Making a brief blurb of the leftist religion

Klondike · 2021-09-15T00:24:00+00:00

No, it's a strength in general. If you have an organization (a team, a company, a country...) where everyone thinks the same way and just yes-mans each other, you won't find optimal solutions to problems.

for example, the left being bankrolled by TPTB

🙄

Let's not pretend the right isn't also bankrolled by them and to an even larger degree.

Klondike · 2021-09-14T17:57:06+00:00

It's not even a coherent ideology; it doesn't have its own foundational texts, holy books or primary documents.

You write this as if it's a bad thing? Diversity of thought and experience is a strength.

Klondike · 2021-09-14T17:34:15+00:00

That article seems to be mainly whining about race and gender on the newer shows.

Klondike · 2020-09-02T16:03:11+00:00

I have not heard of the walkaway movement, so I googled it. According to Wikipedia, it's about leaving the Democratic party, not progressivism; and also it's an astroturfed campaign by Russian bots. So "conspiracy"-ish? I guess?

Your point about immigrant competition in the labor market is interesting. I'll have to look into that some more, but my gut reactions: * The economy is not a zero-sum game. Is this competition actually removing opportunities from those with limited means? * Are immigrants actually making careers in these fields? How long do they do it for? In my personal experience, roofers and landscapers are always white guys. * Is there actually a realistic path for entrepreneurship here? The day laborers might be immigrants, but I expect that the actual business owners are white, and the business has been passed down generationally.

Certainly something worth looking into, and not something I've seen discussed.

But omg the TPP. You are 100% right on that. That was such a strange experience, seeing everyone on Reddit completely turn around, seemingly overnight. It certainly felt artificial and astroturfed. NPR also had a pushed campaign supporting it all of a sudden. But this may be due to the separation between progressives and the Democratic Party, which is much more corporatist.

Identity politics...now it's my turn to call "projection!" Republicans are all about the party line and purity tests. "RINO", anyone? And it's not about the argument, it's about who says it. See, for example, the sharp change in Republican voters' views on Russia and Vladimir Putin after Trump won the nomination. To identify as a Republican you must embrace it wholeheartedly or else be a traitor to the party.

Klondike · 2020-09-01T21:04:05+00:00

1) Again, the Left isn't a team, this isn't fucking sports. And I'm not giving you specifics because I've played this game before. You'll latch onto some minor inaccuracy in what I say and claim it invalidates the broader argument and shift the goalposts. I told you, read the report and try to argue against it directly; that might actually be impressive.

And before you try to say that you've actually been arguing in good faith, note that you asked me for the claims of the Mueller Report, and then later admitted to already knowing what they were! You are just playing games and being dishonest. Surprise fucking surprise.

2) Dude, again, that's not how the No True Scotsman fallacy works. It would be one thing if I said "you can't actually be a progressive because you don't support gun control" or some other detail of policy or positions. But the Venn diagram of progressive ideas and Trumpism is pretty much two separate circles. But you claim to not have changed and that the Left has moved around you? No, you just never knew what the ideology was about in the first place, and with each post you make that more obvious.

3) Ah, we've reached the "accusal of projection" part of the script. You deviated quite a bit at the beginning, and I thought maybe this conversation might actually go somewhere! But alas, now we're right back on track. Good day.

Klondike · 2020-09-01T19:53:46+00:00

1) Because it's so ridiculous? It's not like Trump claims to be libertarian.

2) Umm..no? What are you even talking about.

2a) Lol, I think you are misunderstanding the Scotsman. A more equivalent analogy would be:

You: "I used to be a Scotsman, but then I realized I was actually Welsh."

Me: "Then you weren't a Scotsman."

Anyway, this has gone completely off the rails so I'm thinking you're just trolling. Goodbye.

Klondike · 2020-09-01T18:26:48+00:00

1) ...What? Are you joking? Trump is clearly and openly AuthRight. Part of his appeal is his "strongman" personality; his supporters like that aspect. The authoritarianism is a feature, not a bug.

