This is what 12 months of hormone replacement therapy can do isn't it amazing

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not a very good model for the surgery that teens with gender dysphoria would be considering. Did you mean block the rat's puberty and supplement cross-sex hormones, then implant breasts/perform mastectomy?

I meant their whole lives (studying impact at each stage) starting from adolescence, which would include SRS (castration/spaying) at a later age. I don't see why the exact physical surgeries of SRS or mastectomy would need to be recreated outside of their hormonal impact, if that's what we want data on, so a genital reconstruction seems unnecessary, but removing the reproductive organs other than the genitals would elicit a comparable hormonal profile. Mastectomy/implants seems similarly unnecessary for the type of data I'm talking about. Also it sort of seems like a colossal waste of time to perfect the art of rat mastectomy/implants.

Again, I said "long-term effects on development", and most kids who start these treatments continue all the way down the path. But yes, it would also be good to see some studies where they stop all treatment in the rats' lives after puberty and some time on cross-sex hormones.

Yeah. As would we all. We are focused on having a greater proportion of them live through their teens.

Youth with gender dysphoria have been living through their teens fine until this point. They're known as gays and lesbians.

Gender affirmation is presenting as the other gender.

Again, you can "present as the other gender" without pretending you're the other sex. "Presenting as a butch dyke" is the same as "presenting as a boy/man". If parents won't allow their little boy to wear dresses or their little girl to wear boy's clothes and have short hair without a gender dysphoria diagnosis, that's a different problem.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I meant their whole lives (studying impact at each stage) starting from adolescence, which would include SRS (castration/spaying) at a later age.

That operation is prohibitively expensive for most Americans. A lot of trans people would rather have a house.

Youth with gender dysphoria have been living through their teens fine until this point. They're known as gays and lesbians.

No, you're quite wrong about that.

Where did you get that idea?

Again, you can "present as the other gender" without pretending you're the other sex.

That's right. But gender affirmation, including living as and presenting as the other sex does improve the well-being of people with gender dysphoria.

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That operation is prohibitively expensive for most Americans.

Good. It's the most horrific of any other transition procedure by far, with some studies reporting up to a 70% complication rate, and no studies reporting under 20%. You will most likely lose at least some sexual function (the antiandrogens MTFs take cause them to lose their sex drive anyway, many say this is a blessing after the surgery), and you can lose your ability to even urinate properly or die of a horrific infection.

No, you're quite wrong about that.

Where'd you get that idea? Your imagination? Gays and lesbians have gender dysphoria. Apparently this isn't common knowledge for straight people. You could try reading James Cantor's research. You know "trans brains?" The brains of all gays and dykes are "inverted" in that way. Yes, even when they're not transsexuals. You'll also notice that in heterosexual transsexuals, their brains do not show this inversion. And you'll also notice that the heterosexual transsexuals transition much later in life for a variety of reasons, and it's dykes and gays who have dysphoria since birth.

That's right. But gender affirmation, including living as and presenting as the other sex does improve the well-being of people with gender dysphoria.

Actually pretending inhibits their ability to accept their own bodies because it strengthens the association between sex and gender, causing gender dysphoria to be more severe and persist for longer.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

with some studies reporting up to a 70% complication rate, and no studies reporting under 20%.

That many?

What counts as a complication in these studies?

Gays and lesbians have gender dysphoria.

Not even close.

Homosexuals are about 3.5% of the population.

Transexuals less than 1/10th of that.

Actually pretending inhibits their ability to accept their own bodies because it strengthens the association between sex and gender, causing gender dysphoria to be more severe and persist for longer.

Source?