Genuinely asking where they’re getting this genocide shit from bc the amount of likes these ppl get whenever they talk abt it online is concerning.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-03-07T23:19:44+00:00

Very well said. Could not agree more on all of your points. I am honestly pretty left leaning overall but this particular issue is a big exception to that, and I can’t believe more people on the left don’t see the pharma industry angle and the sterilization of people who don’t fit in for what they are. It drives me nuts.

Maybe they do and their either just scared to say anything or in denial about it? Maybe both?

RuinedSpiral · 2023-03-07T22:00:07+00:00

Just looked into the Tennessee de trans thing and all it does is ban hormones and surgery for people under 18.

Again, I really don’t understand how not sterilizing and otherwise hobbling or mutilating kids who aren’t straight or otherwise don’t conform to gender norms is genocide. Such absolute bullshit.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-03-07T20:52:43+00:00

Always with the redheads.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-03-07T20:50:49+00:00

You know, that’s pretty interesting. I don’t really run in any conservative circles in real life, but what you’re describing sounds like kind of a mirror to what I experienced in left wing communities in 2015-2016 or so. You remember, “punch a Nazi” and all that business. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that the right would go through something similar.

Purity spirals, man. What a mess.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-03-07T02:06:57+00:00

You know, I was thinking about this recently. Growing up I was a staunch supporter of gay rights and had (and still do!) some very close gay and lesbian friends, and I stand by that. I really do.

Anyway, through these people I saw some drag stuff like almost 20 years ago. It was funny and while bawdy, not necessarily all that inappropriate all things considered. If I had kids and drag was what it was 15-20 years ago, I don’t think I’d have a problem with like, drag queen story hour even, although taking kids to actual drag shows I’d still see as a bit much.

All of this being said, what drag is, who’s doing it, and what it represents has changed dramatically ever since this trans stuff took over in 2015 or so. It’s become like this super serious and humorless, unironic and highly sexualized ritual in which, for whatever reason, there’s this explicit goal of incorporating children into the whole thing, to the point here you have children actually “performing.”

Shit is messed up and honestly a lot of gays and lesbians aren’t about it either. Worried they’ll get fucked up in some sort of over correction to all of this.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-01-26T02:41:52+00:00

Would love to learn more about this. Fuck what Reddit has become so much.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-01-26T02:40:03+00:00

Oh my God, please just stop. I see shit like this on the SaidIt front page on a constant basis and it never fails to piss me off. It’s just so bizarre and disconnected from reality. Like if Jews really ran the world, I doubt my orthodox Jewish coworker would be slumming it in my my exact same underpaid position.

I know you won’t listen and that you will probably just give me shit for this but I really don’t care. Please just shut up and fuck off.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-01-26T01:27:20+00:00

That wouldn’t surprise me in the least and in fact seems to be a very likely scenario.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-01-26T01:19:08+00:00

Oh well yeah, I talk about that stuff in real life all the time. Still, it’s nice to turn on random people on the internet to Dischord records or Hollow Knight or whatever every once in a while.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-01-26T01:16:33+00:00

That’s good I guess but I really don’t believe it was because it was unmoderated for a second.

RuinedSpiral · 2023-01-26T00:53:08+00:00

Yeah I might take a break from Reddit for a while and just come back to it to talk about music and video games. Clearly my politics are anathema there. Sorry I don’t feel like I should be treated like shit because of my race and sex, I guess.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-09-15T00:18:05+00:00

The workers are getting screwed for sure. I wish them the best of luck. Owners are greedy scum. That being said . . .

There’s no way they reach a deal by Friday. The strike will happen and it will drag on for months. Prices will skyrocket during the strike and probably will remain high afterwards because whatever concessions ownership makes will be made up money wise by raising shipping costs because the owners are greedy fucks obsessed with profits. Brain dead takes from left-leaning people I know will proliferate, and I will lose respect for a lot of them. These will be responded to with equally brain dead takes from right-leaning people I know, and I will lose respect for a lot of them, too. Biden will do something stupid that doesn’t fix anything and the Republicans will respond with some bullshit that makes things worse. Hell, whatever the Democrats come up with will probably make things worse, too, who am I kidding? They’ll be shortages of all kinds of products and good people will suffer.

This is like the fourth or fifth thing like this to come along since 2020, and I am just so very, very tired. I just can’t take it anymore and it’s really starting to effect my mental well being. I just want it to stop.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-09-06T23:16:45+00:00

One thing that’s amazing about the trans movement is how they are somehow able to successfully convince people that the side against sterilizing and debilitating children perceived as somehow gender nonconforming are the genocidal ones.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-30T01:42:26+00:00

Again, that tracks for me and my guess is that yours is the more typical experience. I have seen no Nazi skins and very little violence but have heard a lot of big talk from social justice types about “punching Nazis” in the scene.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-30T00:28:17+00:00

Well said. If we held a lot of musicians of the past, or even the present, to the standards Butler is currently being held to, there would be very little left to listen to if their behavior made us stop listening to them.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-30T00:12:45+00:00

