Interacial relationships are less stable by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

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I'd imagine this would vary quite a lot depending on the racial pairings

How do you reconcile your ethnostate dreams with the fact that half of young whites are pro-globalist or leftist by Zoomer1212 in debatealtright

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While it's true that he did worst with white men this time around, he still had 57% of the white vote (so more than Biden) and did better with white women as well. He did better with Blacks and Hispanics relative to 2016, ok, but what proportion of Blacks and Hispanics actually voted for him? I believe he received like less than 10% of the black vote, and probably something like 25% of the Asian vote. It makes no sense to say he lost because of white men ; if the nation had only been made up of white men he would've won handily, and if it was only made up of non-whites he would've suffered a crushing defeat.

Richard Spencer on the election by [deleted] in debatealtright

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Trump has reinvigorated support for white advocacy like no president has in a long time, and from that point of view he's been really good ; remember that the Alt-right grew along Trump's meteoric ascension to first the GOP's candidacy and then the presidency. The gamble that Spencer types are making is that Trump's lost will result in 1) Free stuff given to us by Democrats once they obtain the presidency so that they can gain legitimacy and 2) space for us to create a new movement more in-line with our ideas.

And really, I don't think think 1)'s going to happen and I certainly don't think 2) is possible to the degree that we could win an election. Unless Spencer is preparing a coup I have zero idea what he's hoping for. ''Trump hasn't stopped immigration!'' Yea? What the fuck do you think Biden's going to do if he gains the presidency? He's going to triple down all the shit that we think is bad.

A Response to Vaush’s Ultimate Research Document: Racism in the Criminal Justice System by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

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Nice

Richard Spencer in the news again, for endorsing Biden/disavowing Trump (x-post from Ruqqus) by DisgustResponse in debatealtright

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I cannot think of this as anything but a cope. Right-wing dissidents are losing so badly they are finding increasingly contrived ways of interpreting losses as victories. Democrats might be competent managers if you think shilling out even more money for BLM and diversity training constitutes good management.

I am a Russian tsar claimant AMA by [deleted] in debatealtright

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What do you hope to do now?

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Well the point about integration is that, as you know, Western countries, and esp. new world Western countries have accepted succeeding waves of immigration. The integration into general society of these immigrants is, presumably, important, because if individuals are not properly integrated society's health will suffer as a result. Now, if it was the case that an immigrant's race was a strong predictor of an individual's future integration, then trying to convince people that individuals who integrated successfully in part thanks to their specific race (say, race A) are in fact not of that race at all in order to convince people to accept immigrants from other races, would be a deceitful tactic, since it would make people think that being of race A does not contribute to an immigrant's ability to integrate, when in reality it would be a significant factor, and so this might convince people to accept large amount of immigrants of different races (say, race B, C,) who might not be able to integrate well at all in part because they are not of race A.

Now, regarding the definition of ''white'', I think you're making this more complex than it should be, and I suspect this might be because you've internalized leftist historiography of right wing racialist ideas (like when you mentionned that Irish are not white). Nobody here, I'm pretty sure, agrees with the ''one drop rule'' or think that if you're 1/18 white that suddenly makes you white. Clearly, if a thing is made up of two or more than two parts, for you to consider it mostly made of one part, that part would have to represent 50%+ of the thing, right? And ideally, something in the 70-80% range, correct? If you ordered a custom-made table, one half made out of birch wood and the other made out of oak wood, you would probably simply describe your table as half-oak and half-birch, but if it was 60% birch and 40% oak, you might be tempted to call it a birch table with a good portion of oak wood in it, and if it was 85% birch and 15% oak, you'd probably call it a birch table with some oak wood in it. So to be considered simply ''white'', you'd minimally have to be 50% white, and probably everyone would agree you were white if you were 85% white. There is some interpretative wiggle room here, but it's not much, clearly nobody can think of you as mostly white if you're 10% white, and basically nobody would consider you non-white if you were 90% white. So is Manuel Blum white? I don't know, we'd have to look at his ancestry, but looking at him, he seems to be mostly white, and so he probably is. Unless you have access to his genealogical record, or you think his physiognomy doesn't seem European (physiognomy is an imperfect proxy for racial classfication, but it works well enough), then you'd have to agree with me here.

