism, I linked it because they're actual Lesbians, i.e. people from the island of Lesbos. I feel their idea of what "Lesbian" means should take precedence, since I'm not from Lesbos and they are.

And it's not just the people in the picture. Lesbians seem to have a hard time talking about themselves in general. News events regarding Lesbos seem harder to talk about. Like I tried to explain in OP, to me, it doesn't feel right to use it this way anymore.

Something of interest: Somebody's going around Reddit calling the Alt-Right like a CIA psy-op or something by sineavec in debatealtright

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Maybe a somewhat similar perspective: there's also "The Rats of Nationalism".

Censored on /s/Lesbians: An Appeal by ccccccc in censorship

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I had only heard about Sappho and her poetry being connected to Lesbos, there was a whole society of homoerotic women there? I had thought that "lesbian" in this sense was a fairly recent thing. I had not heard anything about Sappho or Lesbian society promoting a specific ideology like Christianity does, did this really happen?

What were your opinions on radfeminism that got you censored? by quilii in Gender_Critical

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I suppose she's complaining about the same thing being done to her that she wants to do to others. I still think it's interesting that her content was censored. I wouldn't have expected it; she's clearly not an American right-winger man or whatever one might expect to be censored on GC (unless she's/he's lying about who she/he really is).

banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech by kim4432 in censorship

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Do you think it would work if we could just report it to the admins if we noticed a sub doing this? Without restricting when they can take themselves on or off of /all?

Radical feminism is failing because it’s too racist by meerkat in GenderCritical

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It's my experience that radical feminism has a problem with being anti-white. For example spinster's terms specifically suppress white identity and only white identity content. It also has a problem with suppressing critical statements about certain groups, while permitting them about other groups, in a way that is unfair. There is also regular use of a term intended to exclude white women and only white women, a tiny minority in a global movement who are in increasingly urgent need of protection and support worldwide, and who have unacknowledged historical trauma to deal with (where do you think the word "slave" comes from? it's still going on in the same places it's always been going on, and it's still targeting white women specifically). I hope these things can be rectified going forward.

I'm also curious why you were banned.

Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot. by tskaalgard in Introductions

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yeah it shouldn't be politicized, doing that hurts the people who are actually affected because it becomes so much more difficult to have effective conversations about. like how it's harder to talk about covid masks now than it was back in january/february because it's become politicized.

Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot. by tskaalgard in Introductions

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the culture war is the way they use to try to co-opt leftist stuff, isn't it.

Your ideas are "unsafe" and so you will be silenced. by cybitch in GenderCritical

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Her course "Anthropology of Women" sounds amazing! Let's make an online university for women & girls and hire her with better compensation and wider, more meaningful influence for her work!

In the future Women's University will come to exist as a physical place as well on a women's island in the gynergic center of the earth.

r/GenderCriticalMen has been sent to private by ghostory in GenderCritical

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most people tend to lurk in internet communities.

1% rule (Internet Culture)

PIV SEX/INTERCOURSE IS BAD FOR WOMEN by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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That trustyourperceptions link has fascinated me since I first saw it back on the old GC a while back. I'm glad to have a more balanced perspective provided in the comments here, but I'm really glad to see that one shared. Thank you for reposting this.

PIV SEX/INTERCOURSE IS BAD FOR WOMEN by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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I'm just happy that nobody has to get pierced in the abdomen to reproduce or get their heads ripped off.

Well there's some perspective for today! I guess it really could be way worse.

PIV SEX/INTERCOURSE IS BAD FOR WOMEN by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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what others said. maybe short for "NIcest Guy that Ever Lived"

Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot. by tskaalgard in Introductions

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Hello! I am happy to see more ideological variety on SaidIt, and more variety in lefty-type discourse. I like that SaidIt is designed to help us all actually talk to each other.

What were your opinions on radfeminism that got you censored? by quilii in Gender_Critical

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It would be nice to have an acknowledgement that they are participating in the same sort of censorship-without-disclosure-and-with-slander behavior.

