Most trans children just going through a phase, advises NHS

Moutonelectrique · 2022-10-28T00:34:00+00:00

Mind fucking boggling. Great news, I dare say but...

About ten years ago, when I was at uni for my master's degree, we discussed the (then) upcoming DSM-5 and the changes regarding gender identity disorders, now gender dysphoria. One of the things the professor mentioned was the GID diagnosis was troublesome with children. Most didn't persist, of course the risk of comorbidity and, this was one the man emphasised, parents that preferred a trans kid instead of a gay kid.

This shouldn't be news, it was already fucking known. We have wasted kids' lives and resources for years while we already knew this.

Fucking hell. Better late then never but this was absolute bullshit to begin with.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-10-22T22:26:22+00:00

That's a lot of make-up skills and good lightning and all, but goddamn that voice.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-10-22T11:03:34+00:00

That's not a joke?

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-26T23:46:28+00:00

Well, welcome to the boring & uncool club.

Goddamn, I miss the days people were just emo, goth, punk and whatever the fuck not.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-23T08:58:13+00:00

Yeah, this is something I always struggled with to understand. While I do think asexuality or extreme low libidos exist, I don't think a 13 year old can know for sure. Most on tumblr were in that age range. Most of them seemed prepuberty and just scared, and wanting to belong to a group.

On the other hand, the current definition of asexuality is confusing as fuck as it turned in an umbrella thing thanks to tumblagh.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-20T22:08:16+00:00

What the everloving fuck? Slaps on the head, pouring coffee over him, pushing him on the ground... The man is 74 and walking with a cane. That's like slapping a wobbly three year old because the kid mIsGeNdErEd you... But that (or fantasies about it) also happens so this shouldn't even surprise me

No words for this. I hope he is well now. FFS the tides must turn, people can't keep pretending this is normal behaviour when it is right in public for all to see, right? (I know several horrific things happened to people protesting this and several transpeople committing crimes, but usually that's less public AND less like a mob).

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-20T13:14:06+00:00

Holy shit mate, what the hell happened there?

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-20T09:47:37+00:00

Oh NOW they're worried about mutilation!

The invasion flag is a goddamn eye sore.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-19T09:25:12+00:00

Yeah, same.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-19T09:20:47+00:00

Ah yeah, true. I'm from the genital police. My fiance waved his dick in my face and then I finally knew he was a dude. Before that I had no idea with his face, bone structure, chest hair, beard, voice...

Transpersons: stop fucking lying to yourself. It is not 'just genitals' that tell your sex. Cope and seeeeeethe!

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-17T10:14:09+00:00

Hahahaha! I hadn't even notice that but true!

What worries me the most is the normalisation of a teen secretly on hormones with an adult (but not the parents) knowing it on a show that has fuck all to do with this subject. When a kid sees that, it seems absolutely okay that happens. Nobody bats an eye. It was a sideplot of the episode, not the criminal thing.

Honestly, giving a teenager hrt and keep their parents in the dark sounds like the goddamn plot of a 90s Law & Order SVU episode. With Elliott getting all angry and punped up and shit because he has five kids and all.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-17T10:08:00+00:00

I do agree it is worrying, don't get me wrong there. But I still believe the fear mongering some fell into (like someone believing the FBI arrested Josh? That was fucking weird) doesn't help.

What has been a problem for years, is stupid journalists claiming something is nEwS when three people on twitter say something. It is absolutely insane how trans became trending to begin with.

KF still isn't down, it is wonky as fuck but it is still there, so is Ovarit, mumsnet, we... It's not easy or fun. But all the info is still out there and the tide seems so be so ever slowly turning.

That being said: I need to stay optimistic.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-12T23:28:26+00:00

Bunch of godawful power hungry morons.

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COCK. I get liking hot and bothered with a dude but every dude has a right to say 'No.'

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-12T23:06:35+00:00

Okay, I know it's Monday but I am annoyed and it's too stupid to make a thread.

