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Everything Else, 14/08/2021 by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Thatsmeisabelle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey! I know ;) i did recognize you. Was always fighting with missy and thought you were always based af at the time haha. I used to be called socialscientist but also had this name. My handle used to be faustist(anna-fausto sterling reference), now its just my discord debate username.

Everything Else, 14/08/2021 by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Thatsmeisabelle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yay! Thanks for visiting! 🙂 I was never on the original sub, so it's been really fun and interesting meeting 'old schoolers' like yourself! That's really cool that you volunteer to help people. Congrats on the promotion/new job, that's exciting!

Happy to be here ;) helping young trans people have a place to come together and talk is important imo. Thanks! Have been working at the same company since i was 14, so its the cherry on the cake i guess.

Since you opened up questions, how have your views changed over time from spending time in these debate spaces? Did you always believe what you believe now, or feel how you do now?

I have become a sort of radical centrist that despises the idea of sides in general haha.The idea of actively subscribing to any idiological side has become weird to me and seems simply a political move. Instead of actually doing good contextual analyses per case when encountering problems and questions in the world, people in groups to many times let themselves be guided by a sort of mental collective efferfesance. While people in general will ofcourse be guided by ideas around them, the concious act of chaining yourself to a group or movement and its idea for me is quite strange. I have become very individualistic.

How can you tell if someone is expressing their actual gender identity? by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Thatsmeisabelle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is that a formal identity then that one takes on? Like something one would announce or disclose?

I would say that while gender identity may push people to transition, there is no direct correlation between transition wishes and the identity people announce, which makes the identity more nebulous. A non binary person and a trans man could have the same transition path for example(which would seem to suggest the same gender id) but identify differently in society

That's interesting, so you don't formally identify as anything? I believe you said you were MTF in another comment, I'm curious how you conceptualize yourself if that's the case. It seems like actually forgoing a formal identity or making claims to one would be the most honest approach, like just letting one's actions speak for themselves like Houseplant touched on.

I identify only as myself intrinsicly but do ofcourse use labels to communicate within society. Just a body with labels. Mtf seems to communicate my transition proces, woman i use because thats what expected/ the perception in general with my body in day to day life and has the least friction. I value consistency and being able to just live my life in society, so i do use and defend the labels i use.

How can you tell if someone is expressing their actual gender identity? by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Thatsmeisabelle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imo gender identity as a concept in academics and identifying as in gender identity are distinctly different.

A gender identity as in a part of conciousness/subconciousness creating strain on the psyche and pushing people to transition is kind of testable to some extend by therapy and diagnose while the identification itself is not testable at all unless you mean testing if people believe the identification signifier they chose themselves based on said strain. Its a disorder and gender identity tries to give us a frame of reference, a concious like concept we dont know enough about yet, but helps us theorize.

Imo identifying as x or y is just a personal completion of this strain and transition routes we take and fairly nebulous.

I myself identify for practical and utility purposes, consistency and a nice time in society because of how the body i am now happier about looks after transition. While i respect people's identities, imo it would be socially stupid for me to identify as either a man or non binary and cause all kinds of problems i have no time or energy for.

Everything Else, 14/08/2021 by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Thatsmeisabelle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Heya, just wanted to say hi and introduce myself. This seemed like a good place.

Isabelle, gcdebates discord user, old timer from the reddit sub. Been in these debates for too long. Here to try and deconstruct all of people's precious ideas.

Qt but not actually qt(the classic), centrist, a little pomo, dont like classisme and 'sides', dutch, study sociology and psychology , supermarket manager(since this year), volunteer at a trans support group org. Trans, mtf.

My purpose in the gcdebatesqt spaces is mostly to put everything in perspective and keep the bridge alive between 'sides' within a debate setting. Debate for debate sake maybe ? Idk and idc tbh, i am having fun. Debate isnt personal for me and i value decency in spirit of facilitating debate.

Thats it, ask any questions you want. Will try to regularly check in ;)