2) I'm aware of Scotsman, and no that's not what's happening here. You claimed that you stopped being a progressive because "it's all bullshitters"--so you're saying you switched because of people. But in doing so, your personal ideology switched from LibLeft* to AuthRight? You completely 180'd on your principles? That's very hard to believe, so it's more likely that you never subscribed to the ideology in the first place and were just claiming to be on "the team," before realizing it didn't jive with your views. Which is fine.

*Yes, I'm aware that some in AuthLeft also claim the label "progressive." If we were diving into that, then we could play Scotsman. But we're not, and the point still stands.

Klondike · 2020-09-01T03:02:00+00:00

You are absolutely right. I do hold you in contempt, and I'm not interested in having a discussion.

As I told you, I've been down this road before, and it's never worth it. If you want to try to prove otherwise, go ahead and put the work in. If you don't, then fuck it, it's no loss to me.

As for the Messiah comment, my experience with Trump supporters has been one of three situations: a) they don't really pay attention to politics or news and just read stuff on Facebook; b) they absolutely worship him as members of his cult; or c) they are completely fucking retarded. You're too articulate to be C and it certainly seems like you pay attention. But maybe I assumed wrong.

And I still hold that you were never a progressive. A progressive cannot switch to authoritarianism so easily, and further would not do so simply because they were unhappy with their "team mates"--it's not about winning, it's about principles.

Klondike · 2020-08-31T20:02:59+00:00

Cute, but like I told you, I've played this game before. I'm not going to bother trying to summarize the report for you, because then you'll just attack my summary and claim it as a "win." Mueller is a smarter guy than me and so if you're going to try to pick something apart, you can try against his words.

Read the report and maybe you'll see that Trump isn't the Messiah you think he is.

I've never met someone who has actually read the report (the actual thing, not some fucking Breitbart Cliff's notes) and came away still thinking that Trump cares about America.

And yes, you absolutely are the problem, and no, you were never a progressive.

Klondike · 2020-08-31T15:33:29+00:00

Even if it's ruled self-defense and all charges dropped, I don't think we should consider him a hero. He's a stupid kid who was trying to play GI Joe and valued property over his own life and the lives of others. This flavor of gungho firearms ownership is not something we should be encouraging.

Klondike · 2020-08-31T15:29:40+00:00

Again, I would encourage you to read it.

Klondike · 2020-08-31T15:29:15+00:00

Lost what? You never provided any evidence of your claims. But sure, assert away.

Klondike · 2020-08-30T16:34:35+00:00

This is what I'm taking about. I ask "can you see the forest?" And you say "show me a tree." If you want to try to chop them down one by one, go ahead. It sounds like you're starting with impeachment--fine. But you may want to read the Mueller Report before doing so.

Klondike · 2020-08-30T16:31:39+00:00

You should report that other guy for willingness to let people die.

Klondike · 2020-08-30T05:29:27+00:00

Heh, ok. Maybe when Covid is over you could come to one of the cities for a visit and see for yourself.

Klondike · 2020-08-30T05:25:56+00:00

When the truth is right in front of you and you claim not to see it, the only thing I can assume is that you are being disingenuous. How can I possibly grant legitimacy to lunacy?

The "fissure" of which you speak is that one side cares more about "winning" and "owning the libs" than FACTS.

And you absolutely should be shunned for being proud of your ignorance. You and "your side" care more about pride than truth and it will destroy this country, while you simultaneously blame the other side for not taking better care of you.

But it's no use arguing. I've tried many times. You simply won't listen and refuse to open your eyes to reality. You choose the easy propaganda that makes you feel good, and will twist any argument that doesn't fit until you feel that you've won. Because winning is the only thing that's important to you.

It's a mindset I truly can't understand. The closest thing I have to describe it is a "cult", but calling it that will surely twist your panties. Yet there's no other word for it as far as I can tell.