I just want them to follow their own stated rules (or make the rules accurately disclose what's censored), like they wanted reddit to follow their own stated rules.

Also: Reminder: everyone likes and encourages censorship...

What should SaidIt users be doing to maintain their personal security when participating here? by ccccccc in AskSaidIt

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I added a link in the SaidIt welcome message comments, feel free to upvote it! If the admins think it's a good idea maybe they could add a "security tips" section to the welcome message.

Welcome to Saidit.net! by magnora7 in SaidIt

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What were your opinions on radfeminism that got you censored? by quilii in Gender_Critical

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I checked, and I can see your removed comments here for now. I saw some of those comments and it's interesting to know they removed that.

What were your opinions on radfeminism that got you censored? by quilii in Gender_Critical

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on GC?? Isn't that their main viewpoint? was it the "social construct" bit?

Saidit vs Ruqqus? by Mallet22 in AskSaidIt

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On ruqqus you can't remove content, but you can kick it out of a moderated space back to a general area for all content.

Heavily Armed “Black Militia” Call For Black Ethnostate: “We’ll Take Texas” by scrubking in politics

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I'm sad about Liberia. Liberia should be great too.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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Yeah but we could just ... do it. Without waiting on gov't funding or involvement. Or any funding. Just organize it, whatever it needs, and do it.

Public works project is the perfect thing to deal with covid out-of-work stuff. If it can be done safely. I guess if it can't some sort of work-from-home public works project might be safer.

banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech by kim4432 in censorship

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It matters to me that the site rules reflect what's actually being enforced.

From my perspective it appears as if it's not being taken care of. I already didn't message earlier regarding PPF because I didn't want to bother, but then there wasn't a reply so it seemed like it wasn't being taken care of so I messaged.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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I think we could do this crowdfunded-style. Or just crowdsourced somehow. Lots of people are out of work, just need to organize it to be safe, provide food, shelter, expertise, etc. Maybe training if that's what's needed.

It would be meaningful work. Infrastructure is important.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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public works projects opportunity? hmmm.

banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech by kim4432 in censorship

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Another sub /s/PinkPillFeminism has this same problem: they may be off /s/all but similarly to /s/altUnitedKingdom there is no note in the sidebar stating that opposing opinions are removed (as per mod rule 4b)

as noted here: /s/SaidIt/comments/56ow/its_been_two_days_can_we_get_an_update_on_the/jpt8

banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech by kim4432 in censorship

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I think that /s/altUnitedKingdom is taking moderation actions that are in violation of SaidIt's stated rules.

I think they are not in compliance with sub rule 4b (as are several subs that have been removing opposing comments that do not drag the discussion down the pyramid of debate). I think it's a bit of an ongoing problem, and it doesn't seem to be getting addressed. Maybe more admins are needed? Idk. That's what I meant about it being a larger problem, there are several subs that don't seem to be complying with the stated rules and surely the problem will only grow as SaidIt does, new mods arrive not understanding the differences from reddit, etc.

It seemed like an important rule to help keep SaidIt from going the way of reddit censorship, I assume that's why the rule was written.

I think an admin needs to look at /s/altunitedkingdom and determine if they are in compliance with saidit policy. And if they are not, take whatever action admins deem necessary based on how they want to run the site.

It seemed like an important enough issue, that's why I pinged the admins.

banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech by kim4432 in censorship

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mods should be able to remove their sub from all but only an admin should be able to add it back again.

why do you think this would be helpful?

Whether or not a sub is on all should be made publicly accessible.

I think that's a good idea too.

People really don't like getting banned. by ccccccc in censorship

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The people being banned from GC are either trolls or there to start up debate

Again, this was really the point I was trying to make, I wanted to explain why I believe this is a common misconception and isn't accurate. It wasn't my intent to make the case as to whether any of the removed content was stating a correct view or not.