I'm watching Hudson & Rex right now, a remake of Kommisar Rex, a show I loved as tiny Mouton. Anyway, this episode includes a teenage girl secretly transitioning because 'she is not like other girls'. This also includes a mom who was kept out of it (because mom is a girly girl) but 'always knew' because the girl 'heard of reincarnation when she was four and said she wanted to reincarnate as a boy' and 'she trained different than other girls. Boxing on her own instead of yoga in a group'. Of course the line 'Don't you want her to be her true self?' was uttered. (Strange because that would be misgendering, right?)

Real nice erasure of tomboy girls and reinforcing gender stereotypes here. And yeah, let's pretend it is AWESOME to let teenagers secretly get HRT and shit! No biggie, safe as fuck! I am mad at the internet now. I just wanted to watch a silly detective show with a dog, dudes. Not the goddamn normalisation of transing teenagers.

Fuck you, Canada, for ruining a very lovely light hearted Krimi with a dog.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-12T10:40:16+00:00

They really are getting more desperate by the minute, don't they?

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-11T22:57:56+00:00

Glad saidit is working again. I hope everybody here is doing great. :)

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-07T12:32:11+00:00

Yeah, I think we can survive. Let's face it, KF survived quite a bit and has less rules than for example us,. With that in mind, KF is seen as a far right nazi doxing forum and all very angry terrible people. Whether it is true or not, it doesn't matter: that's their public image and that doesn't help. It sells the story quite nicely that they are the underdog.

We, however, have don't have that image which makes it harder (not impossible but harder) to target us a very angry nazi's. On the other hand: sites known to have CSA material and god knows what else of horrific shit, are left alone. That's something to keep in mind.

If we can manage to be and stay civil (and I for instance could be a bit eh... nicer) and back up everything we say, we should be more or less fine. Archive things, show the world the evidence that was out in the open to begin with and they WISH would vanish (one thing I like about the old school forum style is that you can easily find things back).

Anyway, It might be difficult but not impossible. I do think we all need to keep a cool head.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-06T10:55:23+00:00

Perhaps it is just me as my own health is bitching a bit but I'm getting real tired of the fear mongering online. I've read that 'Josh might be arrested by the FBI' (What?), 'KF is definitely over', 'THEY WILL COME FOR US SOON', Panic, panic! P A N I C. KF is currently down as Null did something with the webserver but whatever, it worked on TOR and probably will soon because that man should sleep but doesn't. Josh, if you ever read this: What the fuck, man? Take care of your personal life first and get some fucking sleep. Regards, a liberal terf. Apparently. I don't even know.

Keffals/Fukkels/FAUXFARTMAN or one of his minions already said on twitter that fear is the best option. (Screenshot was on KF and I will not check twitter) Fear works. For them, not for us. Because underdog or something. I'm old enough to still think 'yeah, it is just the internet.' We are not really in the trenches being attacked with mustard gas, there's a whole goddamn world OFFLINE and with more urgent and pressing matters. We should be worried about kids getting groomed, the rapey rhetoric and what the fuck not, don't get me wrong there. There's a problem. We know that. We've known that for several years. But the full-on PANIC! mode is not helpful and seems more hysterical than your average RuPaul drag race episode.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-06T07:29:49+00:00

Josh is one determined weird fucker, so I don't think this the end of it. It's still online via TOR.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-05T10:21:54+00:00

Keffals and his sad little cult happened. While I disagree with a fuckton of things on KF, they've been very good in neatly putting all the evidence of several horrific trans identifying people and TRAs together. Bardfinn, thingie in the morning, that godafwul Irish Yeet the Teet butcher, Keffals...

Also, it seems Cloudflare used A DIFFERENT SITE as an argument to block KF, which is... Lolwhut? Anyway, KF is currently down again, the mirror I mean, and Null has a family emergency.

KF may fall (this sounds so incredibly stupid to begin with) but what Keffals and the cult doesn't realise, is that in itself is not a victory. Not only will similar sites appear and is most of the bullshit archived (bullshit they themselves posted online... Internet doesn't forget that easily), they will always fail offline. People still know your birth sexe, people are growing tired of the constant whining and bitching and cultlike behaviour and most people DO get outside and touch grass. Or pavement, whatever. TQ+ isn't that important for most people in their daily lives. They're fucking loud online but in the end: it's a rather small group. Most people have different things to worry about.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-03T23:15:04+00:00

Well fuck, now I have to wait longer to be up to date about the insane TRAs without actually having to use their twitter or reddit.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-09-01T13:55:19+00:00

Ah, he's joining Keffals in this much important battle?

