Feeling guilt by Skipdip in GenderCritical

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For me being gender critical and not believing in trans ideology isn't so much about whether gender dysphoria is innate or natural. I have no problem believing that some people suffer from it and are happier presenting as the other gender. Whether they are born with it or it's due to social contagion or a mixture of both I can't say for sure. However, being male or female is still a matter of biology as much as your skin color, hair color or whatever else is coded in your DNA is. What I'm sceptical of is the claim that sex is somehow the only biological catagory where the concept that people are born in a wrong body is valid and the only course of action is to alter your body accordingly. Transitioning to another race for example is completely unacceptable and I've seen people claiming to feel like they belong to another race made fun of. The same goes for people with Body Integrity disorder (a mental condition where people want to be amputees, they refer to themselves as transabled). Let's see what wikipedia has to say about treatment for BID: “There is no evidence-based treatment for BID; there are reports of the use of cognitive behavioral therapy and antidepressants.“ Somehow no one is denying these people's existence or literally killing them by denying their wish to mutilate their bodies and live as their “authentic self“. Even though they would actually become amputees if we applied the same treatment as we did with gender dysphoria and therefore they wouldn't have to force people to believe they were actual amputees. And don't get me started on trans species which is becoming more acceptable than people wanting to get rid of their limbs? It's all completely arbitrary and it sounds highly illogical to me that one person claiming to be born in the wrong body should be believed and supported while the other is made fun of when both are solely based on feelings that are not verifiable parameters in reality.

Now, let's assume some people indeed are born in the wrong body and accept that the best course of action is to let them transition. Why does believing that one can help these people by letting them transition necessarily mean that one must also believe that trans people are really and have always been the sex they claim to be? Because that's what I have a massive problem with - forcing others to share their belief that they actually can change sex and become the other sex and are no different from the sex they claim to be. I can verify whether someone is male or female because it is a biological reality whereas the other is only a mental reality of some people. Why does the mental reality of some people believing they really are the opposite sex trump biological reality? Why am I considered hateful and transphobic if I don't share their belief and pretend that our realities are not only completely the same but also support the erasure of my sex in everything that is related to female biology. And why is no one concerned with renaming men as ejaculators and penis-havers, why are only females and female spaces targeted? Furthermore, the sex segregated spaces we have are exactly that - sex segregated because it makes sense in terms of anatomy and biology. Abolishing these spaces in order to come off as politically correct should not be more important than protecting the people for whom they were made and who need them.

I think GC people don't have a problem with trans people but the ideology that comes with it that is misogynistic and based on outdated gender roles. I've grown really tired of people claiming their desire for wearing pink tutus is as much evidence of their womanhood as women menstruating or giving birth and therefore they should be included in spaces that are dedicated to functions of the female bodies (breastfeeding groups etc.)

Also, I am not an expert but have been very interested in the Lakota from an early age and I just want to add that a winkte was never considered a woman. They had a completely seperate role from women and no woman could have ever become a winkte and vice versa. So it's not really the same thing as being a trans woman today because no one forced anyone to believe that winktes were actually women.

Bangladesh updating inheritance laws for trans, but only if you are born male. by Happy_face_caller in PinkPillFeminism

[–]Metis 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What I find equally infuriating is that they opened a school for trans women while most girls there get little to no education and are mostly married off as children. Disgusting.

I just finished watching "Diana: In Her Own Words," a documentary on Netflix by babalonsCup in PinkPillFeminism

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The timing of your post is really funny because even though I am completely against monarchism and therefore pay no attention to royals whatsoever, I've been watching a lot of Diana documentaries for the past week or so after a random youtube suggestion. While I was still a child when she died, I can now completely understand why so many people were fascinated by her and took an immense liking to her back then because I feel the same way in 2020. The qualities I value most in other people are kindness and empathy and she radiates both and it seems so genuine. Futhermore, I like how she broke royal protocol and showed so much strength and bravery in her defiance of the “establishment“ as she called it. It's a shame that she spent so much time trying (and succeeding) to make other people happy with her work for charities while she never got to experience much happiness herself and never really stood a chance of being in an emotionally fulfilling relationship with her husband. A really admirable woman and can I also add that I love her voice and listening to her. I think she could have had a positive influence on many more societal issues if she had got to live longer. What are your thoughts on her accident? Do you believe it was an inside job?

Germany is the next battle field by Camberian in GenderCritical

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I've noticed a surge in trans topics in German media recently but I'm still shocked to see this. After I peaked a couple of years ago, none of my friends had ever heard of the TRA lingo we now see everywhere in anglosaxon countries because until now I felt like that the gender craze hadn't fully reached the German speaking countries. My bf can't still wrap his head around the idea that some people believe that men can actually become women and all of my friends in RL are terfs without even knowing it. It seems like a sound mind will initially disagree that transwomen are women until you indoctrinate the youth, create echo chambers for TRAs on all major websites and basically censor all dissenting opinions. They know that the general public would not stand for the idea to trans children or that a court could overrule parental consent on that matter so they are going to have to pass this law in secret.

Seems like a lot has happened while I was away! by Backwiththecritique in GenderCritical

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That's something I keep thinking about and it quite upsets me tbh. While I really appreciate to have these spaces online and would love to finally get to join ovarit, they are very much niche websites I feel no one without a preceding interest in the topic will ever find. I found the gender critical community because a guy (as in a "cis" male) lectured me on r/feminism about the dangers of terfs and since I could relate to the articles he posted and described as "terfy", I googled terf and found r/GC. If there is no visible dissent on huge websites like reddit, I feel like people who could relate to a gender critical viewpoint will never know that they could join this movement to fight TRA ideology or even that there is a movement at all. I wish there was a way we could contact all of the 60k subscribers on reddit to redirect them to ovarit and saidit or at least make ovarit the top result when someone googles the meaning of terf. Getting banned from Reddit was a huge setback for the gender critical community in my eyes and I completely agree with you that we need to find a way to organise to also remain visible on mainstream websites.

Women getting banned from saidit too by Maeven in GenderCritical

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I would love to get a code as well! I tried to get one on a GC group on fb but they told me I needed to write to the ovarit account on twitter. Unfortunately, I don't have twitter and I really really don't want to join twittter so if anyone could send me a code, I'd very much appreciate it! Thanks!

Archived version of GC by solarseparatist in GenderCritical

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Why not post it here instead? We should make this community as active as possible.