And yes it is a huge problem. Good on you for recognizing it as such, but as is typical, you've misplaced the blame... Purposely? Knowingly? Maliciously? Perhaps, and perhaps you are someone bad.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T20:42:52+00:00

1) there's no way Rittenberg knew any of that at the time. You can't just shoot people and then after the fact go "good thing he was kinda a dirtbag." The only way it would be relevant is if the defense were to argue "Rosenberg never would've done such a thing!" which seems unlikely.

2) I'm having a hard time buying that. I admit I'm no expert on laws pertaining to open carry (because doing so is fucking dumb, you are pre-escalating the situation before it's even begun, why advertise that you are armed?), but if you can claim a fear for your life because someone is running toward you, that seems simply ridiculous.

5) There's a video out there somewhere (I can no longer find the link on Reddit) that's a compilation of people's cell phone videos. It shows him getting up after the attack with the crowd running from him. He turns toward the crowd and appears to be aiming in their direction (his back is to the camera). There's the sound of quite a few gunshots. So like I said, someone else said it wasn't him shooting, and maybe that's the case. But I guess it's up to investigators and the justice system now.

6)

Nope it's not but police brutality is dealt with in a court of law.

Ok but that's like the point, it's NOT. How many times have we heard that the cops simply got reprimanded with paid leave? How many get fired but then later reinstated quietly? How many times do we have to hear "oops, lost the bodycam footage"? When a cop actually gets charged, it's an outlier, and nevermind an actual conviction. For some reason, the "good cops" are all too eager to protect "bad cops".

The system is corrupt to it's core and needs major reform. Police need to be held accountable for their actions. Should they have to hesitate before pulling the trigger and think "Is what I'm doing illegal?" Abso-fucking-lutely.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T19:57:10+00:00

Dude the Senate trial was a sham and you know it. Don't even try to play that game.

Not sure why people act so smug that "See? My president got away with it" as if it's a fucking good thing. This isn't the Stanley Cup, you don't get a trophy.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T16:16:18+00:00

1) Rosenberg isn't the one on trial.

2) But you could just always say that. It sounds like the "it's coming right for us!" defense from South Park.

4) where did you find those? I wouldn't mind reading.

5) He didn't hit anyone spraying into the crowd, but even if you fear for your life you are not allowed to do that.

6) I mean, it's not like police brutality is anything new...

Klondike · 2020-08-29T14:49:33+00:00

Maybe this varies from state to state, but "menacing" is not sufficient; he has to be afraid for his LIFE.

1) irrelevant, Rittenberg did not know he was a felon at the time.

2) this doesn't make sense to me... Wouldn't anyone open-carrying be able to make the same argument?

3) Don't fire warning shots, people. It's stupid.

4) Where did you find this? In the video I've seen, this is not visible.

5) After getting up from the attack. I agree that those shots were self defense, but I'm talking about after he got up and the crowd dispersed. Although another Saidit user asserts that it was not him firing, so maybe that's the case.

6) Nothing I can really disagree with there, but just remember how we got on this situation: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

As for pepper spray, I'll keep that in mind...

Klondike · 2020-08-29T14:32:00+00:00

Did pistol guy shoot? I read that he had a pistol on his person, but haven't heard that he actually fired it.

The sounds of gunshots are after Rittenberg gets up and turns to face the retreating crowd.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T14:26:15+00:00

"False charges"? Uhhhh

Anyway he wasn't convicted by the Senate, because Republicans control the Senate.

And Trump still won't control the cities if he wins November so I'm not sure what the point is.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T14:21:02+00:00

Yeah that didn't happen.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T04:22:42+00:00

You're just jealous of the beauty of American cities.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T03:47:52+00:00

Rosenberg being aggressive does not give him the authority to shoot him. He has to argue he was in fear for his life. Which maybe he was, I can't really tell from the video. But people seem to think you can use a gun for whatever you want. That's not the case; carry pepper spray, people.

He flees the scene of the first shooting though--a mistake on his part. Presumably the crowd thought he was running from the scene of a crime and that's why they chased him. Also after the second and third victims were hit, which is after he got back up from the skateboard attack, he fires indiscriminately into the crowd, even though they were far away from him at this point. Also a no-no.

