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[–]wizzwizz4[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The entire point of the story you posted was a mother asked for assurance from a doctor that the vaccine wouldn't injure her child. The doctor dismissed he request.

The point was that she expected something that she knew couldn't be given: an assurance that there was no risk. There is risk in walking to the shop. There is risk in literally everything. The doctor could not assure that there was no risk because there was a risk.

The final two lines of the story were:

Sacha muttered something under her breath.

“What's in the injection?” said James. “You know, you start asking questions like that, you might get science back...”

The problem was not that she was criticising vaccines. The problem was that she had decided that vaccines were unsafe, and was cherry-picking evidence to support that.

The reaction would be the same to people who say "vaccines are safe because I've never got ill from them" or "can you assure me that this seat belt will not harm my child?". Very few people use science properly; even I don't, most of the time, which I frequently beat myself up about.

I'd like to have a nice, sensible reasoned discussion about this topic. But you keep calling me a shill and criticising me personally to discredit my arguments. We've never even agreed on what we're arguing; you seem insistent that no things called vaccines are effective and all things called vaccines are unsafe when I know for a fact that that's not the case.

So. Are we ready to be civil, and discuss this as close to rationally as we can? And ready to accept criticisms of our arguments, without going on the defensive (because making a flawed argument doesn't mean what you're arguing is wrong)? If so, I'm happy to engage in reasoned discussion with you about this, without the criticisms I've been making.

I will. Will you?

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the main message of the story.

“I'm sorry, Ms Melham...” he began, and then more kindly. “I'm sorry, Sacha, but you've crossed the threshold. I'm afraid to say, you're not allowed science any more.”.

“I'm what?”.

“You're not allowed science any more,” repeated James.

Sacha's lips moved as she tried to process what he had said.

“You're saying that you're refusing my children treatment?”.

“No,” said James. “Quite the opposite. You and your children will always be entitled to the best medical care. It's just that you, Sacha, no longer have a say in it. I shall administer the vaccination immediately.”.

Do you support Dr James assertion that the mother should no longer have a say in the healthcare that is provided to her children?
Explicitly forced vaccination.