This is what 12 months of hormone replacement therapy can do isn't it amazing

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Being trans is not related to "Soon they will have permission to f*** your children."

Being christian is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Trans isn't real. There is a boundary violating political movement targeting children using sex asking us to believe that children can consent to experimental surgery. If children can consent to changing sex, they can consent to having sex. There are literally people trying to rebrand pedophilia as innate and something to pity the perv about. Why do you so deny that society is largely pushing sexual boundaries with children?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Trans isn't real.

What?

The American psychiatric association, which publishes the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, seem to think it exists.

What's your expertise?

There is a boundary violating political movement targeting children using sex asking us to believe that children can consent to experimental surgery.

Woah. You might need to lay off the cool aid there, dwo.

What "experimental surgery" are we talking about here?

If children can consent to changing sex, they can consent to having sex.

Sounds plausible, because both phrases involve the similar words like "consent to" and "sex". But if you think about it, the word "sex" isn't the same in those phrases. "Changing sex" is about gender and "having sex" is about the sex act. The reason that a child can't consent to sex is because it interferes with their psychological development around sex, and we know from experience this doesn't have good outcomes for the child.

The reason that a sufferer of gender dysphoria might want to dress as and present as the other gender is that it does have good outcomes for the child, where the diagnosis is correct.

There are literally people trying to rebrand pedophilia as innate and something to pity the perv about.

In psychology pedophillia is a paraphillic disorder. It is a technical use of the term, not a rebranding to discuss this separately from the act of child rape.

Importantly gender dysphoria is not pedophillia, and gender dysphoria is not related to child rape. People pushing that it is are generally conservative Christians looking for any abnormality to hate. Most people don't care if someone want to present as any gender. Ironically there is evidence that Christianity is related to child rape.

Why do you so deny that society is largely pushing sexual boundaries with children?

I'm not pushing anything of the sort. The OP was about a trans person. The claim that this has anything to do with sexual boundaries and children is christian hate.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The reason that a child can't consent to sex is because it interferes with their psychological development around sex

Psychological development aside, there isn't enough data to say how early transitioning affects children's physical development, so we can't truly understand the risks.

Surprisingly, they have not even tried rat studies in which they block the rat's puberty and supplement cross-sex hormones, then castrate/spay. I'd like to see some data about the neurological effects, along with the effects on the entire body (are they more prone to other diseases? are they cognitively affected?).

I did see a study where they had rats on lupron for their entire lives, but they studied only whether they were more likely to act more similarly to control rats of the same sex in certain situations.

An adulthood transition is much easier to stop or reverse. I don't understand why transitioning minors is the hill so many liberals want to die on.

The reason that a sufferer of gender dysphoria might want to dress as and present as the other gender is that it does have good outcomes for the child, where the diagnosis is correct.

And further, why can't a parent just let a kid dress masculine/feminine and get a masculine haircut or grow out their hair? How is that considered a step towards transitioning? Plenty of parents of butch dykes have been letting their kids do that and they end up well-adjusted. It's less common for parents to allow their male kids to do the same, but it would allow the child to feel more comfortable if they really want. It seems that "gender non-conformity" is only allowed in the context of transitioning now, and any "gender non-conformity" is considered the first step to transitioning.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Surprisingly, they have not even tried rat studies in which they block the rat's puberty and supplement cross-sex hormones, then castrate/spay.

Not a very good model for the surgery that teens with gender dysphoria would be considering. Did you mean block the rat's puberty and supplement cross-sex hormones, then implant breasts/perform mastectomy?

I'd like to see some data about the neurological effects, along with the effects on the entire body (are they more prone to other diseases? are they cognitively affected?).

Yeah. As would we all. We are focused on having a greater proportion of them live through their teens.

And further, why can't a parent just let a kid dress masculine/feminine and get a masculine haircut or grow out their hair? How is that considered a step towards transitioning?

Gender affirmation is presenting as the other gender.

Yeah, you can also present as a butch dyke, and there's not much difference until you have breasts.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not a very good model for the surgery that teens with gender dysphoria would be considering. Did you mean block the rat's puberty and supplement cross-sex hormones, then implant breasts/perform mastectomy?

I meant their whole lives (studying impact at each stage) starting from adolescence, which would include SRS (castration/spaying) at a later age. I don't see why the exact physical surgeries of SRS or mastectomy would need to be recreated outside of their hormonal impact, if that's what we want data on, so a genital reconstruction seems unnecessary, but removing the reproductive organs other than the genitals would elicit a comparable hormonal profile. Mastectomy/implants seems similarly unnecessary for the type of data I'm talking about. Also it sort of seems like a colossal waste of time to perfect the art of rat mastectomy/implants.

Again, I said "long-term effects on development", and most kids who start these treatments continue all the way down the path. But yes, it would also be good to see some studies where they stop all treatment in the rats' lives after puberty and some time on cross-sex hormones.

Yeah. As would we all. We are focused on having a greater proportion of them live through their teens.

Youth with gender dysphoria have been living through their teens fine until this point. They're known as gays and lesbians.

Gender affirmation is presenting as the other gender.

Again, you can "present as the other gender" without pretending you're the other sex. "Presenting as a butch dyke" is the same as "presenting as a boy/man". If parents won't allow their little boy to wear dresses or their little girl to wear boy's clothes and have short hair without a gender dysphoria diagnosis, that's a different problem.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I meant their whole lives (studying impact at each stage) starting from adolescence, which would include SRS (castration/spaying) at a later age.

That operation is prohibitively expensive for most Americans. A lot of trans people would rather have a house.

Youth with gender dysphoria have been living through their teens fine until this point. They're known as gays and lesbians.

No, you're quite wrong about that.

Where did you get that idea?

Again, you can "present as the other gender" without pretending you're the other sex.

That's right. But gender affirmation, including living as and presenting as the other sex does improve the well-being of people with gender dysphoria.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That operation is prohibitively expensive for most Americans.

Good. It's the most horrific of any other transition procedure by far, with some studies reporting up to a 70% complication rate, and no studies reporting under 20%. You will most likely lose at least some sexual function (the antiandrogens MTFs take cause them to lose their sex drive anyway, many say this is a blessing after the surgery), and you can lose your ability to even urinate properly or die of a horrific infection.

No, you're quite wrong about that.

Where'd you get that idea? Your imagination? Gays and lesbians have gender dysphoria. Apparently this isn't common knowledge for straight people. You could try reading James Cantor's research. You know "trans brains?" The brains of all gays and dykes are "inverted" in that way. Yes, even when they're not transsexuals. You'll also notice that in heterosexual transsexuals, their brains do not show this inversion. And you'll also notice that the heterosexual transsexuals transition much later in life for a variety of reasons, and it's dykes and gays who have dysphoria since birth.

That's right. But gender affirmation, including living as and presenting as the other sex does improve the well-being of people with gender dysphoria.

Actually pretending inhibits their ability to accept their own bodies because it strengthens the association between sex and gender, causing gender dysphoria to be more severe and persist for longer.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

with some studies reporting up to a 70% complication rate, and no studies reporting under 20%.

That many?

What counts as a complication in these studies?

Gays and lesbians have gender dysphoria.

Not even close.

Homosexuals are about 3.5% of the population.

Transexuals less than 1/10th of that.

Actually pretending inhibits their ability to accept their own bodies because it strengthens the association between sex and gender, causing gender dysphoria to be more severe and persist for longer.

Source?