To respond to a few other points:

Why should whether homo/bisexuality is a result of "healthy normal biology" even matter? Women are critical of TRAs because they are a risk to women's rights. What rights do LGB people infringe upon?

My point in mentioning this is to give an example of what I mean by "LGB dogma" since I was asked. It seems like it is treated as a dogmatic belief.

Saying that homosexuality is an ideology puts lesbian women at risk - this sort of argument is what causes both the cotton ceiling and corrective rape. So yes, I could see how arguing for a belief that has caused on multiple occasions literal rape would get you banned off of a sub full of women.

This beliefs does not cause rape or sexual harassment, any more than "I think men can't become women through transgenderist interventions" causes their murder. Please place responsibility for violent acts on the actual people who have perpetrated them.

The reason I mentioned it is I believe it is a dogmatic belief. It was a response to being asked what I mean by "LGB dogma".

Why I don't believe Saidit will be a free speech platform by [deleted] in censorship

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decline to sell out / take the gift / take the bribe, you (freedom) (no strings) are worth a lot more.

Why I don't believe Saidit will be a free speech platform by [deleted] in censorship

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the old Aaron Swartz free speech reddit policy of yore.

what was that policy?

Why I don't believe Saidit will be a free speech platform by [deleted] in censorship

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I agree with OP's assessment. If it can be salvaged I think we need a community position to ensure the rules are actually being enforced fairly for everyone, who can expose it when they're not.

banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech by kim4432 in censorship

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Do you know how to check if a sub is on all?

I'm not sure how to.

They would also need to add a statement in their sidebar that they are censoring opposing opinions in order to comply with rule 4b.

People really don't like getting banned. by ccccccc in censorship

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The people being banned from GC are either trolls or there to start up debate

There's a lot here I could talk about, but I'd like to go back to this which was what I was really trying to say.

I don't think "claims of anti-semitism are used to silence legitimate criticism of some Jewish groups" in response to someone mentioning "anti-semitism" is the same sort of thing as trying to kill or deport a lot of Jewish people. (Just like it's not "transphobic" to say "I don't think male transgenderists are really female" and it's not "islamophobic" to say "Islamic sects usually treat women badly.") If talking about anti-semitism isn't off-topic to radical feminism, then how is the criticism of how "anti-semitism" is used off-topic? That's not right. That's using the platform to push an ideological position. The fact that this kind of one-sided censorship was occurring was not disclosed.

I did not say this to troll hoping to get a reaction. I did not say this because I wanted to debate the basic tenants of radical feminism or because I wanted to hurt Jewish readers or Jewish people in general. I simply wanted to participate in the conversation like anyone else. Believing that "anti-semitism" is never used inappropriately is not a tenant of radical feminism and was not stated on any sub rules as a requirement for participation.

I posted the about LGBT on /r/actualwomen, which claimed to be a place open to all women regardless of ideology. I did not say anything saying that anything bad should happen to anyone. I did make a post arguing that "homosexuality" is an ideology, not biology. Which again, is not anymore homophobic than "I don't think transgenderism is real biology" is transphobic. This was contrary to the rules stated on /r/actualwomen.

I would consider "LGB dogma" to be things like the existence of a biological trait called homo/bi/heterosexuality that is always the result of healthy, normal biology and never anything else. The idea that questioning that is something called "homophobia" and makes you a really bad person who, for the safety of others, must be marginalized away from polite society regardless of personal material consequences. Things like that. I think there was a time when all of this was all much less dogmatic and it was normal for people to speculate and explore these topics freely, as one might discuss any other non-politicized topic.

I mainly wanted to reply, though, to correct the idea that it was only "trolls" or "people looking to debate the fundamental tenants of radical feminism" who were banned or censored. I see this claim a lot, and I think it's not true. There are other examples in my comment -- a self-described third world woman whose argument against any collaboration with right-wing anything was censored without disclosure. A woman who was censored when trying to name the groups involved in the UK grooming gangs. These were not "trolls" and they were not looking to debate the fundamental tenants of radical feminism, yet they were censored too. I want people to be aware that this was happening. It wasn't just trolls or people looking to debate basic radical feminist principles.

banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech by kim4432 in censorship

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I disagree. kim4432's comment there is at least a contradiction.

