why do people become shills etc?

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Don't worry about it dude, most of it was irritation with Dragonerne when I was responding to you. I overreacted, you seem like a pretty reasonable person from our interactions, I apologize as well

[–]panel30[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't like seeing honest people fight on here, we have enough to deal with as it is. Heck I don't even like seeing dishonest people fight when it's not necessary. There are sometimes effective ways of handling problems that have less negative side effects.

Maybe it's not surprising things could get a little heated in a post about shilling etc. It's an important topic and important to be able to talk about. But maybe this is why I see people just post the guides and let people read them for themselves.

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I agree panel, the hostility is frustrating and makes saidit less enjoyable. Personally I am not really interested in arguing about ideologies and identity groups, as it usually ends in fighting and not being constructive. I really did not mean to trigger a degeneration of the conversation, I was actually trying to avoid it by leaving my own views out of it and talking about why anyone with any ideology might promote their views forcefully, and be called a 'shill'.

Personally, I'm not sure why there would be any real paid shills on Saidit, this site maybe has 100 regular users total, and most of them don't change their minds easily, which is why 90% of this site is here, because reddit banned them for views plenty of people tried to talk them out of. Reddit, Twitter and the like are better places for shills to be effective and reach a large audience of easily swayed people. If someone is getting paid to post shit here, they are really wasting their money.

Personally, I think most people here, me included, strongly believe a lot of things (I wont use that one term again, lol, unintended interpretation), thats what got many of us removed from reddit.

[–]panel30[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I really did not mean to trigger a degeneration of the conversation, I was actually trying to avoid it by leaving my own views out of it and talking about why anyone with any ideology might promote their views forcefully, and be called a 'shill'.

Oh. That's nice to know.

this site maybe has 100 regular users total, and most of them don't change their minds easily, which is why 90% of this site is here, because reddit banned them for views plenty of people tried to talk them out of.

huh, fair point. I hadn't recognized that but it makes sense.

Personally, I'm not sure why there would be any real paid shills on Saidit

yeah. I'm not sure what I would expect, I don't know whether it would be surprising or not to see someone on here. There are definitely unambiguous spammers though, even with a small audience, so that's something. I'm not sure where which kinds tend to go.

It's ok to use whatever language is natural for you, I didn't mean to say you can't use "true believer"! Please don't feel like you need to censor yourself. It can have an anti-Christian connotation to some, so if that wasn't intended yeah I guess maybe a different way of putting it can be useful, but I don't want to start language and opinion policing on saidit. It's ok to have different perspectives on something.

I feel a little bad for trying to convince people of stuff in that way in the past. It's good to recognize when things are important, I'm grateful for all the people who've worked so hard re protecting free speech etc, for example. I'm glad there are other people on a site like this who are contributing to the space where people can discuss more freely. I just think maybe it wasn't great of me to push it on people, and for making it about "us" vs "them" kinda. Or about how I'm right. Sometimes it's felt good to me to just try to win a little fight, but, I don't really think that's productive. Back when I was on saidit before I did a lot of that and I'm sad now to have spread that around. I don't know quite how to clean it up if I did contribute to a negative atmosphere, though I've tried to some. Maybe that's part of why this topic interests me right now in a more broad sense than literal paid shills. I guess maybe I hope I can recognize that something is important or true without making it like that.

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Maybe that's part of why this topic interests me right now in a more broad sense than literal paid shills. I guess maybe I hope I can recognize that something is important or true without making it like that.

I agree with you here. I came to the same conclusion for maybe different reasons. For me it was I used to consider to myself a 'liberal' until all this vaccine and censorship stuff. I realized that individual issues were what was important to me rather than being on the 'right' or 'left' side, as the left abandoned these values, and some on the 'right' started promoting these values.