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If every cell in the body can become a sperm or egg in laboratory, does that mean everyone is already both male and female? by BigSecret in GenderCritical

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I do put time. I don't see how you can expect any more time than I put in making posts, and engaging with the comments.

At the cutting edge of gender degeneracy by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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Since the mods keep removing my posts, I thought I'd post in the comments. Can you please answer these questions?:

If every cell in the body can become a sperm or egg in laboratory, does that mean everyone is already both male and female?

Scientists have discovered years ago that with technology, every cell in the body, especially stem cells, can become sperm or egg in laboratory. They have done this with mice. They have taken cells from a "female" mice, stem cells which differentiated into sperm cells, and fertilized the eggs of a female mice with the sperm.

If it is the case that all cells, especially stem cells as they are the body's raw materials differentiating into any cells, can become sperm or egg, doesn't that mean there is no "just male" or "just female", and everyone is already both male and female?

Because apparently all it takes for a currently female human to create sperm and as a result become a male for producing sperm from their own genes, even if artificially, is technology which turns stem cells into gametes in laboratory.

And all it takes for a currently male human to create eggs and as a result become a female for producing eggs from their own genes, even if artificially, is technology which turns stem cells into gametes in laboratory.

I don't see how this is not the case that everyone is already both male and female when every cell has the potential to become sperm or egg.

During the natural embryonic development, stem cells differentiate to become sperm or egg. That's the exact same step they repeat in the laboratory, taking stem cells of a female and making them differentiate into sperm (which turns the female into a male for the very fact of producing sperm, even if artificially), and taking stem cells of a male and making them differentiate into eggs (which turns the male into a female, for the very fact of producing eggs, even if artificially).

This dives into philosophy, a little bit. We could go further, why is it that a heart is different from a kidney, an arm, an eye, a brain, etc, when in natural embryonic development, the same stem cells differentiate to give rise to all mentioned organs? Every organ comes from the same origin, the same stem cells, so why do we consider them to be different from one another? Why do we consider there be a "heart", "eye", etc separate from each other, that are their own things?

There are many articles on this, though I have summarized them in a less misinformed way (these articles tend to spread misinformation, with their wrong wordings, e.g. claiming two "females", two "eggs", or two "males", two "sperm" create a zygote, eventhough it's actually a sperm and egg creating a zygote, and one of the two "females" becomes a male, or one of the two "males" becomes a female as per the definitions of male and female): https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06999-6

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/news-gene-editing-crispr-mice-stem-cells

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/same-sex-parents-mice-1.4860149

https://www.inverse.com/article/49792-can-two-males-or-females-make-babies

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6265453/Hope-gay-couples-want-children-mice-two-MOTHERS-born-China.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45801043

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-father-necessary-as-mice-are-created-with-two-mothers-2vskf8w58

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/10/11/needs-men-first-mammal-born-same-sex-female-parents-gene-editing/

https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/10/11/139840/chinese-scientists-have-created-mice-that-have-two-moms-or-two-dads/

And I'm sure there are more articles out there on this topic.

If every cell in the body can become a sperm or egg in laboratory, does that mean everyone is already both male and female? by BigSecret in GenderCritical

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It will take months for people to gather and bother answering my questions. Why would I do that when these subs with more than 500 members are already around. The only issues they have are the mods

If every cell in the body can become a sperm or egg in laboratory, does that mean everyone is already both male and female? by BigSecret in GenderCritical

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Yes, which recognizes male and female are real, just that if every cell in the body can become sperm or egg, at any time, and all that is needed is technology, as explained, then maybe everyone is both male and female, not 'just male' or 'just female'.

And I'm asking if you disagree with that, which I'm sure you do, I would like you to explain why you disagree, and argue against the points in my post.

If every cell in the body can become a sperm or egg in laboratory, does that mean everyone is already both male and female? by BigSecret in GenderCritical

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If you bothered looking at these questions, which you didn't, you would see it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not male or female is real. The questions are under the assumption male and female are real, just that maybe everyone is both male and female since everyone has the cells that can become sperm or egg, at any time, with the help of technology.

When you're done reading, instead of assuming the content of the post, then let me know so we can talk.

Identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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I'm not pushing anything. I simply ask questions and look for answers.

Oh, and if you think me asking questions, and being so done with the mods getting in the way, are worse than what QT do, then you got some issues ...

How can that even be remotely close to or even worse than QT invading women's spaces, and sports, like seriously.

Identity by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Since the mods keep removing my posts, I thought I'd post in the comments. Can you please answer these questions?:

If every cell in the body can become a sperm or egg in laboratory, does that mean everyone is already both male and female?

Scientists have discovered years ago that with technology, every cell in the body, especially stem cells, can become sperm or egg in laboratory. They have done this with mice. They have taken cells from a "female" mice, stem cells which differentiated into sperm cells, and fertilized the eggs of a female mice with the sperm.