If the sub bans ideological opponents it needs to take itself off of /all and state that in the sidebar, in accordance with mod rule 4b. /u/VantaFount and /u/magnora7 do you have comments? This will likely continue to be an ongoing issue on SaidIt and this sort of thing is what SaidIt's policies were meant to prevent, no? I feel bad pinging you but you are the only ones who can act as administrators and maintain site policy. Is there a better way to deal with these issues?

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical by ccccccc in Gender_Critical

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lol you can communicate how you like. I just wasn't sure where you were trying to take the conversation, I suppose.

The announcement was more like a stream of consciousness than anything, so it was a bit hard to follow. But I'm thinking this is the meat of it?

Hm. Well I'm not always as clear a writer as I'd like.

So I was thinking maybe this was a sub for people who were critical of gender roles, but who were not full blown Marxists. But... not I'm thinking maybe that's not it. Maybe you want to debate?

I want women who are critical of gender roles and who are not full blown marxists to feel welcome here. (And it's my impression they would be on GC too, btw. I don't think they're all 100% full-blown marxists, especially because they tend to criticize the expectation that women put everyone else's needs before women's needs in activism.)

I don't mean it to be specifically for that though. I want it to be a place that welcomes all women, regardless of ideology or life situation or whatever. I suppose the sidebar is a bit long, but that's where I really tried to spell out what the sub is meant for. And maybe "debate" is kinda close but I mean it to be for discussion more than debate. I'd rather just share perspectives and learn from each other without feeling any need to correct each other or whatever. Sometimes I think it's easier to learn in a less confrontational way anyway.

Girly girls have such big persecution complexes by eddyelric in GenderCritical

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our enemies have always been fantastic at allowing us to divide ourselves so that they can then swoop in and conquer. We shouldn't let ourselves do that work for them.

People keep saying this, and somehow every time it's said I still need to hear it. Thank you for saying it again.

It's been two days. Can we get an update on the unreasonable banning going on over at /s/pinkpillfeminism? This site has too much going for it to allow this kind of censorship. by rdh2121 in SaidIt

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See the rules for moderators, linked on the site Terms & Content Policy at the bottom.

SaidIt was designed hoping to correct some of the problems the creators saw with Reddit, which included mods banning people inappropriately for ideological reasons.

4a) Mods cannot remove user comments that are both in good faith and on-topic.

4b) Mods CAN remove opposing opinions that are high on the pyramid of debate, and ban those users on that sub, if and only if the 2 following conditions are met: 1: The fact the sub removes opposing opinions is announced in the sub's sidebar. 2: The mods uncheck the sub setting "allow this sub to appear on /all"

So unless a sub is compliant with mod rule 4b, the mods sub shouldn't be able to remove your comments unless they're dragging down the pyramid of debate. It doesn't seem like dragging down to respond to an insult with insults, imo.

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical by ccccccc in Gender_Critical

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I can try to explain more if you'd like, but I'm having a bit of a hard time reading your tone here.

I'm not here to fight with anyone, to convince, or to be convinced, or whatever. I want this to be a place where we can work together positively without feeling like we're imposing on each other or being imposed on. I want this to be a place where everyone can state their perspective openly and can take from the conversations whatever they each find useful.

If biological sex has no influence on social behaviors, then I want to believe that. If it has some influence, then I want to understand that, whatever it is. I don't like feeling like I have to take any dogmatic position, and I want this to be an environment where other women don't have to either. I want us all to be free to think for ourselves and to discuss openly but without pressure here. That's all I'm saying.

What should SaidIt users be doing to maintain their personal security when participating here? by ccccccc in AskSaidIt

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how do you tell if you're on a watchlist?

