E-cigarettes cause MORE lung inflammation than normal cigarettes, study finds — as experts warn vaping is causing 'unique' damage to users

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[–]1Icemonkey 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

No one knows what is in that vape liquid. I have a friend in his 60's who tokes one one of those things nonstop. It’s gotta be worse than cigs.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It’s gotta be worse than cigs.

I switched from cigarettes to vape, but am starting to think the same thing

[–]1Icemonkey 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I smoke like two cigs a day. I used to smoke over a pack a day, but years ago I began to not enjoy it anymore and just naturally cut way back. I’ve been going like this for over 15 years. I see people with the capes that can’t put it down. Idk man, maybe try the gum?

[–]masteroftheuniverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping

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    [–]1Icemonkey 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Cool, you make your own. Six million other dumbasses don’t do that, so it must be clear that I wasn’t referring to you even by proxy. JFC.

    [–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    It’s gotta be worse than cigs.

    Contents of cigarette smoke:

    • nicotine
    • carbon dioxide (harmless)
    • carbon monoxide
    • tar
    • about 5000 other toxic chemicals
    • including literal radioactive elements.

    Contents of e-cig "smoke":

    • nicotine
    • water vapour
    • maybe some flavouring.

    Who the fuck knows what the flavouring does. But apart from that, it is an extraordinary claim to say that e-cigs are "worse" than regular cigarettes. It goes against literally everything we know about smoking tobacco. Now maybe it's true, but you're gonna need some mighty convincing evidence to prove it.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Contents of e-cig "smoke":

    nicotine water vapour maybe some flavouring.

    You seem to have some misconceptions about the contents of ecig vapor. You are primarily vaping propylene glycol, sometimes mixed with vegetable glycerine, not water, in quantities that absolutely dwarf anything that has been tested, and when heated it forms methylglyoxal, which is very concerning. In addition, you have atomizers that perform the vaporization and are known to impart heavy metals into the vapor. There is also strong evidence that ecig vapor significantly reduces testosterone while cigarette smoke does not.

    Methylglyoxal from propylene glycol vapor

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33419122/

    Ecigs and testosterone

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7504689/

    E cigs and heavy metal

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7137911/

    It is VERY early in terms of the knowledge we have about the specific harms of e-cigarettes, plenty of things have been thought to be 'safe' or 'safer alternatives' that didn't out to be nearly as safe as we thought.

    [–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Hmm, well today I learned. Fair enough, and thank you.

    [–]1Icemonkey 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The flavoring (no “u”) is exactly what I’m concerned about. The process of deriving or manufacturing flavors is a huge concern as to the chemical residuals in both foods and vape. It can’t be good. I get there are six million chemicals in tobacco smoke but I guess what you’re saying is that those have been identified and we know the causes and results of those. Who is identifying the six million chemicals in vape juice and studying the long term effects of those? What will we see, new cancers? Third limbs?

    [–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The flavoring (no “u”)

    Sorry, I only read and write English.

    is exactly what I’m concerned about.

    Okay, fair enough, that's a reasonable point.