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-30T08:40:24+00:00

I'm not so sure. The article mentions he doesn't feel secure enough to be with adult women. Surely, if based adult women didn't want him, he would cry about that?

I am worried this age thing is taken seriously. Just a few years ago, we had Emile Ratelband wanting to change his age from 69 to 49 because feefees. He was laughed at, as it should be. How idiotic Emile is (and he is!), he didn't claim he felt like a minor.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-30T00:11:46+00:00

Younger women at that. Because he ~feels~ like a fifteen year old because of ~magical hormones~

I miss the days we would just call it a pervert.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-29T12:48:50+00:00

Awh, I'll miss your contributions and your flair that is my live motto.

Best of luck!

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-27T12:54:48+00:00

Of course, because in current times we are not women but 'non men'. Only trans women are women and better than 'non men'

Or something like that. I have no idea how to keep up with them.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-27T12:46:17+00:00

I'm not your pal, friend.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-26T13:27:13+00:00

"Sister, we need to talk."

I am not your sister, buddy. And I will not get used to the 'transing out the gays' party line.

The more TRA articles I read (and boy, there were a lot of those during pride month) the more homophobia and gender stereotypes I tend to see between the lines.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-20T07:15:55+00:00

Wait, a line of women? As in the mother was the carrier of the gene and the daughter developed CAIS?

Regardless, DSDs should not be used as a gotcha by men in party wigs and programmer socks.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-19T21:10:18+00:00

Isn't that an extremely rare condition? Furthermore, I would be PISSED AS HELL if the TRA crowd would used something I had to live with as a gotcha.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-19T12:50:17+00:00

I laughed too damn hard. I wonder how many will go for the 'But I am actually intersex, bigot!' response.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-18T09:10:16+00:00

What an annoying smug face.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-17T15:23:29+00:00

True, the laws regarding alcohol are different here but the US has to the 21 years old rules!

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-17T13:50:22+00:00

Ah yes, amazing Planned Parenthood turned into puberty blocker and sex hormone dealers.

"only requirement is that you’re 18+" Stupid requirement if you ask me, but it's good that they try to help

Ah yes, because minors are known for making really wise and thought out decisions, and being capable of seeing the long term consequences.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-16T22:27:46+00:00

Yeah, as far as I can see, it is. However, Belgium is fucking weird and for an outsider hard to understand. I am not Belgian and I am often in a state of confusion. That being said, there is quite the language border. It could be Wallonie is just as polarised, you just don't really hear it in Flanders. Not to forget Ostbelgien, the German speaking part that some forget even exists. On the other hand, at least this news is fucking mentioned in some Wallon news outlets.

Edit: Jesus, I am talking a lot. Sorry!

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-16T19:35:43+00:00

Depends on the subject, Wallonie is usually more socialist and leftist compared to Flanders. Flanders has a far right party that is growing again steadily and a Flemish nationalist party that is more on the conservative side.

In Flanders, however, we have the Green party with a transgender minister and a transgender party member happily dancing in lingerie during the Pride last year or the year before. And of course we have to be in awe about how stunning and brave he is for that. So stunning, much brave. If I recall correctly, he also would like to have an uterus transplant as soon as possible.

I get not liking Verhofstadt but we can't really blame Flemish silence on him as he buggered off to Europe and is quiet in Flanders.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-16T13:13:28+00:00

Ah! Right. Yeah... That is still not the same as a real penis attached to a real dude.

But I suspect a lot of the comments are pure fiction, as usual.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-16T08:30:12+00:00

Oh wow, I thought by the title this was about those people with a clownfetish (I'm a basic bitch that is indeed scared of clowns so no fan), but no, it's the homophobic ftm crowd. I know there are some who consider the ftms as less dangerous as they are for some reason always my size or even smaller and I'm a fucking smurf, but I personally consider them just as terrible as mtfs. Yes, they are less likely to beat someone the fuck up, they are still gaslighting fuckwits playing psycho games.