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical by ccccccc in Gender_Critical

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I'm surprised to hear it sounds like a "red pill women's" forum to you. And that's fine if you don't want to engage, I would encourage everybody to keep their time and energy focused where it is most beneficial for them. I would sincerely hate to find out I'd helped a woman waste her time here. :(

I made the sub because of topics that were censored on r/GC, that I was unhappy to see censored. Some of those topics seemed like they were intentionally participating in suppressing information not at all related to GC or radical feminism or anything. Some because I just don't personally think they're true at this moment and would like to be able to have open discussion about them, without feeling like I need to take an ideological line.

Personally I hadn't intended to make any post arguing that women should be "helpmeets" to a male "captain". I'm more trying to free myself from what I view as a dogmatic position that GC has held. What if we find women are usually gifted at X or Y mental activity in a surprising and unexpected way? What if we find out women's abilities are way more plastic and the result of life experience than thought? I mean sure, we might find out women are all super dumb and should try to act dumber than they are, idk. But we can't even discuss these things on GC because of what I view as a dogmatic stance. And I don't like that. I want to be able to actually discuss these things openly.

I do want women who believe that "helpmeet" to "captain" stuff to be able to speak freely here, because I think they are unable to in lots of women's spaces... and they're women, for goodness sakes! I also want women who strongly disagree with that to be able to speak here. I want to be able to talk to each other. To share opinions. I want there to be a space for women where all these opinions are present, so that a woman can read and decide for herself what she thinks makes sense, instead of it being decided by a moderator. Not to fight with each other, but to have a place where these opinions can all be voiced, where we can find common ground. Maybe where we can work for all women while allowing all women a voice and supporting each other where it makes sense, without imposing ideology on anyone, or having to compromise our own to participate.

Again, thanks for replying. It's nice to know if this space doesn't work for you (and presumably other women like you), and why.

Girly girls have such big persecution complexes by eddyelric in GenderCritical

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Is this subforum about Gender Critical issues or strictly about being radfem?

"gender critical" comes from earlier radical feminist discourse, as I under stand it. Before all this transgender stuff craze. The idea in radical feminist discourse is that there is something called "gender" which exists to help men exploit women. Most femininity stuff would be considered part of that.

/r/GC was a radical feminist sub and did not focus strictly on problems caused for women by the transgender movement. Things that were not in alignment enough with radical feminism as understood by the mods were removed.

There are probably different sorts of schools of radical feminist thought (that are also still female-centered) so I don't know about that in general. But I think that's what "gender critical" means in this space.

Girly girls have such big persecution complexes by eddyelric in GenderCritical

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Do they call themselves radical feminists? I thought they were a different, but female-benefit-centered group.

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical by ccccccc in Gender_Critical

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Interesting, thanks for voicing your perspective.

But I’m also not sure how well I’ll fit here.

I'm not so much hoping this will be a place to "fit in" as a place women can work together if desired. That's kindof what I'm getting at with "intercommunity." More like an international conference than a club. We don't all need to believe the same things to offer perspectives that will be valuable to other women, or to work together on shared interests.

12-Year Reddit veteran, sadly acknowledging the site won't return to the way it was 7+ years ago by neovulcan in Introductions

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Thanks for sharing this, it's all pretty interesting.

I think strategically we need to stick to presenting people with the facts in a consistent non hostile manner, carefully documenting how the TRAs are actively lying or being disingenuous.

This seems pretty doable. And it will probably help.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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Not sure.

I don't like a lot about education in that it feels a bit too much like indoctrination. And I think I'm not the only one. I feel a little silly for saying this, but I feel like sandbox mmos and online communities almost taught me more about how things work than classes did. It was easy to learn in my own way at my own pace and see dynamics for myself, rather than having them explained to me from another's perspective. And explore for myself.

look at these kid entrepreneurs. Lots of them ended up starting a business just by doing the extremely natural human activity of noticing something that was a problem, or something that could help more people than themselves, and making something out of it.