I doubt murder will stick but something lesser probably will. He was definitely not an ideal responsible gun owner here.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T03:35:48+00:00

How do you figure? Republicans already control the government.

Klondike · 2020-08-29T03:24:02+00:00

It doesn't look like he attacked him in the video. Following him threateningly and taunting him? Yes. but that is not a threat to life, so it doesn't justify shooting.

But the video is filmed from rather far away so maybe there's more to it.

Klondike · 2020-08-28T19:13:07+00:00

Was this guy one of the ones chasing him though? This was the first shooting.

Klondike · 2020-08-28T14:09:35+00:00

Did they attack him? Or did they feel threatened? Was he brandishing?

Edit: alright I watched the video. He definitely fucked up by firing indiscriminately into the crowd, but was definitely attacked at one point. So it's not as cut and dry as they are making it out to be.

Klondike · 2020-08-28T14:02:24+00:00

Does Venezuela rank high for freedoms?

Klondike · 2020-08-27T23:33:25+00:00

Guess that's all it takes to justify murder! What a relief!

Klondike · 2020-08-27T23:32:44+00:00

Oh? And where does the driving across state lines with an illegally-carried weapon come in to that defense?

Klondike · 2020-08-27T23:31:12+00:00

Close enough.

Klondike · 2020-08-27T23:26:15+00:00

Fascism is not a great state and never can be. Always prefer freedom.

Klondike · 2020-08-27T23:24:32+00:00

Maybe some, but nowhere near the cult that Trump has. Not even close.

Klondike · 2020-08-27T15:32:03+00:00

I don't really understand the request for it to be a "new and unique virus". And I'm not sure anyone has ever claimed that; it's a particular strain of coronavirus, one that's more potent than its brethren.

Klondike · 2020-08-27T15:25:22+00:00

So why would we emulate their behavior, if that's the case?

Klondike · 2020-08-27T15:23:08+00:00

Hi, I'm your neighbor, and I don't like that you don't mow your lawn short enough. I'll report you to the stasi for being a communist sympathizer, and then we'll never see you again. :)

Klondike · 2020-08-27T15:21:29+00:00

It was absolutely not a thing during Obama's tenure. What are you talking about.

Klondike · 2020-08-27T04:38:19+00:00

No it doesn't. San Francisco is a beautiful city. I will surely visit again when Covid is over.

You're the one making an outrageous claim, so it's on you to provide evidence and proof.

Klondike · 2020-08-27T04:35:48+00:00

It's wild how much time this guy has devoted to thinking about what married gay men do in their bedroom.

Klondike · 2020-08-27T04:32:52+00:00

I'm tired of alt-rightards and Nazis taking over all the free speech places.

Klondike · 2020-08-27T04:31:52+00:00

But you're saying the US should become a shithole as well? Or at least emulate the behavior of shit holes? Why?

Klondike · 2020-08-26T22:43:59+00:00

I guess it just seems...inefficient? Convoluted? And with a lot of unnecessary deaths.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T22:43:01+00:00

Thanks

Klondike · 2020-08-26T22:41:32+00:00

So what would be the purpose of setting him up as a fall guy if it didn't have the intended effect?

Klondike · 2020-08-26T22:40:57+00:00

It really is. I'm not sure why I bother.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T22:39:43+00:00

What are you saying? Other countries are shit holes so the US should try to be like them?

???

Klondike · 2020-08-26T20:20:25+00:00

Lol is that the bar now?

Klondike · 2020-08-26T20:20:05+00:00

Who are you? Are you also a selfish prick?

Klondike · 2020-08-26T20:19:10+00:00

Ok, my point was Hilary doesn't hand out communist brochures. Hers are pictures of Wall St that make it look like the Las Vegas strip.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T20:17:27+00:00

Yeah, that stuff about San Fran is straight BS, for one, and for two, global warming isn't California's fault, and it's just absurd to try to blame them for it. This whole thing makes no sense and is really just liberal-hate porn.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T17:42:14+00:00

"covileaks", cute.