Anyway, can anyone translate this for me?

I’m a top and ive been having sex with bi/pan/gay men for years. I can interchange my dick and im better at prostate stim than any cis man they’ve been with.

What?! Interchange your dick? And girl, you sound like the typical straight cis dude claiming he never had a girl faking an orgasm and they all came within five minutes. Doubts, lots of them.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-16T08:14:52+00:00

However, the Flemish part of Belgium is, as usually, VERY SILENT. A quick google search gives this persons instagram and facebook and some sites in French. Flanders is really balls deep into the TRA movement.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-13T08:24:03+00:00

Also, I would like to apologise if I sound more harsh then intended. This was one hell of a week and I'm currently sitting in a polyester bridesmaid dress during a heatwave. Brain is not fuctioning properly.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-13T08:02:56+00:00

I'm sorry but I'm going to agree to disagree. I don't think he is that unaware about who or what he really is.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-13T00:12:09+00:00

Nah, you said it better than me! Thanks, I was struggling to find the right words.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-13T00:10:28+00:00

Hear hear! I wouldn't be here if I could say in public that I see serious trouble in the current discourse without having to worry about my job, screaching people and other known fun stuff. For a very 'suppressed', 'underdog' group, they have managed to get an amazing amount of power.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-12T23:43:28+00:00

Ah yes, the 'we don't say that, those are trolls stirring shit' argument.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-12T23:24:35+00:00

I tend to disagree as I view them both as toxic and idiots. I don't understand the woman starting with the whole 'it was a great night!' shtick to immediately switch to 'yeah, no more'. That's one weird game to play and rather stupid if you want to go for the 'soft let down' to avoid arguing.

However, I have a hard time to see the transperson as less toxic: he keeps poking, no answer is good enough, he keeps referring to 'real lesbian sex' with his dick, throws the usual transphobia agrument in it and so on. What does he try to accomplish?

Don't get me wrong: the girl played a very stupid game, doesn't seem very nice, and indeed indifferent. He, however, keeps on nagging and whining because he is such a true and honest woman. From my perspective, the guilt tripping is just as toxic as I have had the unpleasant experience of dudes trying to guilt trip me into bed, in some cases including crying, after saying 'sorry, I don't see this work'. I am quite biased, I agree.

Thing is: girl doesn't want to do this anymore. The way she states it is perhaps cold and harsh, but no is rightfully no. He has every right to be sad and disappointed about the outcome, but the whole 'you don't see me as a woman' is absolutely pointless.

The girl is weird in her rejection. Just say you don't see it work/you don't feel the spark and leave it at that. Easier, no lies, no arguments, no cruel bashing, and everybody can usually move on rather nicely.

If anything, it is very good these two stop dating. That would become one hell of a shitshow.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-12T17:11:41+00:00

Hmm, true, that was my interpretation. Although I do still think there could be some confusion about the exact state of genitalia of the transperson.

I do think they are both idiots because dating is terrible enough and they've managed to make it even worse.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-12T13:37:33+00:00

I agree with you but the woman here did know the other person was a transwoman/trans woman (because apparently there is a very big difference...) but I suspect she didn't think it would be a very real functioning penis.

With all the lies of GRS results in a REAL vagina/dick or the weird as fuck 'soft, flacid uwu girldick'/very masculine 'fronthole', I could somewhat understand eh... confusion? I don't know. Most of us have read the horrifying stories of young lesbians girls feeling guilty of not wanting to be near their 'GF's 'girldick'. It boggles my mind some put themselves through that but I also grew up in a very different time. I'm not that ancient but goddamn, I feel like it.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-12T12:52:50+00:00

Wait, I think the lesbian girl expected a faux vagina like the 'real thing' or real 'girldick' with all the promised 'softness' and 'flacidness' (and I feel rather disgusting typing this out) instead of a FULLY FUNCTIONING PENIS. Yes, very different than a cis (fuck this term) woman. Those are not born with a FULLY FUNCTIONING PENIS.

My feeling aren't hurt at all, actually.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sure, personification of the bad 'I'm a lesbian in a man's body' joke.

