The problem that is /s/ice_poseidon2

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T21:36:01+00:00

Of course I will use an alt account because I know the nature of your community. That doesn't invalidate everything I said though.

Do you have any evidence of Ice giving these DDOS orders you're talking about?

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T21:34:13+00:00

Thanks for the feedback. I went back through and added links to all my examples so you can get the context.

The point of view was kind of already answered by one of their mods but I'll expand on it.

Ice Poseidon has been a live streamer for about 4 years now, he gained fame by having an edgy community on Twitch until he was ultimately banned for not controlling the racist donations on his stream and being swatted. He then moved to Youtube where he indulged in degenerate content such as using homeless people for his stream, allowing more racist donations to play, and pushing the bar on how edgy he could make his stream.

His community grew so toxic from being unchecked for so long that he could no longer control it. They started attacking everyone around him and it was becoming a huge problem. He closed his reddit because he couldn't deal with it anymore and this caused a huge backlash. This is where the majority of IP2 came from, they are disgruntled fans of his.

So now he had what was left of his community and an opposing faction to deal with (IP2). He decided that he didn't want to do degenerate content anymore because it lead him to that awful point. So he set out to rebrand himself, clean up his act and try something new. He started streaming on Mixer and more importantly he followed a strict set of rules enforced by Mixer.

IP2 was eventually banned off reddit since they continued to harass him and other streamers and arrived here. By that point Ice had a new following on Mixer and stopped talking about IP2 all together. However, IP2 had a deep grudge and couldn't stand seeing him try to reform himself. So they once again went after everyone around him by sending them compilations of things he did years ago. They also went around any place that had mention of him and pushed a false narrative that he was a pedophile or that he ran a ponzi scheme. Ice Poseidon was investigated by the FBI already at this point and cleared. There has also never been any criminal charges brought against him other than sneaking into a convention in a trojan horse/llama. So it was all baseless accusations.

So we are here now, where once again they are trying to harass everyone around Ice Poseidon because he has a big event coming up and they want to do anything they can to stop him from continuing his progress in reforming his brand.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T21:38:33+00:00

I've added the related threads for all of my screenshots for any additional context that was needed.

Your community is going far beyond criticizing a public figure when you are creating harassment campaigns against people. You are actively trying to deplatform him for things he did years ago. He has already admitted many times to his mistakes and wants to move on, is there a reason why you can't do the same?

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T21:46:04+00:00

I have nothing against free speech. By trying to deplatform someone, you are the one against free speech.

You are delusional if you think that if someone is a public figure they are allowed to be harassed.

-Criticism isn't creating sockpuppet accounts pretending to be his fans and saying racist things to Mixer executives.
-Criticism isn't telling your users to DM a racism compilation from over 2 years ago to every person he follows on twitter.
-Criticism isn't threatening Mixer streamers that if they go to his event then they will lose their partner status.
-Criticism isn't pretending to be offended by things he did in the past when you do the same things every day on your sub.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:43:52+00:00

I very clearly state in my conclusion that I don't believe IP2 should be banned and needs better moderation that is within Saidit guidelines.

Feel free to read my original post as I show several examples of your harassment.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T21:21:18+00:00

Just a heads up, they have posted my thread on their sub and are actively brigading:
https://saidit.net/s/Ice_Poseidon2/comments/2585/lol_one_of_ices_mods_using_their_dead_account_to/

The mods told them not to brigade but didn't remove the thread for some reason. More acting in bad faith it seems.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T21:52:15+00:00

That's my point here really, Ice Poseidon has moved on from his old community (IP2). He does not go out of his way to try and provoke them or wants anything to do with them.

Yet they cannot move on with their lives for some reason.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:57:55+00:00

Ah ok, that makes sense.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T18:02:12+00:00

A quality contribution as expected from a member of /s/ice_poseidon2. I expect to see more of this once this thread gets brigaded.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:04:32+00:00

The homeless man approached Ice in that interaction, he ran a typical act that all panhandlers do where they tell a few jokes and then ask for cash. This interaction was all led by the homeless man and not Ice

He told the man to grab a banana and a cookie since they were the cheapest items and so that he could get $20 in change. You can spin the narrative all you want but anyone can just watch the video.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T23:03:16+00:00

I have been and it still doesn't get dealt with.

Example:

-https://saidit.net/user/KimberleeHillner

This user posts personal photos containing children and uses personal information as his username. She has never given out her name publically so you can't claim this is public information. This is information as the result of doxxing

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:54:36+00:00

You should, you're the mod of the sub!

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:53:34+00:00

Its free world, live and let live.

How ironic considering your community can't do this

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T20:51:07+00:00

You hit the nail on the head there. Ice Poseidon wants to move on with his life and reform his brand but there is people in IP2 who have an unhealthy obsession with him and his past. They would rather see him crash and burn instead of allowing him to reform.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T23:20:47+00:00

I think you need to check your calendar buddy, that video is a year old now.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T21:39:59+00:00

I have plenty of evidence showing you actively harassing him and people around him. All of which is out in the open on YOUR subreddit.