Edit: and none of these are the "thousands" of other cases you promised.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T16:52:50+00:00

Fuck you.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T16:51:47+00:00

Blaming California for global warming? Well that's a hot take.

Also is he sure he visited San Francisco? "Don't park on the street because windows will be smashed"? Lol, more like you'll never find an empty parking spot on the street!

I get the feeling this guy rarely leaves his mom's basement.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T16:44:53+00:00

Nope. Hilary is a corporatist through and through.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T16:43:25+00:00

But...no he's not? Wtf is Paul talking about

Klondike · 2020-08-26T16:42:34+00:00

How is denying someone's rights not a significant difference?

Klondike · 2020-08-26T15:43:28+00:00

His supporters don't see him as a fall guy though?

Klondike · 2020-08-26T15:42:46+00:00

The Cabal already controls the world's supply of gold. How exactly does fucking up a pandemic give them more power?

Klondike · 2020-08-26T15:40:53+00:00

And I know people who have gotten sick, so I guess our anecdotes cancel each other out! 🙂

Klondike · 2020-08-26T15:39:12+00:00

So you'd rather undermine democracy with a fascist police-state? Jesus Christ.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T15:37:22+00:00

The right has established race as an in-group/out-group criterion, and then try to pretend it's actually not (ie "colorblindness"). So again, it's simply pointing this out.

Klondike · 2020-08-26T15:35:02+00:00

You ever see anyone wearing Biden hats or hanging huge Biden flags with campaign slogans off the side of their house?

Didn't think so.

The right has taken identity politics all the way to cult status.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T20:43:48+00:00

And you're the type who believes everything you see on YouTube, apparently...

Klondike · 2020-08-25T18:48:31+00:00

"hoax”? Those were children you fucking asshole.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T18:28:04+00:00

Sounds like fake news.

And there's a difference between being an sjw and thinking police shouldn't be allowed to murder people.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T16:47:21+00:00

The right is obsessed with otherisation and tribal identities.

The left is obsessed with pointing out that the right is doing that.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T14:25:28+00:00

The right is about setting up in groups and out groups. The left simply points this out.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T14:23:14+00:00

Yes. Try talking to some teachers.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T14:21:57+00:00

Plenty.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T14:21:33+00:00

Lol Trump ”stabilizing" the country. Maybe if you consider martial law stable.

And it doesn't matter if you actually illegally sneak in. When you give the government that much power, they merely have to accuse you of sneaking in.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T02:49:46+00:00

Klondike · 2020-08-25T02:48:06+00:00

Earliest result from those is March of this year.

Found the actual paper though: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-tNG7MjZUicS-wiJb/page/n21/mode/2up

Dated 2014, but that's old enough.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T02:36:40+00:00

No it isn't. There's only 180 days in the school year.

Klondike · 2020-08-25T00:42:36+00:00

I disagree. "Indoctrination" has a harsher connotation than "teaching".

Klondike · 2020-08-25T00:41:32+00:00

"Brainwashing"? 🤔🤔🤔

Klondike · 2020-08-24T21:32:43+00:00

Ah, so I see you're a fascist whose OK with government abuse of power. Kindly GTFO of my country. Might I recommend China or Russia? As an added bonus, even if you immigrate there legally, you might be able to experience the glory of a "detention center" yourself!

I'm sure you'll love it.

Klondike · 2020-08-24T21:30:18+00:00

Sure, but is that the same as indoctrination?

Klondike · 2020-08-24T19:13:57+00:00

Any evidence this is actually from 2010? That video was uploaded in June.

Klondike · 2020-08-24T19:10:53+00:00

Possibly? Not sure what you are getting at.

Klondike · 2020-08-24T19:08:51+00:00

I guess I don't. I went to school and none of the teachers or administration resembled the frothing tumblrians. So I'm curious what you think is being taught at schools that would be considered sjw.

Klondike · 2020-08-24T18:06:06+00:00

And what shit is that, exactly? "Don't throw around the n-word like your grandpa does"?

