OMG JK Rowling's on a roll!!! Now that they've crucified her, she really really letting it all out. This one had me spitting my coffee.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-12T14:22:26+00:00

Joke's on them. Hers is real menstrual blood.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-12T13:55:07+00:00

I sincerely hope they start going after straight men. I hope their Twitter Mob will start going batshit crazy to make it a movement to demand straight men to stop their "transphobia" in their dating pool, the way they've been going after lesbians, women, and JK Rowling. Hell, I hope they start demanding Daniel Radcliff publicly admit that he would date and marry a transwoman. I hope they'll enforce silence on straight men who dare to say otherwise, and threaten to cancel them and report them to their employers if they dare to say no. Then, and maybe then, this insanity will finally stop.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-21T15:33:50+00:00

Her sales remained strong even when the whole thing broke out. When they went at her after her Twitter posts, I was checking her Amazon sales ranking and she remained on the top of the Amazon Chart. Like, Harry Potter 1 was No.1 on the chart even on the day this whole thing broke out. Also, Amazon has perfected their system to stop one-star review attacks after Hillary Clinton's book came out a few years ago. I noticed that none of JKR's books had been attacked by Operation One-Star Bomb by the mob.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T03:53:41+00:00

I'm emotional? LOL. If my straightforward comment is "emotional" and I need meds, then everyone ranting and losing their marbles everyday on the front page would need to be committed to an insane asylum.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-23T00:05:12+00:00

You should see him mansplain to women how to land a "good guy". A bunch of nonsense like keeping your hair long, learn how to cook, and your intelligence is irrelevant. I was this close to cutting my hair short after seeing his dumb tweet.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-22T18:16:19+00:00

That's Zuby. For someone as highly educated as he is, he is really tone deaf to women's issues and has a lot of sexist views. Annoying as hell. I'd give him credit for not being afraid to speak out against Woke issues, and he does try to think critically about his beliefs, even though his critical thinking still doesn't lead to enlightenment when it comes to the subject of women. And he does have a good point that his rap content are very wholesome comparing to the edgy stuff out there, yet somehow he's the bad guy in that.

His weightlifting stunt here isn't to defend women, but to show that women are always inferior.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-08T17:59:08+00:00

There's no way to attach an image right? I put the Tweet link in the title.

ETA: Can I also just say that I want to give a huge hand to Emerson Spartz for his relentless support? He's been defending her like a warrior. Damn HE should've played HP, not that deluded little twit Daniel Radcliff.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:44:40+00:00

Honey, if you gave, then obviously the OP is not talking about you.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:43:53+00:00

If you're under a lot of financial constraint then obviously you can't do more. But I'm looking at the subs appearing on the front page and many of them have 2k+ members. All of these people are going broke to the point that they can't spare $5? Whatever. I don't believe it.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:38:20+00:00

Magnora7 is running this site entirely by himself. It's a lot of work and I'm sure he has work and a life to tend to too and can't think of everything. Please go to s/Saidit and make this suggestion.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:35:12+00:00

So make a suggestion to Magnora7 in s/Saddit. If you know of other good platforms, why not help and let him know?

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:34:22+00:00

So, if everyone refuses to donate because the "other" side would flood the site anyway, then this site is doomed to fail. If the 2000+ users on here would all contribute just a little each, maybe Magnora7 will be able to pay a few people to enforce the pyramid of debate??

Or everyone can just sit here and bitch, and when Magnora7 runs out of funds, or can't see why he should be the only one making the effort, this site will close down and we'll still be left with nothing but Reddit.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-11T18:44:34+00:00

Her having experienced sexism is no excuse for all her nonsense. Her not being able to leave her house on her 18th birthday is the kind of things that has happened to all child stars and celebrity regardless of male or female so that's not sexism. Same with Pedophiles photoshopping.