''You haven't actually shown such a disparity''

In terms of scientific discoveries and inventions? Well, no, because to conclusively show that would be an herculean task, but I don't have to be held to such a standard in the context of this discussion. It's common knowledge that some places were hotbed of civilization and some places not so, that Europe shot past everyone else starting from 1500 (and according to Comin, Easterly, and Gong (2010), Europe was actually not lagging behind the Middle-East during the Middle-Ages) and that this resulted in a majority of today's inventions and scientific discoveries resulting from the work of white Europeans, simply because many more discoveries and inventions were made during 1500 to today than were made before that point, even if you added up everything up, at a time when Europe became world dominant.

Now I'm not too sure what this reply chain is about ; if it's about European contributions to science and technology, then it's basically uncontroversial to say that they're very important generally and especially so starting from the 1500s, where Europe became dominant, and I think you'd basically agree with me here.

If it's about what the alt-right thinks of race, you can read stuff from here http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com or here https://www.unz.com/jman/hbd-fundamentals/.

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''To get back to your original point… can you actually give an example of:''

That's not my original point, since as you can see, it was not my point, or my post, at all. However, a lot of things in use today are the creation of white people simply because a majority of human inventions were made past the 16th century when Europe shot ahead of the rest of the world. Murray's Human Accomplishments (2003) gives a good overview of this.

It does not follow that the Irish were not considered white because the KKK was anti-Irish, assuming that's even true. You can find caricatures of Italians and Irish people in old newspapers, but from this it does not follow that the Irish and Italians were not considered white. For one Italians and Irish were both allowed to immigrate in a time where only ''free white men'' were accepted. Furthermore, anti-miscegenation laws dit not apply to Irish and Italians. If they had been considered non-white, anti-miscegenation laws would have applied to them, but they didn't. Finally, contemporary cluster analysis place Irish and Italians firmly within the European (or white) cluster, so there's no basis to think of Irish (or Italians) as anything but white, either from a contemporary genetics standpoint or from a historical standpoint.

The ''Irish were not considered white'' is a meme propped up by leftist activists with the explicit intent of delegitimizing the white racial classification by making us think that people we consider white today were not considered white before, and so giving us the impression that the classification is heavily culturally loaded, and easy to change, when in reality, it's actually quite stable. The other intent is to use the successful integration of the now classified as non-white Irish and Italians as evidence that other non-white immigrants will be able to integrate successfully, which of course is no evidence at all, but is especially duplicitous when these activists themselves, in private, consider Irish and Italians to be white, and when they also know that pretty much everyone think of Irish and Italians as white. A short read on this subject, even though the author is a lefty : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/

''He was born in bloody Venezuela!!''

??? Lol. What do you think hispanics are? The populations of South America are mostly a mix of Amerindians, Europeans and Africans, some are more Amerindians, some are more Europeans, some are more Africans, and so on. Unless he's a full-blooded Amerindian or African, which he's clearly not, then he's white to some degree, and looking at him, it seems obvious to me he's mostly white if not fully white. I can't find any solid biographical info of him online, but signs points to him being mostly white, and certainly at least half-white.

''I'd be surprised if you can find more than ten examples''

Yea this is correct, many inventions and scientific discoveries today are the work of small and medium teams, teams mostly composed of Whites, Jews, Asians, Indians and occassionally mixed people and Middle-Eastern people and rarely, but sometimes, Africans. This changes nothing about the disparity in contributions between the races and between individuals.

This was not always true however, and many inventions and discoveries made between, say 1400 to 1800, were often the work of single individuals, many of whom were Europeans.

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Banū Mūsā (co-inventors of perhaps the first programmable machine)

No.

Ismail al-Jazari (inventor of the first programmable computer)

No.

Pāṇini (whose work on formalising Sanskrit linguistics formed the core principles of BNF

No.

Percy Ludgate is white. Manuel Blum is at least half-white.

Sure, for the rest. I'd gladly give you the list of white contributors, but it would be a little tiring to type out.

Chinese universities are pushing race mixing. by FoxySDT in debatealtright

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He has blocked me, copy-paste it.

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