If it is the case that all cells, especially stem cells as they are the body's raw materials differentiating into any cells, can become sperm or egg, doesn't that mean there is no "just male" or "just female", and everyone is already both male and female?

Because apparently all it takes for a currently female human to create sperm and as a result become a male for producing sperm from their own genes, even if artificially, is technology which turns stem cells into gametes in laboratory.

And all it takes for a currently male human to create eggs and as a result become a female for producing eggs from their own genes, even if artificially, is technology which turns stem cells into gametes in laboratory.

I don't see how this is not the case that everyone is already both male and female when every cell has the potential to become sperm or egg.

During the natural embryonic development, stem cells differentiate to become sperm or egg. That's the exact same step they repeat in the laboratory, taking stem cells of a female and making them differentiate into sperm (which turns the female into a male for the very fact of producing sperm, even if artificially), and taking stem cells of a male and making them differentiate into eggs (which turns the male into a female, for the very fact of producing eggs, even if artificially).

This dives into philosophy, a little bit. We could go further, why is it that a heart is different from a kidney, an arm, an eye, a brain, etc, when in natural embryonic development, the same stem cells differentiate to give rise to all mentioned organs? Every organ comes from the same origin, the same stem cells, so why do we consider them to be different from one another? Why do we consider there be a "heart", "eye", etc separate from each other, that are their own things?

There are many articles on this, though I have summarized them in a less misinformed way (these articles tend to spread misinformation, with their wrong wordings, e.g. claiming two "females", two "eggs", or two "males", two "sperm" create a zygote, eventhough it's actually a sperm and egg creating a zygote, and one of the two "females" becomes a male, or one of the two "males" becomes a female as per the definitions of male and female): https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06999-6

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/news-gene-editing-crispr-mice-stem-cells

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/same-sex-parents-mice-1.4860149

https://www.inverse.com/article/49792-can-two-males-or-females-make-babies

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6265453/Hope-gay-couples-want-children-mice-two-MOTHERS-born-China.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45801043

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-father-necessary-as-mice-are-created-with-two-mothers-2vskf8w58

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/10/11/needs-men-first-mammal-born-same-sex-female-parents-gene-editing/

https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/10/11/139840/chinese-scientists-have-created-mice-that-have-two-moms-or-two-dads/

And I'm sure there are more articles out there on this topic.

If every cell in the body can become a sperm or egg in laboratory, does that mean everyone is already both male and female? by BigSecret in GenderCritical

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I posted in the debate sub, but the mods in there are jerks. They keep removing my posts. They don't want me to get answers.

It's not trolling because mods removed my post in the debate sub, for the 2nd or 3rd time now. I got nowhere else to go.

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If every cell in the body can become a sperm or egg in laboratory, does that mean everyone is already both male and female?

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GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/#:~:text=Complete%20androgen%20insensitivity%20syndrome%20(CAIS,side%20of%20the%20vaginal%20opening).

CAIS is not usually obvious from birth because affected babies have female genitals, including a vagina and labia (folds of skin either side of the vaginal opening)

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

They [CAIS] typically have a female gender identity. Affected individuals have male internal sex organs (testes) that are undescended, which means they are abnormally located in the pelvis or abdomen.

They say they have "male sex organs". If they have no penises, you still agree they have testes.

CAIS tend to identify as women. Are all CAIS males or not? Are they males that think they are women? Or not?

Also, if everyone with CAIS is a male but has vagina and labia, and if males with PMDS have uteruses, why would uteruses, vaginas, etc be female-only organs when males can have them too?

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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The links I shared said, very clearly, CAIS generally identify as women and have penises and testes. That's why I asked "how can penises and testes be male-only organs when females can have them too?". But you say "male CAIS do not have penises, they have testes".

Are you saying CAIS can be either male or female, female CAIS have no penises and testes, and it's the male CAIS that have testes and think they are women when they aren't?

Or are you saying all CAIS are actually males who think they are women when they aren't?

I want good articles, not the ones from before that said, again very clearly, that "CAIS identify as women and have penises and testes", and "males with PMDS have uteruses"

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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I saw that. Do you have sources though?

First of all, males with PMDS can not produce ova and can produce sperm.

Second, males with CAIS do NOT have penises, and do NOT have any female reproductive organs, they do have testes, but their organism fails to interract with testosterone.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/8560/gc_how_can_there_be_such_things_as_male_and/u9th

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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Had to delete my comment because it was sent twice. Internet issues are a b*tch.

Only to realize you answered to that deleted comment ...

You did not engaged on my answers and posts on the topic. You only engaging with me on parts where it is personal rambling, like this branch.