Both are complete idiots. What the ever loving fuck do you expect of dating like this? The transperson is more delusional: "My having a dick is just another part of being human and it doesn't make my womanhood any less legitimate." IT IS A PART OF YOU BEING A DUDE. Also: having vaginismus, dude, kind of requires you having a VAGINA. I have no idea what this example is trying to point out but I will see this as pretty fucking stupid.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-12T10:16:36+00:00

Looks great! Well done!

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-10T10:48:54+00:00

Pretty much says outright he doesn't see you as a man.

Love, nobody sees you as a man. Because you are not a man and you know it.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-08T20:49:53+00:00

Oh hi Mark!

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-08T08:57:07+00:00

Ah yeah, that's also a thing. Dudebroking Paolo, with inevitable snapback, is together with a girl. Which of course is fine but in current times, it does feel a bit like gay erasure.

Anyway, apparently some are still angry because it's not good enough representation or whatever.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-07T22:40:59+00:00

Rather stupid but it just irked me. Mate was playing Far Cry 6, I was watching, and all of the sudden a NPC transman appears. If it would add anything to the story, fine but this just seemed stupid. Yeah, fighting dictators and shit while popping T and according to the fanwiki "Paolo underwent top surgery without any anesthetic and barely flinched". REALLY? THAT SOUNDS VERY DUMB. It could be it would have a point later in the story but I have doubts and I just don't give a fuck.

I was already kinda bored with the story of Far Cry 6 and after that character I decided to just watch The Orville. Also: it's pride month here and that godawful stupid invasion flag is every fucking where and lots of spicy straights are being incredibly spicy.

To quote the best worst movie of the 2000s and to be extra dramatic: "I'm fed up with this world!" - The Room

Moutonelectrique · 2022-08-01T21:41:30+00:00

What the actual fuck?

I have had occasional conversations about this in groups where I am out--where if you would call a cis man queen, girl, or sis, and you would avoid those terms markedly only on the basis that I am trans... that would be more indicative of you not truly seeing me as a man.

Newsflash ~~sugar~~ Dudebroking: we don't see you as a man. And this is 5D chess walking on eggshells.

Do trust me on this: people will grow tired of this, you will alienate people. Not because you are uwu-trans and not because you are straight/gay/bi, but because you always whine and bitch. You always find a reason to whine and bitch. You are always looking for the next reason to whine and bitch. It is never good enough. Take it from me: take care of yourself mentally because the longer you are on this negativity spree, the harder it gets to in the end enjoy anything at all.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-31T21:40:32+00:00

Ah, fuck. Big hug, love.

No tips, just be nice to yourself, talk to friends and try to do things you enjoy. This shit hurts.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-24T10:28:59+00:00

Ah yeah, that idiot. I've sperged on this on ovarit but I am angry enough so here we go:

She’s pointed to male characters in books and said she looks like them

Yeah, fuck you. You can look like someone regardless of sex. I look like my dad, he's a man, I am very much a woman. Same hair- and eye colour. I know this mom is batshit and the kid is probably copying what mommy dearest wants to hear, but on its own, it's a stupid argument. Ron Perlman looks like a Maine Coon. Is Ron Perlman a Maine Coon now? Are all Maine Coons Ron Perlman? THIS IS ALL DUMB.

This is all stupid and I feel deeply sorry for the kid.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-19T09:44:20+00:00

I do, but just like on reddit, i just skim the comments.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-18T07:56:50+00:00

I went to Tomorrowland. Quite fun, still don't understand why the toilets on festivals are always so incredibly disgusting. DON'T CLEAN YOUR ASS AGAINST THE WALLS OF THE STALL.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-12T10:56:18+00:00

To make it absolutely clear, I do not believe or think LGBs are all pedo's in disguise as I have seen some conservatives claim. Fuck that noise. If anything in this example, Amsterdam Pride and most people were quite clearly AGAINST it and told them to fuck off.

However, the Netherlands doesn't have the best track record, as I stated in my previous post, paedophiles have been trying to latch on the LGB movement for decades and were somewhat successful back in the 1970's. Current activists pretending it never happens is just false. It's easy to find out it already DID fucking happen.