She's a full-grown adult now. If she has suffered sexism, but still she's going to keep up her blind contribution to more discrimination and sufferings of women less fortunate than her, then I can make fun of her for her moronic handmaidenry and wokeness. God forbid she gets made fun of. OMG did we hurt her feelings? Let us not forget to coddle millionaire handmaidens in case their fragile feelings get hurt.

But more likely she wouldn't give a shit what people are saying here. And she doesn't have to either because she's privileged enough to never have to care.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-24T02:02:31+00:00

Just go here and leave us all alone: s/antipornography. Or go back to Reddit

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-04T14:27:49+00:00

It's like the abusive husband who beat the shit out of you then buys you a dozen flowers and tell you he'll be better from now on. Fuck that shit.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-04T05:47:40+00:00

Yep. They can say TWAW all they want but until they date sleep with a TIM, they have no credibility and I don't give a shit what they say. Daniel Radcliff can STFU until he gets himself a TIM girlfriend.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T22:59:10+00:00

OK Boomer!

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T03:57:46+00:00

And yet you're here.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T03:56:01+00:00

I don't disagree. Wikipedia flashes their CTA for donations every three months it seems. He ought to o the same.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T02:12:32+00:00

I can see your point about pyramid of debate but I don't agree at all with nsfw content. Not because I have issues with nsfw, but because a site having specific purposes as to subject is not in and of itself censorship. If a magazine is a food & dining magazine, it's not censorship if it doesn't contain articles bout cars and automobiles. This site's rule is no porn. In and of itself it is not censorship if that type of content is not covered by the mission of the site.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:48:09+00:00

You're right there's no guarantee. However, I also think maybe Magnora7 running the site solo may be why he can't enforce it. He's one person, he can only do so much in 24 hrs a day. Maybe every mod of a sub should take it upon themselves to enforce the pyramid of debate, and all those who don't follow it would have their low value comments removed? There probably should be a serious discussion about this.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:41:27+00:00

Suggest this to him (Magnora7) on s/Saidit please. He's one person running this whole site. Maybe he doesn't know about it. I've never heard to Subscribestar before.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:40:12+00:00

Hordes of people are without jobs, soon to be living out their cars supporting free restrooms, never mind the speech.

Ok, so s/WatchSaiditDie then? Suit yourselves. Whatever.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:28:27+00:00

Again, no matter how "independent" business operators are, Cancel Culture is the shitty thing in the shitty world we're living now, and all businesses are at risk of being cancelled. Magnora7 is trying to build a site that cannot be cancelled, which is why it runs on no ads. Do any of you actually read and find out what this site is about when you join???

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-11T18:50:39+00:00

What censoring? There's not censoring except in specific-purpose subs that are limited from being shown on the front page. And stop passing the buck like this is all woke folks' fault. There are more alt_right here than woke. Neither camp, or anything in between, is doing squat to support this site, as there are thousands of members in subs but 27---27!--patron donors. Everyone's talking a good talk but they're all just letting Magnora7 fight the fight alone in the swamp. Totally disappointing.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-11T18:35:45+00:00

Saidit is not a start up. It's not a business and that's the whole point of this site. I'm sure Magnora7 can do a whole lot better money wise if this was a start up and he can get ads revenue, investors, or what have you. But then if that happens, you people would no longer have your free speech, and then you'll all bitch about companies being woke and not letting you speak. Since none of you would put your money where your mouth is, maybe that's actually what you all deserve.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-11T18:33:06+00:00

IDK what you're talking about. I don't have a Patreon channel. I'm just a private individual. Even if I do, what does that have to do with people donating to Magnora7? He's the site admin. I don't know him. I only started using this site 2 months ago. Why don't you help him out instead of making sarcastic remarks to deflect from the subject?