You can see I was engaging with you above, with the part you said 'males' as though I don't know they are males. Go take a look.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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This is discussion sub. Discussion is when two or more people are discussing something, not when one person is speaking and other just spamming same question over and over, while ignoring all that first person is speaking.

I've been engaging in this thread, so how about you all do your part and answer the questions? I see you started doing just that, so I mean other people, generally.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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Maybe try to give me better links that don't say things like "CAIS are females with testes and penises" and "males with persistent mullerian duct syndrome have uteruses". That's exactly what those links say and I highlighted them in quotes.

If that's not what the articles meant, they shouldn't have said the things they did, which I quoted, in the first place.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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I'm not talking about "trans".

This is about intersex, and how they might indicate that the definitions of male and female may be flawed. If intersex females have penises, and testes, as mentioned, and intersex males have uteruses, as again mentioned, then how can penises and testes be male-only organs when females can have them too? How can vagina, uteruses, ovaries, etc be female-only organs when males can have them too?

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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Right ... the male part is for persistent mullerian duct syndrome, and I did say they are males (males with uteruses apparently). For CAIS they said 'people', and that they have a "female" gender identify. Do you mean CAIS are actually males, who think they are women? Are there any sources on CAIS being males?

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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Those links are the top of the searches on google. All I did was search the intersex conditions up and they were there: https://imgur.com/a/FrWqgp5

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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Removing someone who disrespects everyone in sub, who spamming same questions and refuses to ingage in discussion, creating same threads even after they were removed time after time after time is not "abusing authority".

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

All you're doing is whine about how many times you answered these questions. Why wouldn't that count as spamming in the comments?

The threads were removed, and I wanted answers, so why wouldn't I post again, and again when you get in my way? What's weird is if you're right you should be able to answer these questions no matter how many times they are asked. They should be easy to deal with. Instead, you waste your breath teaching me good manners.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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Are you talking about chimeras who are the result of a male and female embryo getting fused?

That, and there are men with, for example, persistent mullerian duct syndrome that have a uterus and fallopian tubes: https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/persistent-mullerian-duct-syndrome/#:~:text=Persistent%20M%C3%BCllerian%20duct%20syndrome%20is,which%20are%20female%20reproductive%20organs%20.

Males with this disorder have normal male reproductive organs, though they also have a uterus and fallopian tubes

Then there are "females" with testes and penis. One example is CAIS: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/#:~:text=Complete%20androgen%20insensitivity%20syndrome%20(CAIS,side%20of%20the%20vaginal%20opening).

CAIS is not usually obvious from birth because affected babies have female genitals, including a vagina and labia (folds of skin either side of the vaginal opening)

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

They [CAIS] typically have a female gender identity. Affected individuals have male internal sex organs (testes) that are undescended, which means they are abnormally located in the pelvis or abdomen.

So females can have penises and testes, and males can have uteruses ...?

Why would testes and penis be male-only organs when females can have them too? Or why would uteruses, vaginas, ovaries, etc be female-only organs when males can have them too?

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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You're assuming a lot about me ...

With the way you come to a thread just to tell me things like "we already answered this", I feel like YOU are trolling ME. 22 comments and still no actual answers. Good job.

Also, good job wanting mods to abuse their authority.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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Don't lie, all questions were answered

You have the energy to explain to me why re-asking these questions is somehow like men demanding things in toxic relationships. Why can't you save that energy to answer the questions again 😶

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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If you disrespect us so much and do not care, why should we?

Because this is a sub where you are supposed to answer questions? Ignoring answers and repeating the same questions are what QT do. You should know this. You have experienced this, even in the debate sub on reddit.

No matter what you tell them, do they learn anything? No, most of them ignore it and will ask the same questions again.

Why bother running a sub like this when you know how QTs act?

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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neither is nice of you to "forget"

Not my fault I have memory issues. I can remember things from my teenage years very well, but recent things get easily forgotten.

Memory issues in my freaking 20s. I wonder what will happen in my 30s. Probably full on Alzheimers.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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That's not nice 😢

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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You could go back yourself, and copy and paste them for me here. And maybe change them up a bit to fit with the current questions.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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You used all that energy to tell me how you can't be bothered to answer these questions in a much longer comment than expected ... if only you used that same energy to actually answer these questions 😕

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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If you answer these questions properly this one time, I won't ask them again 😶

Long answers would be appreciated.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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There is this assumption among you guys that there can ever be any original questions, and if something is asked 'several times', it's not worth asking or answering to. Don't know how to break it to you, but all the questions QT ask are repetitive. Telling people to go use the search button doesn't help here.

GC: How can there be such things as male and female in the presence of intersex conditions? How can there be no such things as "male pregnancy" and "futanari"? by BigSecret in GCdebatesQT

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It would be nice if you answered the questions yourselves instead of telling me to use the search button ...

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