Sometimes I feel "education" should be less about telling students what to think or encouraging the reading of a certain cannon, and more about just supporting natural exploratory behaviors.

I also think we keep people as "children" for too long. Let people work. Admit that people are, in many ways, well on their way to "grown up" by 14 or so. Stop keeping people in indoctrination forever. Let people learn through work and living in the world. Let people start building to support a family so they can start having babies in their early 20s like is biologically ideal.

Idk. I haven't thought this all through. So maybe those aren't good ideas. But I think there's some truth to what I'm saying here.

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical by ccccccc in Gender_Critical

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Is anyone else here happy with this being a women-only sub? Only a few people have commented so far.

I suppose I could just post stuff on /s/feminism or /s/women instead if that's what most people really seem to prefer.

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical by ccccccc in Gender_Critical

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Hm.

Yeah, I've had this instinct that women are "safer" than men somehow when... that often is not the case. Women can be abusive. Women can be pedophiles. I don't think it does women any favor to be let off the hook for this, either.

what's the point? Like not in theory, in reality.

Welllll. I guess "in reality" we'll have to see. I just really would rather hear women's opinions. We can't dismiss them as "oh that's just a man's opinion on this, he's just trying to keep women down because of his own interests". I mean, yes, men can influence women who come speak here too. But I think there's something meaningful about just hearing the perspectives of other women.

There are a lot of things I really like about GC. The female atmosphere was one of them, but I know it left out a lot of the voices of a lot of women because it was feminist and radical feminist about that. I want to hear from those women.

And I also don't want to hear from /s/testing_sub3, y'know? Or if I do, I want it to be because a woman went there and believes it... I want to know what she gets out of it, why she thinks it, etc.

That's my thinking, anyway. I also don't want to participate in helping a man turn GC away from a focus on women, if that's what the person who gave me this sub was attempting to do.

Tips to grow and sustain this sub by MarquisBoniface in Gender_Critical

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I'm removing this post now that I've decided that the sub should be female-only, since OP is male. However I have copied the content here in the interest of anti-censorship.

There's some censorship going on in the newly popular feminist subs and it needs to be openly addressed. by ccccccc in SaidIt

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/u/MarquisBoniface made a post offering some advice to help the sub. Since I decided to make the sub female-only I'm removing the post, but I want to copy it here in the interest of anti-censorship.

original post: /s/Gender_Critical/comments/54rj/tips_to_grow_and_sustain_this_sub/

content:


Tips to grow and sustain this sub

submitted by /u/MarquisBoniface 3 days ago [as of this copying]

There is a time period essential for galvanizing growth and determining whether a sub will catch on or not.

I've seen way too many subs get a ton of subscribers then just completely drop off with activity, no posts/comments for months and months at a time.

It's important to remember you don't actually need a lot of people to establish a sub, the vast majority of subscribers just lurk anyway, a few regular posters/commentors is all that's needed.

So I'd say posting/comment quota goals (ie reaching 5 posts and 5 comments a day) is a good and attainable goal to set for now, such a thing only requires like two or three people (about 10% of the current sub size, 24). Such a goal serves to keep contributors expectations completely in line with reality, and well groudned expectations prevent the onset of demoralization. Preventing demoralization (and neutralizing shills pushing it) is essential because demoralization is the number 1 killer of online forums.

I've argued with a metric ****-ton of shills and, through such arguments I slowly learned more and more how they strategize and attack. Demoralization is the most common tactic they use because it's EFFECTIVE. But once it's understood, it can be prevented. The best way to counter shilling is simple awareness.

I'd also recommend OP explicitly advertise the sub as the true "gendercritical successor" in well received posts, like editing this one: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/53n9/theres_some_censorship_going_on_in_the_newly/

That's my two cents.

