Joe Rogan's latest podcast interview--with Abigail Shrier, author of Irreversible Damage by Lilith_Fair in GenderCritical

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Joe Rogan's latest podcast interview--with Abigail Shrier, author of Irreversible Damage by Lilith_Fair in GenderCritical

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Joe Rogan's latest podcast interview--with Abigail Shrier, author of Irreversible Damage by Lilith_Fair in GenderCritical

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I think it's more that this doesn't affect men as much as it affects women. So naturally they don't care as much

i dont necessarily think this is the case. i definitely grant the fact that this hurts women more, but that doesn't necessarily mean that men dont care as much. women are more understanding, and men are more protective (of women) and i can think of many scenarios where men would be more upset in a situation involving female loved ones than the female herself.

your example of your husband not being as understanding of the "uterus havers" "penis havers" things, although at first may seem like some uncaring, it is mostly an example of the differences in how men and women deal with social situations. men are less likely to be hurt by comments like that, so to us it doesnt seem as bad, that doesnt mean we are downplaying your experience, but we may just not understand that it feels more visceral to you guys.

lastly, i just want to say that i dont think men (most men) "dehumanize" women. we treat women somewhat differently on a biological basis though; this means that we naturally treat the opposite sex differently, no matter how conscientious we try to be, i imagine women do the same. for example, as a man, seeing my male friend hurt himself is funny (as long it's not serious), but seeing a female friend getting hurt is not funny. that is some deep biological programming that is hard to change, and maybe it ought not to be changed without a sure understanding of the consequences on human life. but just because we may treat women differently sometimes, it does not mean that we don't value them, and many cases we value them more than our male friends/relatives, or even ourselves.

Joe Rogan's latest podcast interview--with Abigail Shrier, author of Irreversible Damage by Lilith_Fair in GenderCritical

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i was listening to this and came here to see what you guys were saying about it. i am a little disappointed in your comment about men not carrying much about this issue. many men do care about this because they have wives, girlfriends, mothers, daughters, sisters, nieces etc. and they want to protect them from many of the negative effects of this stuff, and many men have been critical of these things from the start, so please don't perpetuate the idea that you are the only ones fighting this and that men are fine with what is happening and dont care about women. it would be a mistake to discount and exclude this massive population of people (men) that are on your side.