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-11T17:11:51+00:00

Here's the article to cite Ms. Watson's quote: https://unherd.com/thepost/emma-watsons-neoliberal-nonsense/

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-23T00:03:11+00:00

He did, because he thinks women are inferior. He kind of implied that a man beating women, even record setting women, means nothing because even he, someone who didn't regularly exercise, could do it.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-20T19:14:41+00:00

IDK if there's any tag function on this site. The site admin plus some old users had been telling everyone ad nauseum that the best way to stop this is to post more other interesting stuff, like dog pictures and hobbies and the likes, so to make this place a platform of diverse interests and the cultural attack posts and racists posts would be drowned out. Somehow it's been futile.

For us the best thing would be that when we see lunatic extremist posts, do not engage. Just move on. If they're cultural attack posts, then we're adding to the problem and potentially helping to deplatform ourselves. If they're real extremists, then it's a waste of our time to talk to them anyway.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-20T19:08:06+00:00

I agree with you generally. However, I really hate it today how the Outrage Machine keeps threatening boycotts to force companies to toe their line. That's very different from charitable donations and giving or not giving to a cause. Threatening boycotts today is another form of cancel culture and I really hate it because nowadays it's usually about something stupid, superficial, and cosmetic, that doesn't even make any real difference.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-20T17:01:42+00:00

I just checked out the Saidit Patreon page. It only has 21 patrons. Looks like magnora7's target goal is $350/mo and right now at Patreon he reached $206. He does accept cryptocurrency so maybe that supplements his goal. Still it's pretty bad there are only 21 patrons. Part of me wish there's a way to donate without also contributing to help racists sounding off. But then this place is also serving free speech and free association, a cause I deeply believe in, not to mention it's where this sub is right now. Definitely living in crazytown right now.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-20T15:54:14+00:00

Magnora7, are you aware that the search function is now not working? If I don't login, I can't access subs.

Thanks so much BTW for all your work, your calm in face of all these, and your reasoned voice.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-10T21:41:22+00:00

Unfortunately it's their playground and they make the rules. No legal recourse. But they're pushing so many people out now, and the shitty platform is so male dominated, other sites like this one will likely become bigger as people look for places to go without having to suffer brain rot.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-07T18:01:46+00:00

She didn't disappoint me because I realized long ago, before Woke and Trans Craze, that her book was crap. So here's my story: I read The Handmaid's Tale back when I was in my twenties in the mid 90s. I was very much a self-proclaimed feminist back then, and I bought into all the fear mongering in that book. I thought the book was amazing. Fast forward to when I was in my early forties. I picked it up again and I couldn't even get past the first few chapters. Firstly, it was actually very badly written. Also, every character was one dimensional caricatures. Maybe it's because I also grew older and have seen the world more, her portrayal of the conservatives in North America completely lack nuances. Yes of course there are a lot of ways conservative politics and culture are bad for women. But hers was such a simplistic cardboard view the conservative right that even for me who lean liberal find it laughable. So as literature, it's just garbage. I also think she wrote this book as reflective of the evangelical climate of the 1990s, so the feel of the book was very dated to me when reading it many years later.

When the TV series came out, I couldn't even bother to watch it. I just couldn't stomach the fear mongering in the book itself.

There was one thing that bothered me throughout though, from when I first read it in my twenties and then later in my forties. There was a part where she had some Japanese women tourists visiting Gilead, and the Japanese women were all free and blissfully ignorant of the oppression of the white women in Gilead. That part is totally fucked up. Japan is a wonderful country, but as far as women's rights and equality go it is so far behind. For Atwood to portray Japanese women this way is just insulting to both Japanese women and North American women. It's completely blind to what life for Japanese women is like and the sexism they face, while idealizing a foreign culture in a way that is actually condescending, as some white liberals do. This part, really, was woke before Woke.

So yeah, I'm not disappointed. I hadn't bought into her bullshit for years.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-04T05:43:16+00:00

The standard-issue assholes would even make themselves useful once in a while like fix the car or household appliances or something. The wokebros can't do squat because they're so woke they don't know how to or won't do anything around the house except maybe trim their beards so the women in their lives have to do everything. Meanwhile they're no less misogynistic.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-03T03:50:51+00:00

I think you need to add a definition for "girl dick". 😜 Most Saidit users and people who haven't been exposed to the gender debate probably heard of it.