You can try to deflect it as much as you want but it doesn't help when there is direct evidence.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:45:13+00:00

Why do you need to hide IP2 from the rest of your website? That sounds to me like you're giving them special treatment to operate outside of your community guidelines.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:00:06+00:00

Keep in mind that they have their own agenda (trying to ruin his life) when it comes to things that they consider to be not reformed.

For example, yesterday he did a stream with a homeless black man where he took him to a convenience store to buy him some food and drink. At one point he tells the man to grab a banana and a cookie so that he can give the guy $20 in change. IP2 spun this interaction into a narrative that he was being racist by offering him a banana since he was black. This is how they operate, they try to make a new narrative out of anything that can be taken out of context.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T21:54:31+00:00

Please explain how the following are "fan interactions"

Creating sockpuppet accounts pretending to be his fans and saying racist things to Mixer executives.
Users DM'ng a racism compilation from over 2 years ago to every person he follows on twitter.
Threatening Mixer streamers that if they go to his event then they will lose their partner status.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:40:50+00:00

Highly doubt that since your whole post is dog whistling for unnecessary censorship because a degenerate like Ice Poseidon is being criticized, held to account, and given the same treatment he gave to others.

I never ask for censorship and explicitly state that in my conclusion, that more moderation is needed instead.

Nope, it's just giving him some of the same treatment he allowed/gave to others.

He never deplatformed anyone. If you say Brandon then you have proof other than conspiracy theories.

There's a high bar for "harassment" when it comes to public figures. It's amazing you take this line of defense for an asshole that built his career off of harassing regular folks going about their lives. I still remember when he had a hidden camera and made some poor Mexican guys get down on their knees and bark like dogs unbeknownst to them that they were being livestreamed, humiliated and laughed at by thousands of people watching, which was also illegal to stream others secretly like that in California from inside a private residence.

Those people were well aware that they were being filmed, and did all that willingly. They were also paid hundreds of dollars for the whole thing that lasted less than an hour.

Really don't know what this one is about, but I think if this did happen most people on IP2 wouldn't support it. You can't just cherry pick 1 act and act like the whole community supports that or that this is what we refer to when we say criticism.

Read my original post, it's in there. The mods still allow it to happen which says enough.

I disagree that's valid, he shouldn't have done those actions if he can't live with the consequences of such.

So how many years are you going to continue this? If he's making efforts to reform himself why stop him?

That's more of a fair warning, they probably don't know what a degenerate sociopath Ice Poseidon is and what the consequences of associating with him can do to their future. Many people have suffered from associating with him, he's got an earned bad reputation all throughout the livestreaming world. Twitch streamers started referring to him as the "black plague" for how he corrupts and ruins the things he touches.

Threatening that someone will lose their career for associating with him is not a fair warning. Obviously not done with good intentions for the person.

Vague, simplistic, and wrong. Ice Poseidon has done many bad things that the vast majority on IP2 don't support or do. You're trying to compare 1 person to a community of hundreds where you want to cherry pick a few incidents and act like that represents the whole. Sorry but smarter people see through that.

Because you may find a few things that may be bad acts does not invalidate all the legitimate criticism of an abusive sociopath like Paul Denino. Hope you at least get paid to defend such a degenerate.

I could spend all day going through the last 3 months of your sub and find countless offenses. You will just continue to move the goalposts.

The fact is your community continues to make the same racist jokes and support the same degeneracy with other streamers day to day. You are simply racists masquerading as SJWs.

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T23:18:49+00:00

And by moderation you mean censorship, but the rest of your post was also dogwhistling towards unnecessary censorship.

Moderation is not censorship, I know your community has a hard time believing that but someone has to be able to draw the line

He allowed his subreddit and discord to do mass reporting deplatforming pushes for years, he even said he reports people. Yes I do strongly think him SSJ, TrustedFlagger were involved in getting Brandon banned. There was a lot of circumstantial evidence.

Brandon committed actual crimes on his streams. He did drugs, assaulted people and filmed himself stealing from stores. Anyone would get banned for that.

Wrong the camera was hidden at least at one point, and also did the same to that maid girl escort. He filmed harassed and exploited so many people without their consent for years, you're a complete degenerate trying to defend that. How many businesses did he harass with his army of followers.

He literally picked them up with a camera in his hand and told them what was going on. The escort girl was a hidden camera, I won't deny that one. Just because I point out your inaccuracies doesn't mean I defend his actions, I just want you to be truthful.

Well I think that kind of trolling is taking it too far, probably falls under free speech though.

Sending threats does not fall under free speech

Irrelevant even generally true. None of those other streamers had the position, rewards and loyalty, then spit in their face.

It's completely relevant because you put on some holier than thou act as if your community is the beacon of justice. You are hypocrites

HorrorShow · 2020-01-16T22:11:06+00:00

Post evidence of your DDOS claim
The only platform he's been banned on is Twitch and that was 3 years ago.
You can say you're not harassing him but it's clear in my evidence you are

HorrorShow