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[–]Hematomato 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

did something change in american society that made the right and left switch places?

Yes. It happened between 2014 and 2016. Between GamerGate, the Isla Vista "massacre," the Michael Brown shooting, the reaction to Obergefell, and most especially the election of Donald Trump, the American Left decided, basically, that the right wing were just evil pieces of shit and no child should ever have to read their opinions. And they fully embraced censorship.

It seems like the right embraces free speech, revolutionary messages, is anti government and corporate control

No, it doesn't seem like that. I've been on this site six days and several posters on the right are already calling for me to be banned, because I don't hate black people and Jews. And therefore, everything I say, they consider to have been written "in bad faith," and they want my mouth taped over.

The truth is, if you have a partisan bent, you don't have principles. Your only principle is "my party good, their party bad." Partisans support anything that weakens the other party, and that is their only sense of right and wrong.

[–]alexislane 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That is sad. People should be able to say whatever they want. I don’t care if you cuss me out and call me every vile thing because they are just words and I am not a snowflake

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Notice how he didn't share a single evidence of people calling for him to be censored?

It's the typical "both sides bad", meanwhile saidit exists as a website because every social media platform silences right wingers. It's just so tiresome.

Also I don't support leftists right to free speech, because they don't support mine. I used to be a classical liberal but I'm not anymore. Not after corona and social media censorship.
Human rights are fake

[–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course human rights aren't something universal or gifted from god or something.

Your rights are whatever you are prepared to fight for.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is my way of loving them. Tough love.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're punishing all of us just to get revenge on some people.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ngl having my mouth taped over would be kinda hot

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, OP is remembering what the right was like until recent years. This is what I'm talking about when I say they flipped in June 2020.

[–]IMissPorn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately, it seems very few people really support free speech. It's just a talking point they use when their side isn't in control.

[–]QuantumLegion 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

They've also embraced eradicating gays. Isn't that what its really about? IF you're fem gay, just go trans. Now you're not gay--you're a "womanz" and now you're straight. If you're an ugly woman, no one wants to have sex with you, so now all of us end up asexual. If you take hormone therapy you end up sterile, everyone is "child free" and no one is having that dirty sex

[–]jet199Instigatrix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, they have gone back to Victorian sexual hypocrisy. They put strippers in front of kids but if you talk about the effect of medical transition on kids they will accuse you of being obsessed with kid's genitals. They do a similar thing over single sex spaces, " why are you obsessed about what it in people's pants" or "are you going to do genital checks at the door" when most troons want to use those spaces for sexual reasons.

It makes sense to these young transcels that people shouldn't care what sex their date turns out to be because they have only had relationships online and are disassociated from their own bodies and instincts. However for many of the older ones it's just projection, deflection and hypocrisy. And of course wanting to seem harmless and non-threatening.

Then you have the whole Russell Brand thing where screwing around is mixed in with actual allegations of assault as if they are all the same level of bad.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

These cretins have embraced the ridiculous idea of ATTEMPING to eliminate all LGBTQ folk. Which is like trying to hold back the ocean with a spoon. It ain't gonna happen, there's no force in nature or heaven above that could eliminate "gay" people anymore than a force could eliminate human ignorance from proliferating on online forums. We who are the LGBTQ super humans are legion, and nothing could stop us. But, the doesn't keep conservative bigots from trying. And for that, I'm grateful; their hate is the engine that keeps the rest of us engaged and strong and ready to fight.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That point just went over your head, bot.

It is the trans movement and wokeism which is trying to eradicate gays and do conversion rapes on young lesbians.

If biological sex doesn't exist then neither does same sex attraction. The basis of all gay rights gets disappeared.

Then the right-wing can use that ideology against you too. That's what Hungary did to ban gay couples adopting. They made a law saying every child needs a mother and a father and said it didn't go against equality legislation because the words "mother" and "father" were related to gender and not sex.

[–]alexislane 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yes it’s disgusting. I just got banned because I said gay sex was selfish and kids deserve a mom and a dad. I accused them of being the thought police talked about in the book 1984 and many people there defended the idea of banning me.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You got banned because your ideas are dangerous and incorrect. What kids need are loving parents who are well educated and well off. Same sex people fit that bill very nicely, and people like you are far too ignorant to understand the reasons why. You always blame others for your own troubles, and have terrible relationships because you can't see what humanity really is about; you are self-limiting due to your own bigotry.

[–]Entropick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What kids need are loving parents who are well educated and well off. Same sex people fit that bill very nicely

Reconcile that for me will you?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I for one am a same sex person (!) how's that for a statement. I'm gay and have been since 1980. I was very active in the Salt lake gay scene and even marched in the first gay pride parades here. I've met a lot (I mean thousands) of gay people and most of them are parents in one way or another, through prior marriages or adoption. And they are amazing good parents, nurturing, kind, and well educated people. And what's more, actually in LOVE - not just going through the motions like many hetero men because society expects it of them.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How can gay sex create a kid?

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's been a political shift of the parties populist rhetoric. It's fairly common for the populist rhetoric of the party that is in power to be pro establishment while the party that isn't in power is anti establishment. We saw this in the bush years as well as many democrats were echoing anti establishment anti war attitudes that republican populists are echoing now to drum up grassroots voter support.

In reality both parties are very much pro establishment but only so much as they establish their own party. The internet has shaken up the rules of the game a little bit but now as it is better understood it is being used more effectively as a political propoganda tool just as television radio and newspapers were before.

The puritanical roots of American society I do think lend themselves to the kind of moral panic hysterical arguments we tend to see (not a controversial statement really until you get into what actually constitutes a hysterical argument and a legitimate concern, I tend to argue more things that hit the mainstream contain threads of both).