Ignore the men by Smurfette in BlackPillFeminism

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If this sub would like to welcome opposing or just different views from other women, consider mentioning that in the sidebar! Otherwise women may feel it's not appropriate for them to comment here if they feel they don't agree with enough.

People really don't like getting banned. by ccccccc in censorship

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The people being banned from GC are either trolls or there to start up debate

I disagree. There was content removed for ideological reasons, like people being able to complain about "antisemitism" but content pointing out abuse of the term "antisemitism" was removed. Similarly there was a great deal of censorship of non-hateful content to keep content in line with LGB dogma.

Here are some comments about things that were removed.

All I am asking is that GC is transparent about and follows its own rules regarding censorship. The same thing GC was disappointed in reddit for not doing.

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical: An women's ideology-neutral alternative to /s/GenderCritical for discussing gender and female prosperity by ccccccc in PinkPillFeminism

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It's basically meant to be an open forum for women to talk, without any required ideology, on some of the topics discussed on GenderCritical. So gender, and women's prosperity. GenderCritical only facilitates discussion of these topics from a radical feminist perspective, as understood by the GC mods, perhaps with other unstated ideological restrictions on discourse as well.

So unlike GC, it's open for any opinion any women may have. But like GC, it's meant for discussion of similar topics.

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical by ccccccc in Gender_Critical

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You as a woman would prefer this not be a space for women only?

I just feel I'd be turning my back on GC somehow. While I'm grateful to have the sub, I don't know what the motivations of the person who gave it to me were. It feels wrong to open it to men somehow.

There's also /s/feminism and /s/women which are open to everyone.

But I don't know everyone's perspective on this. So I do like to hear from women who have different preferences about this.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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Does "criticism" mean something other than "discussing negatively"?

from krinein "to separate, decide" (from PIE root *krei- "to sieve," thus "discriminate, distinguish") (etymonline)

The English word always has had overtones of "censurer, faultfinder, one who judges severely."

Hmm. So the original word was more like "having good judgement"? Perhaps a synonym to "analytic thinking"?

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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constructive thinking, imo. does "critical thinking" not come from "critical theory"? it's a destructive and undermining way of approaching things, isn't it?

It's been two days. Can we get an update on the unreasonable banning going on over at /s/pinkpillfeminism? This site has too much going for it to allow this kind of censorship. by rdh2121 in SaidIt

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btw OP, /u/d3rr has stepped down from admin duty to focus on coding, and /u/VantaFount has stepped up as a new admin.

Announcing /s/Gender_Critical by ccccccc in Gender_Critical

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Hmm.

Well first to clarify, /s/Gender_Critical is NOT meant to be a radical feminist sub. (Yes, I realize gender criticism in this context is a radical feminist concept. The sub name isn't ideal. I tried to explain above how I arrived at this decision anyway.) It's not even meant to be a feminist sub. It's meant to be a sub for women from any background to discuss these topics.

It seems better to keep it female-only. And I can't do that and also put it on /s/all. So that's why I decided to take it off of /s/all.

And no it does not bother me to hear comments like this, it's interesting to hear what women want from a discussion space that they have perhaps found lacking thus far.

Peak trans is peak tucute by Yamyam in Gender_Critical

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I see some truth in this. It seems like a movement that calls people "truscum" may not have the best of intentions in mind, or be particularly grounded in serious medical and scientific thinking.

And I do think these sorts of movements can attract people who are looking for a place they can belong or have a favored position. I mentioned this blog before, but there is a blog The Dirt from Dirt which argues that a similar thing has happened regarding female homoeroticism: that there is a rare biological condition only a few people have, which a lot of people have tried to glom onto for various reasons. It also seems like this kind of hostility is not uncommon among female homoerotics, and I'm not very familiar with that scene, but it seems like there's a parallel.

However, I think there are problems with any male who wants to identify as female, whether he has a female-typical brain (to the extent that's a real thing), an atypical male brain, or whatever. He's still not a woman, and not recognizing the differences where they matter still creates a problem for women.