On a more serious note, maybe add definitions for TIM, TIF, Cotton Ceiling??

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-02T01:57:47+00:00

That's exactly the stupid Democrats' problem. With all the fuck ups this year, all the Dems have to do is sit back and let Trump self-destruct. Biden can run like Weekend and Bernie's and still come out ahead. But no, they have to do all this shit because they can't help showing they're holier than thou. So they are incensing Trump's base when they might have otherwise sit out the vote. Plus, the more people feel silenced, the more they want to speak. And if they can't speak anywhere, they'll make sure to speak at the voting booth. This was what happened in 2016 and they didn't learn at all. Keep doing this shit and they're going to hand the White House right back to that asshole.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-06-30T03:53:40+00:00

I came from GC too. Only posted a few times. Usually just lurk. Think I'm going to make myself at home here. Nice to see you all again.

Lilith_Fair · 2021-03-07T00:22:23+00:00

Just PM'd you.

Lilith_Fair · 2021-03-03T04:56:30+00:00

I usually only lurk here but I feel compelled to suggest: Is it possible to bypass the school and file a complaint with the police? If anything, you can have something on record. Police can't play politics like the school might.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-10-19T15:06:14+00:00

Come join us at Ovarit.com. I'll PM you with how to join if you want.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T15:33:37+00:00

I'm not sure about that. The SA population is too small, or maybe nonexistent, to make a difference in the swing states that will determine the vote. However flawed she is as the representative for the black voters, she was chosen as a symbolic nod to pander to the black vote. Also, they might be thinking she'll do a good job in the traditional VP role of an attack dog. And here I must say, when the VP candidate is a woman, the VP as attack dog strategy doesn't work and more than likely will backfire. But despite that strategy keeps failing, for some reason the campaign experts can't see that.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T14:58:59+00:00

No you are the cunt for your low brow post. This sub is called "Whatever" in case you are lost. I'm not e-begging as I don't own this site. Future donors my ass. Admit it, you're never gonna donate so my supposed "arrogance" is just your flimsy excuse. If someone has any intent to donate, and all it takes is one rando user like me to "repulse" them, then they're poor excuses for free speech defenders.

Go. Be repulsed. Go scream into the vacuum of your basement when there's nowhere left for you to rant.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T13:23:23+00:00

The whole Democratic establishment toe this line. It's why I'm politically homeless.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T13:22:22+00:00

Is there any truth to the rumor that she had an affair with a married man? If she did then I'm further disappointed and I will never trust her. I can never understand any woman who betrays another woman this way. If the man is attached to another woman, don't touch. It's that simple.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T12:05:00+00:00

I'm just telling it like it is and calling bullshit where I see it. If you're honest with yourself you'll admit no amount of defending on my part will change your opinion. Defending an idea never changes anyone's opinion.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T12:01:28+00:00

Defending an idea does not equal I have to change your mind. No one ever changes their mind because someone else proffers different take.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T11:57:28+00:00

Didn't that already happen? Jessica Yaniv?

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T11:56:16+00:00

Well in Boston these naive idiots just bailed out a rapist and the rapist raped again while out on bail. But hey rapists are really oppressed marginalized people! 🤷

ETA: Corrected to say this happened in Boston, not Seattle. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/06/metro/sex-offender-just-set-free-by-mass-bail-fund-is-charged-with-new-violent-rape/

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T11:53:59+00:00

I feel bad for the gal but maybe this will finally peak her and the video to peak a lot more people too.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T11:21:18+00:00

Yeah crypto is too far out there for most people. It would be nice to see an ELI5 front page post on how it works for once instead of the same old same old rants, if someone who understands it would explain.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T11:16:02+00:00

I think you know exactly the point I've been trying to make. But yeah, make a joke, whatever. There'll be no speech left soon unless it is authorized by the Twitter mob or the Reddit Patrol.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T11:11:56+00:00

That's the way I look at it. Supporting this site doesn't mean supporting the individual views within it. I support the Constitution but it doesn't mean I support all the ways people act and behave under it.