Even if you agree paedophiles should get help, as I personally do believe (however, how to help is one big fucking mess as we still hardly know how to treat it), there's a big fucking difference between 'I need help' and '#Pedopride'.

Edit: again stupid mistakes. I need more coffee.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-12T10:25:07+00:00

Wow, you are working hard!

I don't think I should be added to s/LGB as I am not LGB and me being there would be a bit... Spicy Straight? :P

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-11T19:07:13+00:00

Dunno, very libfem? I'm out of the loop regarding feminist circles in the Netherlands. There was some backlash. Not nearly enough in my opinion.

Here's her twitter with a rather disturbing tweet (Roughly translated "Even a remotely feminist is in solidarity with paedophiles. Column in Het Parool [newspaper]" I am quite tired so it's hard to translate sorry) and a link to the specific column. https://mobile.twitter.com/lalalalinder/status/1159087813356347393

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-11T13:53:27+00:00

Ah, so we can't trust snopes anymore.

In the neighbouring country, The Netherlands, it is known that the paedophilia activists try to get BACK in. There already was some sort of acceptance in the 70s and early 80s (Here's a documentary, it is in Dutch but the accompanying text can be translated by google: https://anderetijden.nl/aflevering/205/Ruimte-voor-de-pedofiel ) . Then there's it was a bit quiet, we had some type of comeback with the organisation Martijn in the nillies becoming louder as they also tried to get into politics ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vereniging_Martijn and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Neighbourly_Love,_Freedom,_and_Diversity ) , and in 2019 Pride Amsterdam had some trouble with #Pedopride activists as Amsterdam Pride wasn't having it but some feminist, Linda Duits, was all 'awwwwh, they have a right to be who they are, the LGBTQ+ rights are just currently too fragile'.

This isn't unfortunately new and I'm getting real sick and tired of the 'that never happens' club. It DID happen in the Netherlands, that fucking political party mentioned above is apparently back, they are still around trying to make paedophilia INCLUDING relationships between adults and children acceptable. Fuck that noise.

Yes, I am a very angry woman.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-08T17:31:28+00:00

*Sigmund Freud enters the thread

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-08T13:47:50+00:00

"I can't sleep wanna play Mario Kart" Oh wait you meant doing the deed oh nvm I'm ace

Why? Why do some feel the need to show they are superspecial ace? C'mon, the thread is 18+, you can read the other responses, you know this was about sexy situations in the bedroom. I'm not one the 'ASEXUALITY DOESN'T EXIST!' people but these kind of responses always annoy me. It's like a dude responding on a favourite sex position thread on a lesbian board they like their dick suc... Oh, wait. That also is common occurence.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-06T09:32:35+00:00

Hahahahaha!

Fuck it, while Bette seems to back down, I don't think she really is. After using nitter, because twitter is as useless as that creepy ass Irish surgeon in Florida, Bette links to the NYT article and states basically she is not the big bad bigot the TRA's claim she is. The TRA crowd are big mad she doesn't say trans specifically.

But like a lot of people, Bette doesn't seem to know the transsexuals from back in the day are not the same as the dudes with spinny dresses and programmer socks/the tiny dudebrokings with a weird fixation on fantasy male gay relationships today.

I hope this whole thing will peak other people who hardly know any of current day transpeople. They are fucking everywhere online but even I hardly bump into one offline so I kind off get that.

Edit: creepy ass, not creepy as

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-05T20:04:51+00:00

Well, I have to take that back. Macy Gray retracted as far as I can find on her twitter but Bette's still standing.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-07-05T10:04:19+00:00

While Bette Midler may retract her tweet, Macy Gray is on fire.

I am optimistic enough to think TRA's are starting to realise their peak is behind them. I want to believe.

Edit: I do wonder... Will the TRA crowd try to cancel Hocus Pocus 2?

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-30T21:38:05+00:00

Awesome!

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-30T08:55:19+00:00

It has kind of toddler tv music? It's really fucking weird as the one I watched is a person piching en stretching the faux penis skin.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-29T12:19:30+00:00

So did I. On a rather big screen. I was not prepared for that. And stupid me decided to click play on the clip.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-29T12:15:58+00:00

I sure as fuck hope this is the usual fantasy wonderland, because that seems like rape by deception.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-28T11:17:38+00:00

@MarkJefferson: YAS QUEEEEEEEN! 👑👑👑

I'm sorry.

