All the violence in the media/entertainment is NOT good for us and is 'feeding the beast' so to speak. Watch Tomorrowland to fully understand what's going on here. The Time Traveler guy was right but his plan backfired sadly.

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We are feeding the beast by craving into it . Watch the Tomorrowland movie it goes into this concept very deep but it requires watching it twice to fully understand due to it's fast paced making the good points be poorly explained but once you get it it's like AHA!! And connecting it with what humanity is going thru now it's easy to see where things are headed.

Besides Colossus Forbin Project Tomorrowland had hit the nail right in the head but the beginning focuses too much on the robot girl that it muddles the end message sadly. :(

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[–]LuchoSun 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

People are sadly being brainwashed into accepting the worst kinds of violence, yes.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Looking at the Game Awards most of the games all look like the same game. Just mindlessly blowing people up and watching heads explode with slightly different artwork. It's like they can't or won't take any risks to do anything different and even the Indie scene is prone to this but with shittier graphics and often 'Early Access' meaning we MIGHT fix the bugs someday but PLEASE PAY US!!!!

There literally is a game about heads exploding which says so in the title: like that's the values we need to install in mankind when we already have mankind acting shitty in many parts of the world and in the middle east people are being shot at daily and wonder if they will have a roof over their heads tonight yet here in the west we glorify in watching people get beat up/shot,etc. If you ever have to go thru it even ONCE I can guarantee you won't want to ever see it again.

Let's throw accelerants to the fire and see if that puts it out!

[–]Alan_Crowe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I fell down a rabbit hole, trying to discover the message of the Tomorrowland movie, without having to watch all one and three quarter hours, and without having to pay for it. Movie Shortens, reviews, trailers; the story seems to go like this:

There's this place, Tomorrow Land. Earth in the future? Some-where else in this universe? In a little bubble universe budded off from our universe? The story in a little incoherent, but this doesn't matter.

They have a viewer, that lets them view Earth's future. Earth's future is bad. Bad due to human action and inaction. So they send messages to today's Earth about Earth's grim future. That is supposed to encourage people to do the right things and thus change the future for the better.

Mysteriously, things keep getting worse. The cinema goer may infer that the gadget in the film, that the people in the movie think is sending a warning message, is actually doing something else. It is demoralizing and subverting the recipients in the movie. They work less hard to make a good future.

As the future revealed in the gadget that sees the future gets worse, the people in Tomorrow Land get desperate, sending ever more urgent warnings. Unaware they they are actually sending self-fulfilling prophecies in a tightening cycle of doom.

This leads to a second ambiguity in the movie. Is there a super-natural element in which the message gives people bad beliefs which directly affect reality? Is it supposed to be naturalistic, with the message giving people bad beliefs which leads to foolish behaviour which in turn affects reality. Do beliefs always have to be mediated through actions to affect reality? Yes, and it is important to stick to this "chain" aspect of casual chains. But the movie has doom shrinking to just 90 days away, which is rather supernatural That is flaw in the movie. I'll put the flaw down to "That it how it is done in Hollywood.".

I think core message of the movie is: There is an ambiguity between messages that warn and messages that demoralize and become self-fulfilling prophecies of the thing they warn against.

Example: A violent movie, such as Roller Ball, that the writers intended as a warning against "bread and circuses", (especially as a warning against the "circus" becoming ever more degrading and violent) ends up as part of the spectacle. It becomes the path to even worse spectacles, The writers wanted us to turn back from that path, not to hasten us along it :-(

Example: We need to be careful with technology, nuclear power plants can blow up, industrialization will concrete over nature. So England responds to Global Warming by failing to build nuclear power plants and by banning on shore windfarms (to protect rural England). By being too careful, we get too many problems to juggle and drop some. Being too care about technology makes us careless :-(

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actually the main guy what he did was he pumped the media full of violence in order to get people to be sick of it to avert the future he came from but instead it did the opposite effect making people GO towards it even more! Every tactic he tried failed to advert that 99 percent. The problem with Tomorrowland was the editing was done so horrible as it flipped back and forth between people so fast almost nobody really followed it. Most reviewers pretty much only remember the weird sexy robot because of how bad the editing is.

Most of the good parts didn't come till about halfway thru when the agents broke into the guy's house.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the funny thing about Tomorrowland is they call out on their own media all thru the movie. Yet do the same things themselves!

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Haven't seen it. But yeah a lot of American stuff has a very big focus on gore and violence. At some point watching, say, family guy and they put in yet another gag where they sort of off-hand kill some people I started getting uncomfortable. The shock value wasn't even part of it anymore, it was just some throwaway. Rick&Morty similar in later seasons; the effect has worn off, now its just a thing we do-it used to be portrayed as somewhat traumatic. And don't get me started on police investigation shows. There's the famous anecdote about the shooting of the Hannibal TV series, where there's this murder tableau of two partly skinned naked bodies; they got notes that their naked butts could be seen as offensive and had to cover them up with blood. Boggles the mind. Good show though.

It's weird. Part of me thinks it's a way to desensitise us to govt violence/war crimes, part thinks it's what sells.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In the Bush era (2003) all the fantasy films were mostly about how to pump out enough CGI and gross looking creatures. Even if the story setting is beautiful they ruin it with these weird gross looking creatures that all kinda look alike after a while. You can eventually tell which engine they are using then it all starts to look the same. I miss live actors like in the Technicolor era where they actually had to take time to film. The 'night filter' was the most fake thing usually done and it was actually pretty good for what they had but didn't need no monster crap.

[–]Newzok 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sorta yeah. I noticed muh democracy being a thing that somehow made its way into films. First that comes to mind is that drab Ridley Scott Robin Hood movie, where he suddenly up and lectures the villagers that democracy good tyrants bad.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Pretty much all of the movies/games feel like subconscious training manuals priming us for a future date so when they tell us to jump we only ask 'How high?'.

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah... I remember being blissfully unaware that so much of Hollywood output is propaganda. 'member Jack Bauer fighting le evil middle Eastern terrorists in 24? It did not connect with 14 year old me that it was selling me the war on terror.