A lot of things said on here are repulsive but is the alternative better? At the rate things are going, alternative frightens and repulses me way more and I guess that's the reason why I'm still here.

I won't support policing of speech on this site or any other site actually trying to maintain the principle of free speech. But I don't think this site will last. Fundamentally people everywhere care more about their pet issues than upholding free speech (and that includes those flooding the front page as well as those disgusted by it, and all the sheeples happily posting in non-political subreddits because "it doesn't affect them".

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T10:42:58+00:00

Well there's that too. Like Joe Rogan said it's 2010 and everyone's going boinkers

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T10:39:02+00:00

Because most people don't own bitcoin. i actually would love to know more how it works but don't have time to figure it out. I suspect most people busy with life and families probably think the same, or feel it's too esoteric to be interested to learn about it.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T10:32:54+00:00

I don't remotely think I have any answer, let alone the true answer. I for one don't know what the answer is. I find the rampant speech policing in our society horrible, and the emergence of Cancel Culture is horrifying. So here are people who experienced the consequences of that or people purporting to care about free speech, but it all turn out to be a sham.

I don't see people buying Saidit mugs and shirts when they won't donate a few bucks. And like you said, with the jewdemic going on here few are going to want to own anything with a logo associated with this site. But at the least you'd think those infected by antisemitism or whatever extremism would shell out some money. But then again it's probably a good thing they won't as it shows they won't do anything beyond talk.

Edit; typos

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T10:19:30+00:00

The Wokes can say the same. And what you said doesn't change the fact that it's pathetic for all those coming here to carry on endlessly about "free speech" or tell others they don't agree with to go away or go back to reddit because "free speech". So much talk about free speech but it's all talk and hot air, nothing more.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T10:13:54+00:00

Yes, sadly so true.

ETA: That's why we can't have nice things. These days I often think maybe we deserve the awful world and leaders we got.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T02:06:14+00:00

It's not up to me to change your opinion. I'm just another user here. Plus, my post wasn't targeted at you specifically. As far as I see it, all the extremists you can't stand ought to contribute too if they're gonna come and bitch everyday. Never mind policing or following the intended use of this site. They flood the site but they can't even contribute a dime to enable themselves to yap apparently.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:29:48+00:00

Good point. Just added. Thanks.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-08-12T01:26:10+00:00

No I will not fuck off because this is seriously a problem, and it exposes the hypocrisy of the thousands of users here. Saidit does not have a "channel". It's not a podcast, so I don't know how he's supposed to run ads. Moreover, did you even read about this site when you started posting here? This site was started to not let corporate interest impact free speech! Once a platform depends on corporate funding, then corporations can make the users toe the line or threaten to withdraw ads and support. This site starts to run ads, and it'll be just like Reddit and every other place that has to bend at the knee to Cancel Culture. Maybe I didn't understand what you were saying, but you aren't even understanding what this site is fundamentally trying to do.

ETA: BTW, I apologize that I misunderstood your comment. It just annoyed the fuck out of me to see people here bitch every day, and then see almost all of them not even lifting a pinky to stand behind what they say.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-31T13:36:05+00:00

BTW, I don't think this "friend" is attracted to OP, at least not in a healthy way. Men or women, when they're attracted to someone, they don't try to creep them out. They genuinely want the person to like them back. Only creeps creep on people like that. It's not attraction, it's a power play and sexual harassment.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-31T13:32:36+00:00

True. Women simply don't creep like that. But OTOH, if a woman says something like this to any guy, probably the guy would be like "Oh Yes! So probably if a woman ever behaves this way toward a guy, guys wouldn't think it's creepy behavior? Agree though that no woman Or girl ever behave this way toward each other.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-31T05:15:30+00:00

Ok not exactly "realistic" as she was an alien but Moogie (Ishka) of Star Trek:DS9. She single-handedly became the mastermind behind the Ferengi Empire, ruled by the most sexist race of male humanoid in the entire galaxy. She then brought down the whole patriarchy and made female equal. That woman rocked!