There is a lot to be said here about how this all relates to woke capitalism and the commercial takeover of the internet that I don’t think I could properly articulate with writing a long, long essay.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-30T00:07:43+00:00

Pitchfork has sucked for a long time. The move from catering to more underground tastes to this more poptimist thing is probably the most clear shift demonstrating this. Honestly, I had forgotten about the Condé Nast thing but that probably had a lot to do with it. Even before that though, they had an annoying habit of embracing softer, kind of twee leaning indie pop bands (like the Arcade Fire, ironically enough) while dismissing harder and heavier more underground bands, which always kind of bothered me but one could say that’s a matter of personal taste more than anything. All of this being said though, I didn’t think they’d devolve to the point where they’re relying on cancel culture hit pieces for clicks.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-29T23:56:06+00:00

This is actually a really good articulation of this idea.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-29T17:56:36+00:00

I’m pretty much right there with you. I’m about to hit my mid 30s myself and wouldn’t dream of having a sexual or romantic relationship with someone 18-21 years or age, but at the same time, I do believe that people that age have the ability to consent to relationships with people older than that age. I do think there’s an issue with people equating an incompatible or unsatisfying relationship with abuse though, as we have seen many times that unfounded accusations can really ruin someone’s life.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-28T13:33:20+00:00

Lived experiences only get validated if they serve the narrative. Detailed a lot of my experiences with predatory transwomen in the punk scene in a comment on r/punk and got downvoted and told off by a “gay transman.”

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-27T21:01:46+00:00

I’m definitely sure it got more tame as the years went on. In all of my time going to shows I think I only saw one very small fight and afterwards people talked about it for week. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Nazi Skinhead in person, for all of the hype they get.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-27T16:15:18+00:00

Yeah, this honestly reads as much more truthful and realistic to me than the types of stories you read in books like American Hardcore or Our Band Could Be Your Life. I have always thought that if the American hardcore punk scene in the 1970s and 1980s was truly as chaotic and violent as described in media like that, there is no way it would have been sustainable for as long as it was.

It’s not that I think people like Henry Rollins or Mike Watt are lying by any means, I’m sure things like police harassment and violent run-ins with people outside of punk did happen, and there are some pretty high profile documented incidents. It’s just that all of this, like a lot of things, has gotten exaggerated over the course of these old heads telling the same stories over and over again.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-27T12:47:34+00:00

I definitely appreciated your perspective as an older punk fan. A lot of people around your age on the Reddit thread where I initially posted this are saying things like “fuck those bigots, in the 1980s we’d beat the shit out of Nazis that came around!” While Nazi skins were definitely a problem back then and from what I hear violent altercations would occur, I have to wonder how liberally exactly these redditors define the term “Nazi,” and how much of what they’re saying is even true.

Personally, I got into punk in the early 00s and as I said in my post things were always left leaning but pretty chill up until 2015 or so. I never really experienced much in terms of violence in punk firsthand, though as social media got bigger you would see more cyber bullying and call out posts, so that’s something. I supposed I’d like to emphasize at this point that while the punk community was never perfect, it was a hell of a lot better than what it is now, and the shift was sudden and palpable.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-26T18:20:44+00:00

Yeah see my experience in punk was much the same as yours in metal aside from the fact that it was always a little more explicitly political. My point is it didn’t demand all of this shit from people outside of it. I think there’s also an important distinction made that these subcultures tend to revolve around music, while the whole gender thing seems much more like a political party or a religion. There’s no art there.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-26T17:58:59+00:00

Hilarious and well said. Punk was great for many years but that’s all over now. For what it’s worth though I don’t think it was ever actually about wanting to watch the world burn for a lot of people; as it turns out a lot of them just wanted to burn down this particular world so that they personally could be the oppressors.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-26T16:54:14+00:00

That’s actually a common misconception about punk, even, if not especially, among punks themselves.

The truth is punk has always been left leaning economically and socially, and it made sense for a lot of activists to adopt this whole free speech/nonconformity thing back when the political right had a lot of power during punk’s heyday, but for a lot of these activists it was never about liberation or anything, it was about power. You see a lot of this on the right now, people trying to co-opt anti-authoritarian sentiment to advance their political careers and agendas.

The sad thing is, a lot of contemporary punks never really got the memo that their side ostensibly won and they had been exploited as useful idiots, and still see themselves as some sort of anarchist rebels even though that couldn’t be further from the truth. In a lot of ways it’s a cautionary tale for those who hate woke shit who see the political right as some kind of salvation.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-26T15:50:19+00:00

It’s still up, with like 7 or so downvotes and one response from a “gay transman” (so a straight woman) that said something to the effect of she’s glad I don’t consider myself punk anymore and that I should feel bad about “repeatedly breaking rule 5,” which bans transphobia. She also asked why I was even posting on the thread. I would have responded but she appears to have blocked me.