Anyway I agree with the most of you. The only thing I am a bit meeh about is the bullying as it remains quite vague what is seen as bullying. I don't know, pointing out some rather illogical things isn't bullying in my book. But with the downfall of Roe v. Wade I have read some real nasty stuff, both from the TRA side as the rightwing/religious right etc, so I probably have different boundaries. This sub is quite mild in my opinion.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-28T10:53:11+00:00

No, I feel like reading someone's fantasy.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-27T02:13:04+00:00

Never underestimate the stupidity of horny people. Or lack of knowledge. Or the thought they can't get a std because they are from a good family and have a degree.

Anyway, I know that some people don't have a clue how nasty the side effects of hormonal contraceptives can be. I am aware of the phrase "not my job to educate you!" but sometimes you really do need to tell people

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-26T10:44:19+00:00

This is a quite common problem in straight relationships. The genderwoowoo about dysphoria is... well just that. I get the dude not wanting a vasectomy but at the same time refusing condoms and putting it all on her is a dickmove. Hormonal contraceptives can be a bitch and worse. TMI but after ten years of trying several hormonal contraceptives, it was decided I best not try it anymore and go for copper and/or condoms.

However, I wonder whether they really had an adult conversation. Enough straight blokes think the pill works against STDs so yeah...

Anyway, this is spicy straight galore.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-26T00:28:17+00:00

Ah ok, yeah I do think this would be the best option, but it will be a fuckton of work and perhaps too much. I am unfortunately not a programmer/tech savvy one.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-25T08:33:08+00:00

Not sure whether my opinion is wanted as only an ally but I think this route is the best option, especially with help from known members with experience. As I understand, it would be something like ovarit but with the emphasis in LGB and dropping the t.

Ovarit is quite active, more than saidit, and an offsite might be easier for other LGBs to find and feel safe. You will never be able to rule out trolls but I suspect it would be easier to kick them out. I don't know, perhaps sone organisations like LGB alliance could be helpful?

Whatever you decide, I admire the work you all do and have done, and when wanted I will follow.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-24T10:16:22+00:00

Same, it wasn't perfect in the 90s and 00s, but it was way better than the shit it is now.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-23T18:32:23+00:00

Because you tried the change the definition of lesbian but it doesn't really work like that.

Also, let's face it. You hardly have to disclose shit in real life because after five minutes, people know you're a bloke. But usually you remain in your online echo chambers and are completely out of touch with the real world. You're a sad man.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-23T18:26:10+00:00

This is fucked up on several levels. I can't stop adults being delusional but why on earth would you drag your kids into this and tell them what they're sexual orientation supposed to be? Forget the horseshoe, this is full circle.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-22T07:26:57+00:00

Ah that shit again. Women never struggle with 'passing' as women. We ARE women. Women struggle with unrealistic beauty standards, pressure from society in every direction and often contradictory, upbringing may play a part, et cetera.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-21T19:59:59+00:00

In the end, it's all just a ploy to guilt people into fucking them. And I'm afraid it might even sometimes work with the younger crowd. I've seen reddit posts from very young lesbian girls feeling guilty, bad and horrible because they weren't attracted to their male "GF" dick.

What a fucking time to be alive. I'm old enough to grow up with 'No is a full sentence', 'you are not obliged to fuck anyone' and so on. And look at what the ever loving fuck we have now.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-21T19:18:36+00:00

"I am feel uncomfortable when we are not about my penis, lesbians?"

And this...

Also people use “preference” when what they mean is “requirement”. Like when given the option between cake and pie I have a preference for cake, but if there’s only pie I won’t say no to that.

There is so much wrong, sad and pathetic about this statement. But I'm a fucking radical and when I want cake, I'll eat cake or I don't eat at all, and most certainly I won't eat a rotten pie with mold.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-21T18:59:26+00:00

I'm kind of surprised it took this long. The ban hammer was floating over that sub for a long time.

Perhaps the sub on saidit will become more active.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-21T10:39:15+00:00

AAAAAAH!