Klondike · 2020-08-24T18:04:35+00:00

They don't stop being humans either, you fucking psycho

Klondike · 2020-08-24T16:27:47+00:00

"Help, my children are being exposed to children from other socioeconomic classes and races--and even becoming FRIENDS with such people! Can you imagine--and learning to think critically on their own instead of following the words of Dear Leader Trump; they are being INDOCTRINATED!!! Better to completely insulate them from reality and homeschool them, so they only meet their own family and don't need to worry themselves about the existence of society"

Pffft

Klondike · 2020-08-24T16:22:54+00:00

And the curriculum doesn't include any indoctrination, so what's the problem?

Klondike · 2020-08-24T15:03:20+00:00

Raping and abusing prisoners is.

Klondike · 2020-08-24T14:31:53+00:00

Spoken like a true man of privilege...

"It's ok for my government to abuse other people, as long as I don't have to think about it"

Yes, we are a nation built on laws, and what ICE is doing is illegal.

Klondike · 2020-08-23T21:59:26+00:00

Maybe ICE should stop abusing, raping, and denying medicine to the detainees then. Good on LA for standing up against these gulags. We can't claim to be a free nation while we are treating people like cattle.

Klondike · 2020-08-22T17:24:43+00:00

What "fact"?

”Oh hey guys they fucked up and reported this one motorcycle death as covid, therefore the whole thing is a hoax!"

"There's thousands of cases like this but I can only find that one about the motorcycle, just gotta believe me"

"All of these doctors and researchers who have been studying disease for over 20 years disagree with me, but I watched a Tucker Carlson video on YouTube so it MUST be true"

And I'll just preempt your next bit: "But there's this one doctor who doesn't even specialize in this and who has been on the GOP payroll since the nineties who does agree with me, so clearly all the other doctors are lying"

Fuck off rightard. Go read a book.

Klondike · 2020-08-21T13:50:33+00:00

claims to use brain

Uses "plandemic" soundbyte Links to that one motorcycle death everyone points to

You are a parrot fooled into believing you are a monkey.

Klondike · 2020-08-20T18:45:53+00:00

Big ~~tech~~ CEOs.

But I don't know why he's pretending he didn't help bring this problem about.

Klondike · 2020-08-20T16:09:02+00:00

If only...

Biden's a corporatist.

Klondike · 2020-08-20T15:27:46+00:00

They just happened to choose a coronavirus for their simulation? That's a hell of a coincidence...

I'll have to watch the videos later, but did the simulation show China "winning" or coming out ahead? We know that they have hid information about the timing and origin of the virus (not just Trump talking out his ass, officials from other governments concur), and after SARS they probably had research into other strains going on, and I wouldn't put killing an estimated 65M people past the CCP...

Klondike · 2020-08-20T03:15:35+00:00

Ok, that's fair. Definitely true about a recession being "overdue."

But if anything, it's probably the oligarchs taking advantage of a crisis--not manufacturing it.

If they were to trigger a recession, I figured they would do it if Biden won, in March or so, so they could blame it on the Dems and shift power back to the right.

Klondike · 2020-08-19T15:13:03+00:00

Sounds like a chore to disprove bullshit that you are just going to disregard anyway.

But you still haven't told me how this "scam" works and who would possibly benefit.

Klondike · 2020-08-18T21:39:14+00:00

Words on a forum isn't the same as the real world.

People with apparent relations to the black perpetrator were praising and defending him on social media

🙃🙃🙃

Klondike · 2020-08-18T18:32:03+00:00

Even with deaths being classified as covid when the majority were more likely due to the comorbidities, if this were the "serious pandemic" that is being claimed you would see deaths way outside the range of 290,00 to 650,000.

Or maybe the lockdowns and countermeasures are working, so the world-wide deaths are lower than what they would've been? 🙃🕴️

Klondike · 2020-08-18T06:45:58+00:00

A scam to do what, exactly? And by whom?

Klondike · 2020-08-18T04:05:01+00:00

Cute, but shows you didn't click the link either.

Klondike