It's easier to understand American political discourse and party positions if you consider their practical use by the party to gain voting bloc support rather than coherence to any ideological base. Typically the ideological justifications come afterwards as a way of placating the various disparate groups that make up each parties voting base. The Republican base for example contains the hardline religious fanatic voters who prefer authoritarian imposition of their moral rules on the larger population, as well as the more, shall we say crass business minded anything goes lazefaire conservatives who want no regulations on vice. Yet somehow they are part of the same party. The Democrats are simultaneously painted as evil vice promoting sexual monsters who want to corrupt the children while also being painted as the party that wants to regulate everything and make "consent forms" necessary for relationships as well as mandate that porn actors wear condoms on film.

Meanwhile if you are s democrat you probably consider the republicans as the moralist authoritarian party that wants to ban everything that isn't strictly in the bible. At the same time they are the dangerous anti regulation party that wants to let capitalists run rampant and do whatever they want regardless of the consequences.

In the end of it all there is likely some truth behind all of these viewpoints, I don't think you'll find much sense in trying to understand any logic behind the party platform as it pertains to any coherent ideological positions save one "how can we win the next election?"

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

as well as the more, shall we say crass business minded anything goes lazefaire conservatives who want no regulations on vice

Not anymore. We got betrayed and banished after the George Floyd incident. What's left of us anyway, since most converted to stay with the party.

[–]BanditMcFuklebuck 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

One time, there were two people buttfucking in the back of the car, and I caught them

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And, I presume that means that you joined them? Otherwise why would you bother to interfere with two people lucky enough to be having such a good time? The only two reasons are a) rabid jealously of them having something you didn't, or b) you wanted to get in on the action. And if it's b), I say, good for you for having some sense in your head. Never pass up the chance for a good buttfuck orgy. NEVER.

[–]BanditMcFuklebuck 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was a line from a phony phone call from from the mid to late 90s....It's been stuck in my head as a personal meme since then. I blast it out whenever I'm trying to be particularly irreverent and irrelevant....

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a good line and I think it's actually making a relevant point. It could be equally said of both sides, which is surprising given that so many males want nothing to do with puritanical standards, yet always embrace them when judging others.

[–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

when they hijacked so many (more) institutions = more and they reinforce each other)

academia has been like that for many decades

[–]CheeseWizard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nobody cares about freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is just a talking point for virtue signaling, and to beg people to forget the times they silenced other people and asked for their heads. The only people that cares about freedom of speech, are the people that want everyone to say what they believe in.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What most juveniles who use forums like this to express hate to others mean by "free speech" is, freedom to use abominably horrid language to put others down because it's the only real titillation they can get out of life. Actual "free speech" is bounded by guardrails, and as it explicitly states in our Constitution, all people who are Americans have the right to have complete freedom from persecution by other people. Nothing in American history gives anyone the right to use hate or bigotry anyway they want to against other people.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lot up the definition of bigotry.

You yourself come under that.

Never assume powers wont be used against you.

Religions can easily start using their rights against hate and being offended to oppress LGB people.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it is because jews were already in full power. Freedom is an illusion that is good to uphold, because it reduces resistance to your power.

So prior to social media, the jews controlled every election through MSM, television, music etc. This allowed them to lul everyone to sleep by singing about everyone having freedom of speech etc. To jews, as long as you don't have freedom of reach, they don't care. If you yell into the sky, they're fine with your speech because it doesn't hurt their power.

Now, with the rise in popularity of social media, they wanted to elect Hillary Clinton and everything worked according to plan. The only problem was that social media influenced everyone to elect Trump, kek magic.
For the first time in decades, they lost control of their democracy.

THIS is why they started censoring. Prior to that, your freedoms didn't stop or hurt their power in any way, so they allowed you to have them. Now, they have to be increasingly abusive with their power in order to keep it, because no one likes the jews.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And why are the former right doing this also? They are fighting against curbs to free speech and against censorship for saying the most abominably abhorrent things imaginable to people with differing or more progressive views. The right does embrace violence, hate, and overthrowing of America, and the left are the ones protecting kids and free speech and the government, as any moral body of people would. Yet the very conservatives who keep trying to frame liberals and progressives as child molesters, are the only ones who get convicted for molesting kids in actuality. So obviously the problem isn't with those of us on the left who care about other human beings more than we care about our own selfish needs and pocketbooks.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In what way are the right trying to overthrow America?

Conservatives literally want to stop things from changing. That's what it means.

[–]Kingdud 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The current left is very authoritarian. That's what you're seeing. Ron Paul woke up the libertarian spirit and idealism of the right. So the right has been pushing for more libertarian ideals (literally the opposite of authoritarianism) and the left has been pushing for more authoritarian policies because absolute power corrupts absolutely.

How do we fix it? Enforce anti-trust laws. Break up Amazon, Google, Facebook. Deregulate to the point that competition is possible, and when you do regulate, you do it from the standpoint of "The end product must be X, and the waste products can be no less than Y". Imagine you were regulating a bullet. The casing outer dimensions, pressure tolerance of the case, head spacing of the bullet would all be regulated. But there would be other specs that would NOT be regulated: materials used in the case/bullet. Maximum/minimum weight of the bullet. Maximum pressure generated by the bullet. Primer and flash hole design. Case wall thickness (who cares, as long as it can withstand the pressure). The market will decide whether the end result is viable or not.

The minute any business gets 'too big to fail' that is a sign that: 1) Your anti-trust regulations failed. 2) that business 100000% needs to fail!

[–]doginventer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Cloward-Piven Strategy- Reese report [4.00]

[–]stickdog 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The tribal talking points are now being sent to google translate.