Also... Eh? Cows are female by definition? Shouldn't you be a steer or an ox? But they can't be milked. I am extremely confused with your fetish, mate. Also: fuck you for making me think about this and regret the fact I have somewhat working eyes.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-20T16:03:33+00:00

I am dummy, I meant s/getthetout

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-19T14:13:07+00:00

I guess the other sub getthetout got some of the activity as people couldn't post here. But at the same time: it isn't really active either.

Edit: I'm stupid with subnames. -_-

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-19T09:14:52+00:00

Dude has a lot of selfhate, I guess. I can imagine it is damn tiring for the LGB community.

What boggles me is the inability to see THEY are the ones throwing GNC people under the bus. They are the ones driving us right back to the gender stereotypes. I for one am not telling a young dude liking glitters and pink he must be a girl, so he needs to get on the puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and have horrendous experimental surgery. Or vice versa.

Fuck it, this is infuriating.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-18T09:55:06+00:00

It all depends on the circumstances and the impact of the relationship, things you've been through together and so on. I've fucked around after break-ups, I've had months not interested in romantic partners whatsoever, I've jumped into new relationships rather quickly, I've taken things really slowly. I've done it all and often switched as plan a didn't seem to work.

I'm afraid that answer isn't really helpful. But in this case I probably be just honest with the new woman. She might decide to not go further, she might decide to take it slow with you. You don't need to be a couple instantly, you can just date each other and get to know eachother better and see where it goes.

This sounds super Captain Obvious, sorry about that, English isn't my native language. Big hug.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-17T18:01:54+00:00

yeah whenever people refer to men as dicks and women as vaginas (even nonbinary people!!) i just view it as a very big red flag to stay away from them.

Yes, please do stay away. I dare say most of us would very much like that.

I get started filling up a tight little bottom Daddi won't stop til you beg me the right way! So that person is just missing out on what could be one of the best sexual experiences he ever had. His loss hun, not yours. Just keep moving along and don't let that shit phase you. You can't cure ignorance

By all means, I am not a gay man but that just doesn't sound appealing. At all. I have also no idea with what exactly you, 'daddi', are going to fill up 'a tight little bottom' as most phallo's look like they can be easily ripped off. I'm not even bitching here, I've seen multiple phalloplasties on picture and they usually look awfully pale and kind of weak?

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-17T17:18:58+00:00

Hahaha, no sorry love, I'm a very bland straight woman and not married yet! I should mention (as is fair) I'm perhaps returning back to ovarit as I've seen some positive changes but perhaps not as it's still invite only and I am in a lot of things way too liberal.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-15T22:54:09+00:00

"Yeasty sweet tangerines"

I have no words and I feel the need to shower again.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-15T09:34:08+00:00

Alright, will do!

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-14T06:47:23+00:00

Ah, I will try it later on this week.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-14T06:41:03+00:00

Ah yes, time for the infighting to begin.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-14T06:34:42+00:00

That's odd. I used to post (more comment really) there as well but I figured they weren't interested in allies anymore. But that couldn't be the reason in your case.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-13T19:18:11+00:00

I did but no response. Don't get me wrong, I am only a lgb ally and when not wanted, that's ok. Not every space is for everybody.

Edit: stupid spelling mistakes

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-13T19:15:23+00:00

They are and worse: they get away with it. For some reason, black women and disabled women are, according to current times, the same as transwomen. I've seen libfem companies retweeting those sentiments, all to be a good girl transally. It is ridiculous: a black woman is a woman, a disabled woman is a woman, a transwoman is a trans identifying MALE.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-13T12:37:18+00:00

I haven't been able to get in. I have some idea what happened but I didn't see it unfold live.

Still a bit sad about it, I liked the discussions there.

Moutonelectrique · 2022-06-12T21:10:48+00:00

Think about this.

No.

Any sexuality other than pansexual is cissexist, transphobic and shallow.

Hahahaha! Sure it is. Holy shit, these people are desperate to get laid. Guilting people into dating you, what a sad, sad life.

Also, nice touch of racism there, fucker:

If you're willing to lower your standards and date a black woman [...]

Not only sad, mad and desperate but also truly disgusting.

Moutonelectrique