Captain Janeway was awesome too. Oh and don't forget the Borg Queen.

Dana Scully in X Files. Gillian Anderson is great. She kicked ass in The Fall too.

Ryan Stone (Sandra Bullock) in Gravity.

Julianna Crane in Man in High Castle.

Ulana Khomyuk in Chernobyl.

Ones I could think of so far . . .

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-31T04:03:34+00:00

Men who are just friends don't do this either. I'm straight and I had a lot of platonic guy friends when I was in college and in my 20s. Sometimes we'd sleep over at each other's places after a late night out or share rooms when we went on trips (young and on budget). We were all just friends and they would not do say this kind of creepy things to me ever.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-30T17:19:04+00:00

Isn't this a legal IP violation unless they have license to sell HP related products? I hope Disney go after them.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-30T17:15:41+00:00

I sent a PM and asked for a code yesterday, but haven't heard back. Can I have one please?

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-28T18:15:53+00:00

Whatever. He's a comedian, and Titania is fictional construct. We all really need to stop getting news from comedians.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-28T18:09:19+00:00

The woman in the video is not a real person. It's Titania McGrath and this is a comedy act. IDK know OP said she's a radical feminist. She's fictional wokester. On her twitter page she describes herself as "Activist. Healer. Radical intersectionalist poet. Selfless and brave." You all please stop taking this seriously.

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-28T14:46:35+00:00

Andrew Doyle is not right-wing. He's a liberal. He doesn't like Woke and Woke speech policing so he's been trolling them with Titania McGrath and Jarvis Dupont. The Titania and Jarvis Twitter pages are actually pretty funny. Every time they tweet, it'll either rile up some Wokebros who don't know they're parody tweets, or it'll peak someone. I'm glad he's there.

ETA: Jarvis Dupont is Titania's fictional TIM roommate. He sometimes writes for the Spectator.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-25T01:53:38+00:00

In all fairness he was saying men should not be in women's sports because it isn't a men's space. But he also thinks that because he has no respect for women in sports as he thinks women are inferior.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-23T20:42:11+00:00

Reddit today have mainly incels and males who are socially awkward. I'M not doing NAMALT here. What I'm trying to say s that Reddit, Twitter, Tumblr, etc., have really become spaces for certain specific types of people, and stuff on there are not reflective of the normies and regular peope. Reading what these incelly types post on Reddit will only going to give you brain damage and lot of frustrations, and is not good for our mental health.

It's really a shame because I remember what Reddit once used to be. It wasn't like this when Reddit started. People there used to be normal. Now it's just mostly shitty men, Wokebros, and "cool girls".

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-23T19:43:20+00:00

He thinks HE's a good guy and he tweeted descriptions of the kind of women he wants

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-23T02:34:09+00:00

Religious rights argue that every woman belonging to a certain religion must be allowed to present as submissive etc. as she (or her family) desires,

This is the one of the biggest gaslighting of all time. Women: "We have the right to have our rights taken away."

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-23T02:32:32+00:00

It is not religious freedom since women are forced to wear burqas or else face corporal punishment. Unless you think we shouldn't infringe on the religious freedom of men to control and physically punish women.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-22T18:25:59+00:00

It's another manifestation of cancel culture. Put enough one-star reviews on a book, movie, or show, and other people will believe the product is so bad, they won't buy it anymore. That's the purpose.

ETA: Never mind, my mistake. You said Goodreads, not Amazon. Goodreads can be pretty awful. A few years ago there were some people there who made it a sport to target authors for bullying. They'd one-star authors and leave bad reviews they want to pick on just to get a reaction from the author. If the author can't help by respond, the mob would jump in and pile on. There was a Guardian article about it. Bizarre and eye-opening. I think that's stopped though.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/oct/18/am-i-being-catfished-an-author-confronts-her-number-one-online-critic

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-22T18:21:05+00:00

They've long since abandoned the working class. The working class don't get all the campus woke speaks, woke ideologies, and PC culture. A lot of them are cultural conservatives (oh the horror!). If anything, they've been at war with the working class because "those people are uneducated and stupid."