Anyway, I’m a little disappointed overall with the response. If I was banned or even mass downvoted, that I could understand, but at least if I was going to be mildly ignored, I was hoping I’d at least get some DMs in support of me, as I know there are a lot of people in punk who have to have experienced what I have. Feel like I’m the crazy one even though I know the punk community is burying its head in the sand over this particular issue.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-26T02:05:28+00:00

I see where you’re coming from with enby being the new goth or whatever, but as someone who has seen a lot involved with that type of counterculture, it really is not. Being punk or goth or hipster never demanded nearly as much from people as this trans stuff does. It’s so much more damaging.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-08-26T01:39:34+00:00

2015

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-25T22:00:17+00:00

Something else retarded

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-25T20:40:27+00:00

That’s what they tell me.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-25T20:37:29+00:00

That’s pretty wild hearing that coming from a holocaust denier.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-25T20:11:32+00:00

Whatever. People like you are the reason SaidIt is going to fail.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-25T17:34:55+00:00

You must be a blast a parties.

Why are you obsessed with me?

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-25T15:04:19+00:00

What if I’m both pro-gun and pro-choice?

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-24T22:03:34+00:00

I would love for that to happen but I’m not sure. I know I’ve been spending a lot more time here since the ban but I don’t know how long that will last, not only because of the content I don’t like, but also because of the lack of content in general. There is very little here, and what is here isn’t often that good.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-24T21:42:05+00:00

That’s the thing, denying genocides by despotic regimes of any sort took place probably should be punished, or at least heavily frowned upon.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-24T17:20:37+00:00

Agreed, and then I’ll feel really bad. Unfortunately I feel like it’s the direction it’s going to go.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-24T00:27:09+00:00

Well said. Not only is it just, you know, wrong on so many levels, it’s also terrible optics.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T21:54:49+00:00

I miss all of my comments on there, too. Sometimes when I was feeling particularly upset about woke stuff I’d look back on some of the discussions I had and it did a lot to calm me down and cheer me up.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T20:57:54+00:00

Well said. I really don’t like this whole “but this shows we’re winning” way some people are trying to cope with this. We’ve lost, there’s no way around it. The only way that woke ideology ends is in something horrible for everyone, and then we’ll probably be under the jackboot of something every bit as awful, just different.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T20:08:19+00:00

Yeah that’s what I was thinking as well.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T17:27:26+00:00

Yeah, I mean ideally there’d be neither anywhere. Or maybe it wouldn’t be banned but at least downvoted to hell, which really can’t happen here.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T17:11:33+00:00

White, I believe. Didn’t get that great of a look, though.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T16:51:23+00:00

It appears to be from the subreddit itself, oddly enough.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T16:18:39+00:00

Doesn’t help that there was legit holocaust denial shit on the front page when I was browsing through this morning.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T15:45:24+00:00

Just checked /r/polls and I’m not seeing it anymore.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T14:24:03+00:00

Not surprised. Did anyone get a look at the results right before it got banned?

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T14:15:00+00:00

I have to know, what was the comment?

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T12:51:25+00:00

Got a ban from PoliticalCompassMemes for saying “trans women are men, always” for five days yesterday. I know the feeling.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-23T12:24:12+00:00

Nice. What sub?

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-22T18:44:46+00:00

Thanks for the tips. Was already subscribed to /s/superstraight actually. Wish these subs were more active in general.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-22T17:38:22+00:00

Well said. My experience is a lot like yours. I’ve been pretty left-aligned throughout my adult life despite the madness.

I lurked on TIA occasionally starting in 2013 or so, but only became an active member in 2018. It made me feel like I wasn’t alone as all of my friends in our local arts scene started to slide into the worst type of woke ideology. I’m frankly not optimistic about SaidIt for a few reasons but I hope I’m wrong.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-22T16:22:53+00:00

Oh I know, but this was initially written for Reddit, and I had to consider my audience.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-22T15:02:02+00:00

I can see where you’re coming from, but I have very little interest in being some sort of martyr, especially one that can so easily be erased by the powers that be. I want woke ideology ended.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-22T03:46:04+00:00

Yeah but . . . this place is honestly rife with a lot of bullshit from the other side. It’ll just turn into an echo chamber, I think. What was nice about Tumblrinaction on Reddit was you got people from all sides and all backgrounds condemning that shit. Here? I really don’t think you do.

RuinedSpiral · 2022-06-21T18:48:48+00:00

Honestly crushed. That place helped me feel like I wasn’t going crazy.

RuinedSpiral · 2020-07-01T23:37:01+00:00

Says it’s banned from where I am. :(

RuinedSpiral · 2020-06-30T22:41:13+00:00

Oh it won’t last, for sure, but I’m wondering how much damage it’ll do in the meantime. This is the type of thing that leads to despotism and genocide.

RuinedSpiral · 2020-06-30T22:34:10+00:00

Well, I support free healthcare, drug legalization/an end to the drug war, a basic social safety net, public transportation, and civil liberties save for gender self-ID, which is harmful to just about everyone outside of a few select bad actors.

I was pretty active in my local punk rock/DIY music scene until the woke brigade ruined it. For my own well being, I can no longer tolerate being shamed, belittled and silenced because of my sex, sexual orientation and race by people who are supposed to be my friends.

RuinedSpiral · 2020-06-30T11:44:22+00:00

I like your username.

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