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-22T13:38:59+00:00

Hope this problem can be resolved soon. Wish we could help.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-22T11:42:27+00:00

It is suspicious because Saidit is currently under a False Flag attack and a DDOS Attack ended just the day before yesterday.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-21T18:36:10+00:00

What you said still doesn't answer the question of who sets the rules? Who sets the boundaries? How far the boundaries are acceptable?

You said there can be no free speech for everyone without some form of censorship, which you describe as rules and boundaries, or else the bullies and trolls take over. From what I'm seeing though, the bullies and trolls have succeeded actually in places like Reddit, Twitter, etc that did exactly what you said. Here on saidit, there are some seriously crazy antisemitic and racist posts, but TBH I don't find them bullying. I find them disgusting and abhorrent for sure, but none of these loons did anything to shut down anyone who disagree. Crazy enough they actually want to debate people. If you check out what they posted here, you'll find they want to engage you in a conversation. If anyone has too much time and want to talk to them for kicks, they can. It'd probably be better time spent going to the insane asylum and talk to someone there. Bottom line is, none of them (At least the crazy ones on this site) have even remotely tried to shame people who disagree with them, call them evil, tried to destroy the livelihood of people they disagree with, or ostracize them openly. None of them had brigaded us or anyone else. They're many horrible things for the views they hold, but they in fact are not bullies as far as on this site is concerned. If other people won't join the site, it's not because these loons are bullying them out. It's simply because they can't stomach seeing such horrible speech.

As for trolls, you can deal with them like trolls on any site. Ignore them. If everyone ignore them, they'll stop. (unless it's a coordinated False Flag cultural attack).

So as regard to this site, what you're really saying is that the users with horrible views should be somewhat censored so that more other people with more correct views can come and speak. What that sounds like is that the bullying is actually to be done on people with wrong views, not the other way around. Let's stop the loons from talking so better people can come and take up more space.

Look, I have the same concerns as you. I don't know the solution either. But there are fallacies in the options you suggested. Now that I've been on this site for a few weeks, what I realized is that there are just loons with no power sprouting nonsense. They dominate the front page because no one is starting and engaging in conversations on other topics. And there are options for rules and boundaries because we have utilized those to exclude them specifically. Those rules are what keep us off the front page. Otherwise, just check the upvote numbers and long strings of arguments. I guarantee you our posts here would be flooding the front page and this site would look like a GC site.

Edit: typo

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-21T16:41:50+00:00

I think Peloton did lose all their Xmas sales because of that dumb commercial. It was a stupid commercial but at the end of the day, I'm not sure the punishment fit the crime, so to speak. After all, their losses had no real impact on gender stereotype of societal pressure on women's bodies.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-21T15:37:33+00:00

IDK. I checked out the sub and it doesn't look like it's flooded by posts like this. I can't even find these posts without the links in the OP. All the posts are just gaybros talking about gayer stuff. Maybe they just don't go as hard against men no matter what.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-21T15:28:51+00:00

I don't disagree. I was thinking yesterday how even 5 years ago I saw quite a bit of pushback with people repeating the famous quote "I don't agree with what you said, but I'll defend to death your right to say it". I've noticed these last 3 years no one really say that anymore. Probably because it's proven to fall on deaf ears. Really sad. OTOH, if one is to say "I'll defend to death your right to say it", I guess $5/mo donation to Patreon, comparing to death, isn't all that much to give.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-21T15:25:44+00:00

I think personal boycotts based on ideals are fine but the whole group outrage of 'if you don't boycott X company you're evil and needed to be cancelled' thing is ridiculous.

Cancel culture is millions of individuals who do not know how to cope with people they dislike, all making individual choices to harass, boycott, doxx, petition, and write letters.

I think you're both correct. On the one hand personal boycotts as a personal choice is not actually cancel culture. OTOH, these personal choices become a collective now because of fucking Twitter. Twitter continuously create outrages to rally a mob for this or that. So while the choices are personal, normally in the past these choices wouldn't have been made in the first place. Once the mob gets loud enough, all the corporations fold and bend at the knee.

Of course in a free society people should be able to boycott companies by their personal choices. In a sane world, boycotts are for when a company is dumping toxic chemicals into the river. In a world where Twitter is the arbiter of morality, companies get threats of boycott when a lowly hourly employee at one store out of the company's 500 stores nationwide does or say something that a shrill group of people on Twitter decides is offensive. Or worse, what the one lowly employee did or said is taken totally out of context or misconstrued. It's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous when the mob threatens boycott if the head of a company voices support for the "wrong" party or politician. Why should hundreds of workers and employees who are just working to feed their families suddenly have their livelihoods threatened because I disagree with their CEO's politics? 99% of the time when people take jobs, they have no clue about the top management's politics. Most will never even meet the executive management. Should people only take jobs now if the entire company's management have "correct" views and opinions? What about people who live in places where the company is the largest jobs provider in the area? The whole thing is insane and out of hand.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-21T15:11:07+00:00

True. I think most GC subs are only here for this sub and maybe some sister subs. I was talking more about the discussions of the other users of Saidit. They've been telling those new users--the ones who are here for free speech--to make the discussions on the platform more diverse in subjects.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-21T15:07:01+00:00

Problem is who is the authority to decide which ones are trolls, bullies, liars, etc? Reddit apparently decided the WE are the trolls, bullied and liars. Because no one can truly be a just arbiter, the best option is still to have open platform free for all so someone can counter argue. Magnora7 has set this place up to try to avoid right wing extremist takeover. (ie no downvote, no ads, the pyramid of debate) Maybe his model can be further perfected?

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-20T18:58:09+00:00

No offense taken. However, I don't think that withholding donation is equivalent to me having power to disallow whose idea is ok or deny anyone power. Certainly donations from any source would help. But whether I'm a donor or not, I personally have no power one way or another to allow or disallow anyone on this platform. Moreover, no one is even required to ever make donation of any kind, even for causes or organizations they value. The fact that there are only 21 patrons to this site reflects that. Thousands of people are here right now, rent free. I don't think I should be singled out to be someone who must overcome something I'm not comfortable with to give financial support. How I or anyone decide to give donations should be entirely up to the person doing the giving. If it was a tax, a law, or an issue of business boycott, that'd be another matter IMO.

ETA: Notwithstanding what I said here, I'm glad to see your call for everyone to help contribute. Magnora7 appears to be a very reasonable person giving a lot to try to do something good. I think he can really use as much support a he can get.

Lilith_Fair · 2020-07-20T14:30:06+00:00

I just want to add a message of support. It saddens me to hear that detrans is ruining your life. Please remember that your life doesn't need to (and shouldn't have to) evolved around whether you're trans or detrans. In fact, the whole gender identity is stupid. You're a whole person. Why define yourself by gender anyway? Gender is not even remotely interesting. Try to move beyond that and explore your other interests or develop skills at something you're good at. Join those communities and meet new people, online or IRL, who share those interests. Leave behind friends who can't accept you and make new ones. Family--that one is hard, and I don't even understand. Do they want you to be someone reliant on hormones for life? As for the person you love, that one is tough too, but it happens sometimes. Even people who are married get divorced. But know that when one path ends, you'd be on a new path. You will be ok. This too shall pass. Your personhood need not be defined by whether you're a man or woman or living the lifestyle set by some ridiculous gender stereotype. You're defined by what you do, what goals you pursue in life for yourself, what you bring to your community, and a whole lot more beyond that.

Lilith_Fair